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Sorry For My Harsh Words

Hey Orangemike, really sorry for my harsh words.

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Nomination of Jill Kenton for deletion

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Bluford Series Deletion

I appreciate hearing criteria for impartiality, but there is a gray area here. These words HAVE been said by "objective" parties such as the ALA (American Library Association) and the Journal for Adolescent and Adult Literacy (JAAL), and the books have sold over 9 million copies, so there is something to the idea that they are popular! Links to these authorities were in the deleted page. I can edit to address your concerns, but what was on that page is what others--not me--have been saying.

Also, the content of those pages took a while to compile and does not exist anywhere else except on Wikipedia. While I certainly can edit to add reference and more objective or third party language, I would like to get back the content as a baseline from which to start editing. Is that possible?

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In re Question of Identity

The self-same corvid. Also recently started blogging! Hi, Mike! — Raven (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Neutral point of view

I didn't violate npov, talk pages are not articles BigPimpinBrah (talk) 03:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

"Editors making disruptive edits may be blocked temporarily from editing the encyclopedia, or subject to other administrative remedies, according to standards that may be higher than elsewhere on Wikipedia. Please see Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation for full information and to review the decision." --Orange Mike | Talk 03:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:REFUND

I was just browsing the WP:REFUND archives, and came across Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 83#R204DESIGN, which you closed as "not done." Please be aware that AfDs with little or no participation should be treated as PRODs for this purpose, especially considering that the AfD closer specifically mentioned that this was a "soft deletion." Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 13:18, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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Question about Connor lane

I have put this article Connor lane up for BLP Prod, can you take a look to see if that was the right action? Or should I have maybe put it under WP:CSD#A7 as non-notable person? As it could fall under either of those guidelines. Thank you, --Clarkcj12 (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

As well I can't find any references regarding that person, by the way the user that created the article was Woolley555. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

It was a hoax, and was speedily deleted as such. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

William T. Green

Hi-I thought you might be interested in this article about William T. Green. He was the first African-American lawyer to practice law in Milwaukee. He died in 1910 and I am trying to track down Wisconsin Bar Association proceedings if the Wisconsin Bar pay respects to William Green when he died. Wisconsin Bar Association do help when you are researching a person who served in the Wisconsin Legislature and practiced law. Thank you-RFD (talk) 20:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Userpage advice

Mike, in the wake of our "that Raven?" exchange, I've written myself an actual userpage to answer that question from others... but with substantial misgivings, and I'd appreciate your advice as (1) an experienced Wikipedian (2) who knows me, and will take into account I left that page only one line long for six years. I dislike boasting; I detest braggarts; and the whole Essjay affair ought to have left everyone permanently wary of claimed expertise, especially as argument ammo. I've never brought up such things in arguments, only pointed to resources and asked people to go look for themselves (e.g. in Talk:Theban alphabet). To say, now, "Yes, I'm that Raven, the one who did that and that, and that over there, and yes, that too, and yes, who'd have guessed it, the same Raven who did that...." could easily sound as much like a brag as a statement of identity or background or interests. And all the past years I've spent not mentioning such things won't be applied to my credit, once I do mention them. Or so I worry. Please look, reassure me, or suggest improvements in approach. Thanks! — Raven (talk) 22:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Your userpage looks most exceedingly sound to me: lets the reader know who this guy is and what he's into. Congratulations! My only quibble is that perhaps you should use the Babel boxes to let folks know where they may find an editor who speaks the languages you do, some of which are far more obscure than my own Esperanto and blazon.

Lazy person that I am, I lean too much on userboxen to disclose my own (strongly-held) positions; and my userpage is perhaps a little autobiographical (though nobody's ever asked me to trim it. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

(1) Writing Systems (scripts) interests are quite separate from languages spoken, especially in cases like Khitan, whose last recorded surviving speaker/reader/writer was Genghis Khan's imposing advisor Yeliu Chutsai * — his lineage had been the fallen empire's royal family. The vocabulary we know of is similar to Mongolian; I won't say "amazingly" because the peoples lived in the same area, and I think it likely Khitan as the overlapping older empire's language influenced (≈ "was related to") the younger one's. Talking about Khitan like this is one thing; but putting up a Babel box and claiming I speak it?! pfffft.

(* Respected, oh yes, but not a hero to this unhappy singer.... "Do-ora Tengri-de, anda-nar, chilugetai unu!")

