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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Xvon (talk | contribs) at 22:54, 29 November 2012. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

The old part of my talk page was moved to User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archive 1 , User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archive 2 and User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archive 3

Category:Steampunk music

Category:Steampunk music was nominated for deletion at WP:CFD October 4, and the discusison was closed by me as "delete".

Following further discussion with interested editors, I have re-listed the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 14#Category:Steampunk_music, where your comments will be welcome.

This notice is being sent to all the editors who participated in the original discussion, and also to those who posted on my talk page aboutr the closure. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Continued disruptive edits

Your continued disruptive edits of articles and categories has no excuse. You continue to try to change things to fit your notions of what should be so, prior to obtaining category change approvals is not inaccordance with acceptable editing behavior in WP. You should stop and revert your edits. Hmains (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have plenty of clue as to what this is about, and you do, too. Indeed Your recent editing history at pages such as Dragging Canoe, Old Tassel and Oconostota shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. As you know, being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. You have more-than-ample opportunity to make your point at the myriad WP:CFD discussions you have started, including New York colonial people and Tennessee colonial people; if your point is valid, you should be able to convince the rest of us there. Edit warring -- and risking a block -- to enforce your views is not a path to consensus. --Orlady (talk) 13:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Validness of points does not require to convince everybody. What are Colonial people? ChemTerm (talk) 21:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    My concern is the edit warring. Not to subjectively assess certain edits. Your question is better placed on that article's talk page to start a discussion on it. - jc37 23:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's unfair to only accuse one side and not User_talk:Orlady, User:Hmains, the latter inviting the former to the "war". [1] ChemTerm (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    FWIW, I had already reverted one of JPL's removals of the "Tennessee colonial people" category and commented on several of the associated CFDs before Hmains commented on my talk page. The effect of Hmains' comment on my talk page was to alert me to the fact that JPL had also removed a number of other articles from the "Tennessee colonial people" category. I had intended to look for other removals on JPL's contribution history, but at the time of Hmains' message, I hadn't done that because I was busy reading and reacting to the profusion of CFDs.
Further to that comment, the revert that I did was at Henry Timberlake. Timberlake produced an early map of part of Tennessee and wrote accounts of the Overhill Cherokee villages that are important ethnographically and were useful in modern archaeology. JPL was asserting that the article about him does not belong in historical categories for Tennessee because the area he visited wasn't legally identified as Tennessee at the time of his visit. If his ideas about category structure necessarily mean that somebody who made one of the earliest map of a place can't be listed in a category for that place, that is a strong indication that his ideas are not supportive of the well-being of Wikipedia. --Orlady (talk) 06:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, OK. I hope a good solution can be found for these "colonial people" categories. ChemTerm (talk) 12:13, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no deadline

In looking over all of the above, it seems to me that there has been little to no talk page usage to discuss these changes to try to find consensus.

At this point, I strongly suggest that you all avail yourselves of the talk pages and CFD discussions in question and stop with the edit warring.

Please consider this warning: If it continues, sanction, such as blocks, may result. - jc37 21:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Withdrawn: [2] ChemTerm (talk) 12:14, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Related is Talk:Berlin_Conference#Requested_move ChemTerm (talk) 20:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American people of African-American descent

Category:American people of African-American descent, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. pbp 21:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American Girl authors

I think you're misunderstanding the category's intent. "American Girl" in this case refers to the American Girl franchise, not authors that write girls' books. Still, we don't categorize authors by franchise. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:41, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Male actors by nationality

Category:Male actors by nationality, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2012_November_15#Category:New_York_colonial_people

At Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_15#Category:New_York_colonial_people if you change to lower case "colonial" there would be a majority for you original proposal. At least then there is a clear "People of/from someterritorialentity"-form. ChemTerm (talk) 17:51, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category Ownership

I am a bit disturbed at the level of commenting you've made in various CfDs lately. In a number of them, you've commented a great number of times (oftentimes using the bold Comment form when indenting a response would be more appropriate), often saying the same point over and over. I did some checking and discovered you've made over 500 comments to CfD discussions just this month, and the month isn't over yet. I also did some checking and notice several talk page threads that indicate that you've added or removed categories based on your own personal opinion. This seems to smack of an attempt at OWNership of the category space. I would strongly advise you to voluntarily lay off categorizing articles and participating in CfD discussions for awhile. If not, you might find yourself unable to edit pbp 01:01, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

people of mixed race category issue

hi i just wanted to let you know that a user named purplebackpack has removed 2 contributions i just made for people of mixed ethnicity. can you help out or let me know what to do on this as i am new to wikipedia and this person seems to have an agenda. thanks. Xvon (talk) 02:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the CfD has played out, consider past consensuses and category diffusions, and not ask another person to help you edit war would be a start pbp 02:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

just responded, get back to me thanks Xvon (talk) 02:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I really think there is a good reason to not descibe many of these people as "African-American" but of Afrcian-American descent. I still think the examples of Category:French Armenians and Category:French people of Armenian descent give us a precedent for this. However, it is not clear anyone else is going to accept this. I would agree that there has been a lot of attempts to empty the category before bothering to nominate it. I am not sure the best way to deal with this, because it seems some people take exception to people trying to discuss things at "categories for discussion".John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

another user just removed alicia keys from the proper descent cat. can you please help out on this since i'm fairly new to wikipedia and i feel like i'm under attack or something here. i keep gettimng threatened wih a "block" even though i'm doing nothing wrong. thanks again Xvon (talk) 03:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]


