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BMW Car Club of America

Mike, if you're going to PROD something because you don't think it's notable, I suggest adding a discussion (or at least a note) in the relevant talk page, especially if you've been denied a Speedy Delete on the subject previously. As it is, a 39-year old organization with 75,000 active members (the largest of its kind) and two high-visibility programs (racing and Street Survival) isn't exactly what I'd term 'non-notable.' — Mustang_DVS (talk | contribs) 21:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Inappropriate 3

Okay. First of all, you're going to show me some proof that the articles spurred some kind of libel lawsuit. If that claim has any merit, the articles would no longer be on the Internet for all to see. I doubt MSNBC takes libel that lightly. Secondly, I don't think your narrow idea of notability entitles you the power to speedy delete whatever you want out of hand.

In a brief perusal of your talk page, I noticed many have commented on what they feel to be your arrogance and condescension with regards to this website. I also noticed that many have complained that you are quick on the trigger when it comes to the speedy delete function and that your judgements have been overturned in the past. You have already scrambled to decry my article's notability when your 'attack page' argument couldn't hold water. All this leads me to believe you should restore my article and allow a debate to take place on whether it can continue to exist rather than force me to go the deletion review route.

- Mbroderick271 (talk) 22:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding a place —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccharlton (talkcontribs) 23:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

DJ Perry

You listed this article as a hoax and stated the imdb entry is fake, can you elaborate? –– Lid(Talk) 09:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Replying on the article's talk page, as that seems the most appropriate place. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

A little help

Could you return my User & User talk pages to their correct locations? They were redirected by a vandal, and I can't move them back. User:ShelfSkewed is currently redirected to User:ShelphSkewed. Thanks--ShelfSkewed Talk 14:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like you're okay now; glad I could help. Any idea what motivated that scumbag? --Orange Mike | Talk 14:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I revert their edit at Friendship (diff) and left a warning on their talk page. Many thanks for your help!--ShelfSkewed Talk 14:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Visionael Corporation

They're like bad colds, they keep coming back. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 14:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of THEINFOVAULT

There are numerous pages on wiki that give details about websites that are similar to THEINFOVAULT........ Government News Network, The Great News Network, signs of the times (News Website), Guerrilla News Network, etc....

What can I do to make my contribution fit the requirements? I have read the terms and conditions and I do not believe that I am violating them. I don't believe this to be "advertising" - as the website I am trying to write about is entirely non-profit and sells nothing. It is an information resource website. I try to offer facts about the website and I do not give any personal opinions. Any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Solerift (talkcontribs) 15:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Speedy Deletion of احسن واحد بالعال

Hi, I can find no evidence this article exists on the Arabic Wikipedia and it was tagged as not English. Are you seeing something I'm not? Redfarmer (talk) 17:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Pearson

I'm not sure what I was thinking, there - you're of course right, State legislators are notable. I had another of the same editor's articles open at the same time, maybe I meant to tag that one? But that article, Linda Bizzarro, a candidate for office in Louisiana, was already up for speedy... That's what I get for editing during lunch. Thanks for the catch. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

...which I see you already have deleted - twice! Good times, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Linda Bizzarro Ariticle

This article is significant for national and international purposes because of the effects of Hurricane Katrina to New Orleans and the resulting recovery and crime problems in New Orleans. Additionally the former elected District Attorney, Eddie Jordan was forced to resign, which also created national attention. --Cliftong84 (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


We are creating a Wiki Article similar to that of whole foods market, our existence has been verifiably published in the miami herald and cbs news, I do not understand how the article qualifies as blatant advertising. I was not even given a change to mark the article as hangon Can you please explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delivery4tip (talkcontribs) 20:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

James Nicoll

And apparently nothing I do to the page will be allowed to stand since the idiots have decided the site I created and research that went into it is not reliable. Shsilver (talk) 21:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Since it was several years ago, I have neither the time or inclination to deal with it at this point. Shsilver (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