(2) Again, post-Essjay, it goes against the grain to make any such claim about any language, script, or topic at all. Either what I'm saying (writing) demonstrates some discernible degree of fluency / familiarity / genuine research, in which case the claim is unnecessary, or else not, in which case the claim is foolish. Besides, if I were here all the time for people to find me, hanging out my shingle might make sense (if people could trust shingles). But I'm only intermittently here; people shouldn't wait around for me. What I do is show up where I feel I have something to contribute, and contribute it (as at Talk:Theban alphabet)... and you'll notice even that has been met with dead silence — I'm sure it's simply because, like me, all those other people simply aren't on all the time; the next time they get on, *I* will be on hiatus, and so forth... the debates will simply take place at a far more glacial pace than the Internet usually affords. — Raven (talk) 06:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

(3) Ah! The bell rang! I remembered what your phrase reminded me of! "... use the Babel boxes to let folks know where they may find an editor..." — Did you ever read Barry Hughart's Bridge of Birds*, set in mythical China? The village's children have fallen ill, strong young man Number Ten Ox is sent into the city to find a detective, and in the Street of Detectives he sees sign after sign after sign advertising the symbol of the Open Eye, all of them equally all-seeing, how is he to choose? But then he sees one sign with a Half-Open Eye: some things I see, it seems to say, some things I don't. And this is the detective he chooses. Wisely, as it turns out. — Raven (talk) 06:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

(* Until I linked and read the article for the novel, I didn't know there were sequels! Hurray! And already, just from a quote in the first sequel's article, I believe I've spotted a bilingual pun against post-modernism! Hurray!) – Raven (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Many people were saddened by Hughart's death, as it deprived fantasy literature of a very different voice from the usual re-tooled Tolkien and regurgitated Celtic Twilight crowd(s). --Orange Mike | Talk 20:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

"Hughart's death"?! Are you sure? He's still listed as a living person here on Wikipedia, and everywhere else I looked; I found no mention of his death; what's more, note his residence is Tucson AZ and now see this other Tucson resident's obituary: "John Branham, 53, died January 11, 2013... is also survived by uncles, Peter and Barry Hughart and three stepbrothers." Granted, Tucson may have had two Barry Hugharts of an age to be uncle to a 53-year-old man, but is it so common a name? – Raven (talk) 06:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I was misinformed! I vaguely recall hearing of his death, almost a decade ago, and did not do any follow-up. I dearly hope you are correct and I am wrong. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

"Almost a decade ago": any word of his death then seems to be what Mark Twain called "greatly exaggerated." I wrote Jerry Kuntz, who'd interviewed Hughart in 2000, and although they haven't stayed in close touch since, Kuntz got email from Hughart in 2010, only three years ago. Unless Hughart has learned some necromantic tricks from the Duke of Chin or the Laughing Prince, I don't think he died almost a decade ago. Cheer up! – Raven (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

You're gonna need it for this [1]   little green rosetta(talk) central scrutinizer  19:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I take my caffeine via Diet Mountain Dew (bottle on my desk as I type this); but thanks for the kind wishes! --Orange Mike | Talk 19:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Every 2nd source is a SPS. Not that we can't use them every now and them, but this is a BLP, not a Facebook timeline page. I'm tempted to delete every one and the supporting statement. And ancestry.com for a RS? Owie owie owie!  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  19:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Unblock of RiverAlexander1

... or his mother, to be more precise; per a reasonable suggested change of username I've lifted your username block. COI may well continue to be an issue, so may be worth keeping half an eye on her edits. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay; but I do sort of expect you as the unblocking admin to watch her, as she clearly has WP:OWN issues out the wazoo. (I know, I'm the parent of a teen myself; but nonetheless...) --Orange Mike | Talk 14:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Goes without saying; I've got her talkpage and the article on my watchlist and will do the old "ton of bricks" thing if required. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy note

... although I imagine it will have flagged on your watchlist anyway: I've just deleted your article as a result of the AFD. If it softens the blow any, I teared up a little bit as I did so.

No, not really. But it's still a shame; you're a far more worthy candidate than some of the article subjects we get. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

The question was never whether the subject was "worthy": the issue was whether the subject was notable enough to have an article about in an encyclopedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:40, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Quite. Maybe you should do more press? Yunshui 雲‍水 14:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I've got a clipping or two (the column in the local daily about the 20-year-old Democratic nominee for the Assembly; the newspaper article about the local SF convention which actually ended up being more about the con's "Speaker-to-Mundanes"; the item in Die Welte last year; the photo in Publishers Weekly); but together they still don't add up, IMHO, to the requisite substantial coverage. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Jan Howard Finder#Meta: Prominence with Fannish background

"If fans start with the presumption of non-notability, aren't even more [unmerited] Speedy Deletes in the offing?" – Raven (talk) 07:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

No humor, please!