another question for you, when exactly will the presence of this category be justified so that the proper people can remain/be added to it? Xvon (talk) 03:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • The question will largely depend on the outcome of the CfD. CfDs run at least 7 days, and some run much longer. I cannot tell you what the outcome of the CfD will be. There is a chance that it will determine to merge the category elsewhere. There is a possibility that a new name will be adopted. There is also a possibility that it will remain as is. I can not give a firmer answer than that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

just want to ask how the ultimate decision will be made regarding this issue? does it depend solely on the "votes" on the CFD page, or are there other factors that are used to decide whether the category stays, goes, or gets modified? also wanted to ask you since this category currently exists is it proper to still place people into it? please get back to me, thanks. Xvon (talk) 13:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • i don't mean to badger you but how exactly is the concensus reached? also can you please answer my question about placing people into the category while it is still CFD? Xvon (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
could you please answer the above 2 questions so i can understand what's going on a little bit better? also just responded to your recent comment on the alicia keys talkpage re the disputed cat. Xvon (talk) 03:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American people of Pennsylvania Dutch descent

Category:American people of Pennsylvania Dutch descent, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. pbp 17:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Country subdivisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2012_November_14&diff=524742516&oldid=524694723

There is a reason why the tree is called "Category:Country subdivisions". ChemTerm (talk) 03:36, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anglican saints

Please note that according to the text in Category:Anglican saints, one needn't be an Anglican to be included. I've therefore removed this category from Category:Anglicans.--JFHutson (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Old Testament saints

I am reverting a whole bunch of your changes where you removed the proper denominational categories from saints. Please do not make mass changes without consensus. A discussion on the proper WikiProject talk page would be in order for these. Elizium23 (talk) 05:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A recent CfD comment

Hi, could you please review my latest comment at the CfD discussion here. I rather think that either those who are commenting are missing the point of my nomination or I am massively misunderstanding what they mean when they say "Rename". Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Johnpacklambert. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_28#Category:Republic_of_the_Congo_people.
Message added 20:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand

Regarding the proposed renaming of all these "people" categories, I do not understand why you are making proposals that contradict the relevant naming conventions. Are you trying to revise the naming conventions? If so, why are you going about it via piecemeal nominations? If you want to change the convention, I think it would make sense to have a discussion about changing the convention, but that's not how you're approaching it. Don't the naming conventions count for anything in your book? Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey—if you want to bring up issues of rudeness, how about responding to my question here? Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CFD note

I'm not sure if you're ignoring my posts here (see section above), so apologies if this doesn't register with you by posting it here, but note that I have closed this discussion, for the reasons stated. The previous discussion was just barely closed hours ago. Typically users wait a few months before proposing the identical thing again after it has been rejected in a discussion. The time may generally be shorted if the result is "no consensus". Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am not making the same proposal. The last one had colonies captalized, this one does not. That is a major difference.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think it is different enough. Obviously, the category would not have been renamed to Category:People of Colonies had the proposal been accepted. The closer would have noted the change in your nomination to fix the capitalization, and even if you had not made that statement, the closer probably would have caught it. The discussion did not focus on the capitalization issue and from my reading that is not the reason those opposed to the rename rejected the suggestion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • We could ask another admin to review my administrative closure, if you wish. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • The whole thing seems heavy handed to me. Lots of people seem to like the colonies without capitalization and object very heavily to the capitalization. You have no evidence it would not pass without capitalization. The fact that as I pointed out most of the contents use people of x colonies should hold some value in the discussion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • It's just that I don't think the capitalization issue was even on the commenters' radars one way or the other. No one mentioned it. Any good admin would have changed it to Category:People of colonies if it was implemented. The discussion was about the substance of the proposal, not this detail of the typography. I have asked User:Vegaswikian to review what I did, and I will accept his opinion on it either way. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • You have obviously not read enough of the similar discussions of other colony related articles. Some of the people, including one involved in this discussion, have vehemently opposed the capitalized Colony and supported the lowercase "x people of colonial Y" form. It is very clear that the capitalization is on people's radar.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Yes, of course the "colonies" would have been de-capitalized if the proposal was implemented. That's a naming convention and a no-brainer issue. As I said, any good admin would have fixed that if it were implemented, whether or not it was raised in the discussion. The point is that it was not the focus of the discussion: ie, the users opposed your proposal on substantive grounds, not the grounds that the proposal was mis-capitalized. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
                • That may be so, but that has not kept one of the editors involved from denouncing vehemently a proposal and then a little latter supporting it when the capitalization has changed. Anyway, there were only three editors involved in the whole discussion, and then another totally different editor came along and supported the revised proposal before you closed it, so I do not think you can claim there is any consensus against the proposed change.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New nom

As merely a fellow Wikipedian, GO, would you be opposed to a new nom on this? I think that there is more that could be discussed on this, though not necessarily the points JPL is making above. If neither of you oppose, I'll start a new nomination. - jc37 22:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not oppose a new nomination for the category per se; it's just that I do not think the same proposal should be immediately made. I don't see a consensus for the current name in the previous discussion; but I do see a consensus that the proposed name should not be implemented. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American people of African-American descent

JPL just have 2 questions regarding this cat. first, when will the category be gone for good 'cuz right now it is still up. second, what exactly is the difference between "merge" and "delete" when it comes to categories on wikipedia? e.g. if this category had been deleted instead of merged what would happen? thanks so much and please get back to me. Xvon (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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