Talk:Megan Fox

Someone put this in the page its true

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1645154/20100805/eminem.jhtml

it shows how she was in Eminem's "Love the Way You Lie" music video.

Transformer PC stunt

Is it a coincidence that Fox and her love interest - the lead actor with an unpronounceable name - in the first transformers movies should both be part "Native American". Was the producer trying to send some PC message?

Personal life in the lead, and fear of flying

I reverted this edit by Till I Go Home. As I stated in my edit summary: Personal life goes in the lead of various [GA and FA] articles, such as Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. There being a section for it makes no difference. The lead is supposed to summarize articles, per WP:LEAD.

In what way is it standard practice that personal life information not be in the lead of WP:BIOGRAPHIES? I have not seen that. The two examples I gave above are both featured articles, and designing those leads to include personal life information was thoroughly approved.

Further, regarding this edit by Till I Go Home, I am not seeing how it was unsourced and WP:OR before the revision. The source backs up exactly what the text said. If anything, it is more OR now because it says she "had" a fear of flying, as though she is now over it. We should not give the implication that this is something she has gotten over if the source does not make that clear. Flyer22 (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the fear of flying source, the "she said she developed this about the time she turned 20" was not backed up by the current source, so I suppose that is what Till I Go Home meant by "unsourced," but that part used to be backed up by an additional source. It was likely removed due to having become a dead link (I'm guessing there), although dead links typically shouldn't be removed without much effort to find a replacement...per WP:DEADLINK. Flyer22 (talk) 21:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

• Hello Flyer22. Please keep in mind that the lead section should establish notability of the topic. Fox is notable for her film roles and sex symbol status, but not so much on her personal life. Regarding your claim statement that other GA and FA articles have leads which include the addition of personal life (Pitt and Jolie), they are very notable for their high-profile relationships. Their personal life has attracted significant publicity which is why the lead mentions this. On the other hand, Leonardo DiCaprio has dated actresses such as Blake Lively, although this is not mentioned in the lead because it does not establish his notability. The same situation goes for Tina Fey who is married to Jeff Richmond. Till I Go Home (talk) 00:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Regarding your complaint that Fox's fear of flying is OR, she in fact HAS overcome the fear. [1] That said, I have added the reference to the claim. Till I Go Home (talk) 01:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

As I stated on my talk page: Thank you for explaining your edits, and I see your point about the Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie articles. Not a claim, as you can see. And though I have seen other Wikipedia biography articles include personal life information in their leads without there being any kind of opinion on removing it, it is no doubt that, in some of these cases, it is because those things are notable or are aspects of the person's life that have been significantly discussed in reliable sources. For example, Leonardo DiCaprio's environmentalism is not only a part of his personal life but has also received significant praise.

I will not challenge you on this any further, although I still do believe that a person's personal life should be summarized in the lead in some form...seeing as I feel that leads should adequately summarize a topic.

Oh, and thanks for taking care of the fear of flying issue as well. Flyer22 (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Till, looking at the source you added, it doesn't really say that she has overcome a fear of flying. It says "From Megan Fox's cure for a fear of flying," but that is the author's statement and (like I said) doesn't state that she has overcome it. It only includes the quote where Fox says that she deals with her fear of flying by listening to Britney Spears songs. It's more like a temporary cure. But at least the source backs the "she said she developed this about the time she turned 20" part that was included before. Flyer22 (talk) 02:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I've added another source which states she has overcome it. Till I Go Home (talk) 02:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Till, I hate to be a pest, but it's saying the same thing. Yes, the title of the source says "Megan Fox gets over flying fears thanks to Britney," but it's clear that it means "temporarily." It says "The 23-year-old developed aerophobia in the past few years but she insists that listening to the 'Toxic' hitmaker’s tunes during flights eases her fears, reports contactmusic.com." Fox even says, "I know for a fact it’s not in my destiny to die listening to a Britney Spears album, so I always put that on in my (headphones) when I’m flying because I know it won’t crash if I’ve got Britney on." That means she still listens to Britney Spears songs when flying; it's not a past tense thing. It's something she still does. That's how she gets over the fear every time she flies. Flyer22 (talk) 02:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I changed the text to this for accuracy. Flyer22 (talk) 03:31, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Lead Image

The current lead image on this article appears like she is choking on a baseball or something. I suppose that there should be a discussion on whether it should be changed or not, although the images in the Commons don't appear as good, where the only decent ones are from half a decade ago.