Dear Orangemike: Your edits, as in this diff, have shown traces of a sense of humor, which is disruptive of the serious, somber, and relentlessly grim mood that so many other good people in all walks of life have exhibited just before burning out entirely. Be advised that if you continue on this present course, you run the risk of enjoying yourself while at work on this project, and you may even have a similar effect on other editors. Please consider very carefully whether you want to be responsible for such consequences. Thank you. -- — Sebastian 21:52, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Your continuing efforts to bring smiles to the lips of fellow editors (ex:Your Help desk reply re:pornstars and celebrities) must stop. You are altering the austere and stoic demeanor that is expected of Encyclopedians. If you want to do comedy, go on stage. And....if you do.....send me a ticket!!! ```Buster Seven Talk 14:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Dan T. Sehlberg

Regarding our discussion about T. Sehlberg: as he is swedish, he is often confused with Dan Sehlberg, a Swedish businessman. That's the main reason for having just one article and deleting the other multiple articles which I by accident created as i'm new here:Dan T. Sehlberg Ovetove (talk) 22:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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RfC close at traditional marriage

Did you intend to close this? It stil looks like it is open. Thanks.  little green rosetta(talk)
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Ben Cline

This BLP of a Virginia state politician has had a section titled "Women's rights" removed without explanation four times in the last week--three by two different IPs, and once by a new named account. All three have edited this article only, and none of the five delete edits has had an edit summary more descriptive than "removed text". The section, while it appears disproportionately long, does appear to have reliable sources, and the deletions appear to be an attempt to remove any negative material about the subject.

Would you mind taking a look at it? I don't care to get into a flat-out edit war, especially not without an outside opinion on the material itself. (I'll look for a reply here.) Rklear (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

The section was a smidgen long, but I restored most of it and warned the registered editor about blanking. The IP vandal was temporarily blocked. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The section "Women's rights" was removed because it is disproportionately long and focuses entirely on legislation from the 2012 General Assembly that Delegate Ben Cline did not patron. It is inconsistent with the rest of his page that focuses solely on legislation that Cline has patroned throughout his 6 terms in office, projecting a focus that is not big-picture and sadly, one-sided. LexLady13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I need some oversight from an administrator for a difference of opinion on an article I have been trying to edit

Hello, OrangeMike. Will you give me some direction over how to get administrative oversight in editing an article. The article is Gun control and, although I have run afoul of the 3 reverts policy, I am sure that there are some "problems" with the way this has occurred and what it represents for fair editing on WP. Thank you--StopYourBull (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I already explained the situation to you. Admin shopping isn't going to help your case. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 23:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Cung Le's Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cung_Le Hello, I'm leaving this message to seek assistance from you to see if there can a protection to Cung Le's wikipedia page. It seems that random IP addresses continue to revert his page to change his Ethnicity and Nationality to strictly just Vietnamese. I have provided many sources that label him as either a Vietnamese-American or a South Vietnam-born American, meaning he is currently an American that happened to be born in South Vietnam. In the talk page, a Mod had stated that he is indeed in fact an American based on all the sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cung_Le Comment This is very clear, he was born in South Vietnam but all that does is make him "South Vietnamese born" place of birth does not equate to nationality (otherwise Australia would have a british prime minister); there is a source here that calls Le "South Vietnamese-born American" therefore unless someone can show with an equally reliable source he is a national of another country then we go with American. Any changes without such a source will be reverted in line with WP:BLP. Mtking (edits) 22:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

However, he's already retired. Let me know what you can do or who I need to contact for further assistance in protecting his page. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

A giant THANK YOU

Mike, I'm thanking you for saving the Timeshare article by Protecting it. I have been hawking that article daily for a long time to try and keep the scam and spam out of it. I don't use a smartphone, so I have to carry my Laptop around with me to stay on top of it...:) All of the folks deciding on whether or not Timeshare is for them, and then come to that article for some insight, also thank you by proxy. Orange is now my favorite color. Cheers! Pocketthis (talk) 04:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Re a hasty action taken by you without actually looking at what happened

