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Nomination of Danielle Frye for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Danielle Frye is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danielle Frye until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Ho (talk • contribs) 09:39, 4 January 2012‎ (UTC)

James Bond AFD Discussions

Just so everyone is aware, there are three James Bond-related articles are up for AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plenty O'Toole, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agent Strawberry Fields and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General Grubozaboyschikov. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move Layton

Hello,

feel free to voice your opinion on this page. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 20:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Greatest roles of all time lists

Are there lists like say an AFI list of the 100 greatest roles of all time or The Broadway League list of the greatest roles of all-time. I don't think I would be overstating it to say that the new article I am creating for Willy Loman is an article for one of dramatic arts' greatest all-time roles, but I don't know how to state it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Rather than assess that based on a list or ranking, I'd be tempted to look for both literary criticism of Death of a Salesman as a piece of writing, and theatrical criticism of it as a stage play (try The Guardian for the latter, maybe). Given the piece's importance and legacy I'd be highly surprised if you were unable to directly ascribe a quote along the lines of "greatest role/character" to someone. GRAPPLE X 03:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Filmsite has a list of possibly relevant links at http://www.filmsite.org/100characters.html and also a feature on "definitive screen roles" at http://www.filmsite.org/grroles1.html. Hope this helps. Betty Logan (talk) 05:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

British stage, film and television database help

I'm still trying to create the Willy Loman article. If you know anything that might be analogous to www.IBDb.com for West End theatre please chime in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Theatre#West_End_theatre_database. Also, looking for BAFTA data.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Damaging rewrites?

I'm concerned about these edits - the user seems to be completely rewriting large chunks of numerous articles, often eradicating references, eg. There are also potential WP:TONE problems. Can someone look into this? (It looks extensive, and I have no experience in this topic area). Thanks. —Quiddity (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• If the rewrites are damaging the articles, I'd bring it up to the RS noticeboard too, so the user can receive training on how to not do it WhisperToMe (talk) 03:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

  Will do, thanks. —Quiddity (talk) 19:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Son Goku naming

Hi! In light of the naming dispute involving Son Goku of Dragon Ball, I did some searches for English RSes that mention the full name Son Goku. I found quite a few: Talk:Goku#Reliable_sources_in_English_using_.22Son_Goku.22 WhisperToMe (talk) 03:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Huge backlog

Hello project,

you may know it or not, but there is a huge backlog at WP:GAN. The oldest unreviewed articles are from the early May, most of which are film and TV characters. Any help in clearing the backlog is appreciated. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 11:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Brenda Leigh Johnson

Brenda Leigh Johnson

I am having a hard time describing my frustration at this situation with the article Brenda Leigh Johnson. It is completely unthinkable that a fairly complete article has been constructed by many editors, and at no point anywhere in the article does it mention her most notable characteristic, the fact that the character lies and manipulates as a method of getting confessions. It is basically, like having an article about MacGyver, and at no point mentioning that he is resourceful. She does it in every single episode without exception, just like MacGyver is resourceful in every one of his episodes. The situation really is on that level, not a borderline case at all. The problem I have is that it is so obvious, that it isn't really mentioned or documented in any promotional literature about the show. The show isn't sufficiently significant that there is a lot of literature about it. For instance not as significant as Peanuts is, that there is sufficient literature out there that would conspicuously state that "Charlie Brown is a loser." The fact that Charlie Brown is a loser, and MacGyver is resourceful is obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about these characters. I am dealing with an editor who insists on removing these facts about Brenda. She claims that I am pushing a POV, and my claim is that attempting to omit this obvious fact, is her pushing a point of view. Please consider, there are plenty of cop shows out there, and plenty of interrogations. However, only once in a while do you see the cops engage in overt deception or manipulation. Brenda does it every single time without fail, in every episode, and her lying and manipulating spills over into her personal and professional relations too. She has lied and manipulated every single other character on the show at one time or another. Basically, I am dealing with someone who has completely missed the whole point, and when it is pointed out to her, she still doesn't see it. This situation is insane. Greg Bard (talk) 20:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Sarah Kerrigan

Sarah Kerrigan, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (characters)

Found this, it's written by a single user, and doesn't seem to have input from any other users. Does this conform to this project's general expectations, or should it be userfied? There doesn't seem to have been discussion going into its creation, since I see no links incoming from any discussion area. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 12:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Well... it is tagged as an essay, and most of those exist in "Wikipedia" space. And hopefully it isn't being used as a guideline.

That said... I can understand where this is coming from: The article title should not be used to spell out minutia to please fans. Nor should the lead for that matter. The name used should be the most common one used in referencing the character in a real world context, not what would assumed to be used in an in-story bio.

- J Greb (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

It does use the naming convention found for guidelines, instead of Wikipedia:Naming character articles or somesuch that doesn't make it look like it's a guideline. (There's also the objection on the talk page to the essay's very existence) -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 14:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

New sister project proposal

Hi, you may want to see this proposal for new project based on fiction. --213.155.255.148 (talk) 19:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)