David Starsky

Forgive me if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but there's a slight difference between {{db-user}} (u1) and {{db-author}} (a7). It would be strange to see u1 outside userspace, as with the page in question. Thanks! GBT/C 21:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No, you're entirely correct, and right to call me on it; but by the time I could get to the article to correct myself, somebody else had deleted it anyway! --Orange Mike | Talk 23:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

speedy deletion of The Klubfoot

Hi Mike, I was just about to decline the speedy deletion on this article on grounds that it claims to be highly influential to a genre, and list for AfD, when I saw you had deleted it. I haven't researched it yet, but it might be notable. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I concur and have restored the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Cashel Dennehy School of Irish Dance

You're Kelly Lowrey's dad, right? Well, thanks for the tip. I'm one of the Championchip level boys in Cashel. I would really appreciate you're help with the article. I'm not sure how exactly to make the article "notable", so any help in doing so would be appreciated. Bboy14 (talk) 01:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, thats the problem. The last time I tried citing a part in my article, everything bellow the citation dissapeard. Can you cite the first paragraph with the Cashel webpage? If I can see how you type it, then it'll probably make sense.

Bboy14 (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... yeah.... Theres just not enough sources for any verification on the info... I might just have to give this article up. Bboy14 (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh.. This is true. I'll talk to Kate, see what she has. After all, she's been with the school almost since the beginning. If you find anything valuble, be my guest and put it under the sources section. I'll also have to look in the papers, considering St. Pat's is coming up.

Bboy14 (talk) 02:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems as if the website is wrong. Mr. Dennehy isn't the current president of IDTANA. He resigned in '07. This is getting confusing.... yeeesh.

02:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ian Cumming

Hi. I expanded Cumming's article with the last edit at 1:03 (wikitime), but you deleted the article at 1:00 (wikitime). Could you review the article and see if you took into consideration the additions I made. Thanks!! StewiekilledLois!! (talk) 01:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello?? StewiekilledLois!! (talk) 01:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Well I respectfully disagree, but thanks for responding. Is the deletion with prejudice to future attempts or for pages regarding Ovasort Ltd., provided they are worthy articles? StewiekilledLois!! (talk) 01:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Green Gulls basketball scores

Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry :(. CWii(Talk|Contribs) 01:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


Hello Orangemike. I tagged this article for A7 speedy, and you carried out the deletion. Since the editor re-created it immediately, I speedied it myself and protected it against re-creation for two weeks. I'll leave a message suggesting the the creator discuss the situation with you. Feel free to undo any of my actions. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A.WOLF (2nd nomination)

Hey Orangemike,

Regarding your deletion of A.WOLF, I just wanted to stop by and let you know (if you didn't already) that the user who closed the discussion was a non-admin (see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Autocracy). The consensus is pretty clear, but I was thinking that it might not hurt for you to stop by the AfD as the deleting admin and confirm the result to eliminate any chances of this winding up at WP:DRV down the road. Thanks, and sorry to bug you! --jonny-mt 07:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


If I can make an immodest suggestion, I haven't gotten a single complain about CSD tagging since I put up this explanation page and linked to it from my talk page. I know you're under more fire as the deleting admin, but it might help weed out some of the clutter.... --jonny-mt 07:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Vimala Devi

I'm currently having an exchange of e-mails with the author is question. It will probably take a while for me to get all the information I need to write up the article. Just out of interest, is there any way of citing personal correspondence on Wikipedia? Paul Castro (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

About the poem I cited. I am writing the article with the knowledge and collaboration of the writer. What would count as permission for me to cite from her poetry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Castro (talkcontribs) 15:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify - I'm citing from poems that have been out of print for more than 40 years. I realise that this probably means they are still in copyright, but the fact that they are important to an understanding of her work and unavailable warrants to my mind their inclusion in Vimala Devi's entry.

She would have to donate all rights to that poem. They would then be licensed for anybody else to reproduce, royalty-free, under the terms of one of our licenses. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Vimala has e-mailed me a copyright form so that I can cite from her poems and post a personal photograph of her on the entry referring to her. I'm a little bit confused as to what to do now. Could you advise?

Paul Castro (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Does she understand that she's not just giving permission to post the poems and picture here, but licensing them to be reprinted elsewhere without royalties? If so, go to Wikipedia:COPY#Using copyrighted work from others for further guidance. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Question about deletion of "Kambri Crews" page

Dear Orangemike,

Hi. I just learned that the article I'd created about Kambri Crews was deleted.

I honestly believe Crews deserves a Wiki entry. She's a major figure in the New York comedy community, and also in the deaf commmunity as a storyteller.