I posted the message on User:Ultraexactzz user page by mistake. Then I realised my mistake, blanked out what I posted and placed it in his talk page. It would have helped if you had looked at what was done, before jumping to conclusions --Sahir 16:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Good point. When I see a userpage blanked by another user without explanatory edit summary, my reactions tend to be swift, in order to protect the userpage owner. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

My bad for not adding an edit summary. I can understand how you feel with all these vandals about. I am not one of them :) --Sahir 17:08, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you and me and Ultra are all good with each other. Let's all go out and CORRECT THE INTERWEBZ! --Orange Mike | Talk 17:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Help regarding the page

Hey, OrangeMike, I hope you will help me with the article on Trashness. I really want to make the article clean and neat. Please help me improve the article and fit for publishing on Wikipedia. I really have a lot of hopes from this article. Kindly, remove the warnings by helping me edit and give tips to make it clean. Thanks a lot ! Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's an advertisement for a brand-new, very obscure blog. It has no place here. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:East–West Schism

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Needing an Admin again... Deja Vu?

Hey, there's an article: Dragan Petrović, that appears as a promotional piece, written probably from the subject of the article itself. The entire article stems both from the guy's personal site and Facebook page. The piles of photos originate there, leaving doubt as to copyright. Whomever is (doing an exceptionally bad job) editing, is untrained, doesn't edit any other articles. Once again, this is about a jazz musician being edited by someone with a username of User:Jazzycrazy, both on Wikipedia and Commons. As you know, I went through all of this with a person editing their own article, and how badly that turned out. Fortunately, I don't know this person, but I find once again the same clues as to possible copyright issues with the pics, probable violations of WP:OR, and more. This article was tagged in January, 2010-- three years ago with a question of notability. THREE years ago? I concur. There are plenty more notable musicians with great accomplishments that need attention. Please help with this. Please answer on my talk page. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Tagged for G11 speedy.--ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Second coming of Dragan Petrović

The Dragan Petrović has been re-created. I noticed you had been involved in the previous deletion. I am not a deletionist but I'm willing to concede to previous decisions. Please help iron this out. Chris troutman (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

If the subject is willing, and other editors work on it, and can provide appropriate references I haven't any issue with him keeping an article on the Wikipedia- I even checked out his music on You Tube (liking it, too!) thinking the article would just need an infobox and cleanup, but I do have a problem with people who create and edit their own articles, primarily to promote their own careers, which it really seemed to look to me. I had a previous problem with the same circumstances with a different musician and it became a bad situation, which is why I am not the person to make choices of any kind about this, and why I was asking User:Orangemike both because he was instrumental in resolving that scene, and because he's an Admin., and seems to be fair. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 10:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The world is full of musicians I never heard of, and that's not a problem; but the "article" I deleted after recreation was purest crap, full of lines like, "His compositions are truly elegant and inspiring", "Every new recording continues to keep listeners in anticipation of his next musical adventure", "impressive emotional range that will captivate the ears of jazz and fusion music lovers of all tastes", and "manages to capture the ear in both its; good taste and understated subtle sophistication offering jazz music lovers of all tastes a palette of elegant musical cuisine"! --Orange Mike | Talk 13:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please would you reassess Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annemarie Kremer

The article Annemarie Kremer has developed substantially since your nomination, and you may form a different view. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

You are a scholar and a gentleman I, too, felt that the article did not make the cut initially. Now it assuredly does. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The DO-IT Center

Hi! I hope this is appropriate. (The Wikipedia newcomer's guide suggested it.)

You tagged my (first) article for deletion, The DO-IT Center, because you found that it failed Wikipedia's notability guidelines and described it as a "campus center." That was my fault (i.e., the DO-It Center is notable; I failed to properly present and cite the material). I used your critique to address the issue of notability by adding additional information on DO-IT's nationwide and international programs, Awards, Impact, etc. I also replaced "self-sourced" citations with notable third-party citations (New York Times, Seattle Times, etc.). If you have any feedback on other ways I can improve the article, please let me know.