• File:MeganFoxSept10TIFF.jpg, taken in 201,0 is a former lead image although the quality of the image is less than desirable but the expression is much better than the current lead image.

• File:Megan Fox by Simon Davison.jpg, taken in 2008, has good quality although has an awkward pose and is a bit older.

• File:Megan Fox promoting Transformers in Paris.jpg, taken in 2009, has good quality and a good pose, as does File:Megan Fox promoting Transformers in Paris 4.jpg (although the second one needs a crop).

• File:Megan Fox Jennifers Body TIFF09 cropped.jpg, also from 2009, has high quality and a decent pose.

Any other suggestions and comments are welcome.

Thanks, --GouramiWatcher ^(Gulp) 22:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Gourami Watcher. Thanks for bringing this to the talk page after I reverted and suggested such a talk page discussion. As you know, I don't like the first image you have listed (which was the lead image before the current one). Too much makeup piled on, combined with the lighting, in a way that she looks older and not much like herself. As for the second image you have listed, it should be cropped so that it focuses on Fox only. The other two (excluding File:Megan Fox promoting Transformers in Paris 4.jpg) have been lead images at one point, but were replaced in light of a new image. Like I stated in my edit summary, we typically go with the most recent image for the infobox. If we use a 2008, 2009 or even a 2010 image, someone is likely to replace it with a newer image. The only reason we are even using the 2011 image is obviously because we don't have a free image of her from this year. That said, if we have WP:CONSENSUS for one of the older images, editors would need to defer to that consensus unless new consensus is formed. And you certainly are not the first to object to using the most recent image, upon feeling that it is not best. Back in 2010, I objected to a newer image as well. See Talk:Megan Fox/Archive 1#The new image. So since you don't like the current image and I don't like the one you chose to replace it with, I am more than willing to compromise with you by using one of the older images. Which of the older ones, obviously excluding the one I object to, do you prefer? Flyer22 (talk) 01:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

My favorite is "File:Megan Fox promoting Transformers in Paris.jpg" I suppose. Thanks for your reply! --GouramiWatcher ^(Gulp) 02:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I've always liked that one as well. I'm fine with you going ahead and changing the main image to that. If anyone objects, they can of course make their case against it in this section. Flyer22 (talk) 17:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Alright! The image has been changed.--GouramiWatcher ^(Gulp) 02:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Pregnant

The personal life section cites that while Fox and Green have not confirmed the pregnancy, they have been "photographed". Technically, Fox is indeed pregnant although no further details were available. I think the section should be rewritten to say that she was clearly photographed and is pregnant. Fox either is or isn't; it would appear from these sources 1 and 2 and 3 she is. Spelling Style (talk) 20:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

The thing is...this is a WP:BLP article and such articles are edited with more care than our other articles when it comes to sourcing or otherwise. We shouldn't definitively state that Fox is pregnant unless Fox or Green or their "camps" have confirmed it. That section used to state that she is, but was rightly changed by an editor to make it clear that while photographs show that she is, it hasn't been confirmed by Fox or Green. Flyer22 (talk) 16:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Error in article -- it's not "After departing the Transformers franchise"

What does it take to get an error fixed in this article? Under this IP, I asked four editors to revert this edit because Fox hadn't been fired from the franchise yet, as sources in the article show. All it takes is a checking of the sources. Like I told Mbinebri, with regard to being referred here, why should I [bring this here] to propose that this error be reverted when editors who watch and/or have reverted on the article won't correct this bit of information? Fox had not been fired from the Transformers franchise at the time that she was filming Jennifer's Body or during its release, so it's not like she departed from the Transfomers franchise first and then started working on Jennifer's Body. Fox was fired from the Transfomers franchise in 2010, one year after Jenniifer's Body.

Look at this line from the article: Bay similarly amended his previous statements of support of Fox, and told GQ in June that Fox was fired on orders of executive producer Steven Spielberg.

That may be where the editor who added "After departing the Transformers franchise" got confused; it even confused me. It needs to be clarified that this statement was made in the July 2011 issue of GQ, or should at least state "June, 2011," so that readers don't think we mean June 2009. And the source's accessdate needs to be corrected; not sure why it says "(2009-10-13)." I also corrected the date for the same reference at the Transformers: Dark of the Moon article.[2] 94.76.201.77 (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)