Thank you, AlmostRutger AlmostRutger (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

This is certainly highly appropriate! The ongoing Article for Deletion discussion is the best place to make your case. If it passes the AfD, then the place for the discussion is the talk page of the article itself. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

COI questions

Hey Mike, I'm currently working on a draft rfc to help nail down policy on financial conflicts of interests and paid advocates. I'm curious if you think this would be fair and useful: User:Ocaasi/coiquestions. Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 20:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Bill Luckett (businessman)

For your information, I've removed the speedy deletion tag from Bill Luckett's article. It's been there for two years and has survived articles for creation. I think articles for deletion would be a more sensible fate for it.--Launchballer 21:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Jenna Rose for deletion

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Big battle and apparent COI at NWA Hall of Fame

I just wanted to make you aware of an editing battle between User:Ericsax and User:HHH_Pedrigree at NWA Hall of Fame. Ericsax has made dozens of edits (adding championship titles for wrestlers) to the article since October and then HHH has reverted all of those edits in two reverts of about 37,000 bytes last month and 20,000 today.[2][3]. I have no idea if Ericsax's content is appropriate for the article or not (HHH thinks it's "too much") but in the past few hours Ericsax has added back all the content that HHH removed, and he wrote an edit summary which is essentially an admission of a conflict of interest, as well as a huge misunderstanding about who "controls" Wikipedia articles. His edit summary says, "Please do not undo this again. I have the permission of the NWA to put all the NWA titles the NWA Hall of Fame Member has won."[4] So it appears that Ericsax works for, or has a close association with, the NWA, and mistakenly believes that the NWA controls the content of the article. I just wanted to make an administrator aware of this situation. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Update: The battle continues. See this revert of 21,000 bytes. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 11:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I want you to understand that I have the permission of the NWA owners to put ALL the NWA titles that the NWA Hall of Fame member won in the NWA. HHH Pedigree originally deleted my work after the new members were announced last year.

If HHH pedigree believes that the NWA Hall of Fame page should not include all the titles from the NWA, then the WWE Hall of Fame page should not include any references from the NWA, AWA, Mid-South or anywhere else. It should be focused on what that person in his accomplishment in the WWE, not the NWA, AWA or others.

Last year, the NWA allowed a small number of people including myself on a committee on Facebook call the NWA HOF Committee, to help decide who was going to be inducted into the NWA Hall of Fame last year.

I am not sure if you are a wrestling fan or not. I will use this as my example, if you asked either Dory or Terry Funk, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes (or his sons Cody and Dustin), Jerry Brisco (brother of Jack), Sabu (nephew of the Original Sheik), the family of Freddie Blassie, and many others that they would want to have all of their NWA titles they won on the page of the NWA Hall of Fame.

Please understand that until the 1990s, the NWA only controlled 2 titles for the men (World Heavyweight and World Junior Heavyweight) and the NWA Womens title. All the other titles were company titles.

I have had a private discussion with one of the NWA owners on Facebook over the weekend and quoted this to me "Thanks for your efforts to fix the wiki page" on Saturday at around 11:00 am.

I sent a message to HHH Pedigree about this as well.Ericsax (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)ericsax

I want you to understand that we don't care what "permissions" NWA does or does not delude themselves they can grant for edits to Wikipedia. I further want you to understand that your close connection with this subject means you should not be editing this article, or those on the competitors to the NWA. I am not a wrestling fan; but the word of Dusty Rhodes or Jerry Brisco has no more relevance here than that of Snooki, Silvio Berlusconi or Pinkie Pie has to the articles on their areas of fame. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I answered in the talk page. The Wikiproject only put the most notable championships, not all the championships. If Dusty Rhodes won the NWA WHC, we put it, but we don't put if he won 30 regional, no notable championships. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Ericsax, your comments, particularly the opening sentence saying that you "have the permission of the NWA owners" to add certain content to the article, indicate that you either have not read Orange Mike's comments on the NWA Hall of Fame talk page, misunderstood them, or are inexplicably choosing to ignore them. The NWA and its representatives have absolutely no say in how the article is edited. The article belongs to Wikipedia, not the NWA. The NWA has zero authority over the article's content. In fact, they have a gigantic conflict of interest, as Mike clearly pointed out. So even if you in fact had "a private discussion with one of the NWA owners", it is meaningless. Article content is completely controlled by Wikipedia's volunteer editors, based on the encylopedia's policies and guidelines. I have no opinion on whether the content you want to add to the article is worthy of inclusion or not, but you are welcome to to discuss it on the article's talk page with other editors in order to achieve a friendly and productive consensus. In any case, I'd strongly suggest that you stop invoking any personal connection you may have to the NWA; it's only hurting your cause. Please, just listen to what Mike is telling you. You should not only stop editing articles about the NWA, but also those about its competitors. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Could use some comments at the above article..been open a week and no one has come lol. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:29, 11 March 2013 (UTC)