The article I constructed is obviously deficient, or you wouldn't have cut it. I'm new to this and don't yet fully understand what needs to be done to make a Wiki entry acceptable.

But I want you to know that the underlying substance is there. Crews is a genuinely notable figure who touches the lives of thousands of creative people in NYC via her comedy activities, and the deaf community via her blog.

I obviously don't yet know how to construct an article in the style you need -- but I'd love to so. So I'm writing to ask if you'd be kind enough to give me specific guidance by telling me what in the article is okay, what isn't, and what I'd need to do to fix the article and make it a good entry.

I apologize if these are overly ignorant questions. It could be I'm too close to the article to see it objectively. But I was genuinely surprised to see it removed; so I'd really value your perspective, and your advice.

Most sincere thanks in advance for your knowledge and help.

Warm regards,

Hy Bender —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hybender (talkcontribs) 14:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Whampoa Station

Thanks for your concern on this article. I would say it is necessary to delete that redirecting article to reverse a redirect. Now the future infrastructure plan is clearer and the rapid transport station has the name Whampoa Station according to official press release. – PeterCX&Talk 15:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

It is done now. – PeterCX&Talk 17:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Deal Chalet

Did the hangon tag mean anything? I'm open for discussion, and would rather discuss it before being summarily zapped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirkeyw (talkcontribs) 15:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Universal Health Care Foundation of Connecticut

Greetings! I wondering why the Universal Health Care Foundation of Connecticut entry was deleted. The entry appeared factual, non-advertising, non-promotional, and heavily sourced. This foundation is one of the few foundations in the nation dedicated strictly to achieving universal health care. I find many similar entries for other state-based foundations and nonprofits in Wikipdeia.

Your feedback would be much appreciated!

Wagner45 (talk) 19:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Mike - I disagree that Universal Health Care Foundation is not noteworthy. That's because as part of the lawsuit settlement against Anthem Blue Cross, it was given money to specifically work toward universal health care in only one state. I know there are state organizations elsewhere that are similarly limited in their work. Also, I don't think that any of them, as part of a lawsuit settlement, were "ordered" by the court to do this. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. Also, I believe it cannot take a position on what kind of universal health care the state should enact. I appreciate the comments about the references and links. I'll try to find others and rewrite it and show how it is notable. I looked at other non-profit pages. I can't see any difference as far as the way they represent a specific issue. Could you provide guidance there?User:Wagner45 15:04, March 13, 2008

  • Sorry about that; I think I just redid what you did. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Wagner45. I'm not Orangemike, but I looked at the deleted article, and it seems rather promotional and fluffy. The comment that you added above seems (to me) more informative than the entire article that was deleted. Is there a chance that you could offer a more informative article for re-creation? Remember that outside commentary, especially in the press, is more impressive than insider sources regarding the true impact of the organization. Here is a typical sentence from the deleted article: "'The Foundation supports and assists diverse groups to come together to develop ideas..." Sure. EdJohnston (talk) 20:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That guidance is very useful. I will try again. I can tell you that this foundation has been constantly cited in newspapers. But, of course, the articles are taken off the web quickly. I think I'll do more digging into its creation too. I find that interesting. This may take awhile!!User:Wagner45 —Preceding comment was added at 20:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review for Youth United

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Youth United. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Extolmonica (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Your actions were patently absurd and flat-out contradict the norm. From Template:Tempundelete: "To facilitate that discussion, this page has been temporarily restored with this message in place. If you would like to see the article that was deleted, please check its history." If you need more convincing, look at the template page itself. Are you sympathizing with a SPA? Pegasus «C¦ 01:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


I should be thanking you for reverting the deletion, I further request you to revert the protection too. Seeking your cooperation at the deletion review also. Sorry if bothering you. Extolmonica (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Unreleased albums

I've been considering starting a WikiProject to clean up the "unreleased album" category (I'm finding it's definitely going to take a group effort). If you might be interested, I've started trying to write it up here. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 19:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Inglewood Problem

I have just created an article for Inglewood, Virginia. Then, I discovered there are two Inglewoods in that state, in separate counties. Should I separate and make articles: Inglewood, Mecklenburg, Virginia and Inglewood, Rockingham, Virginia? Making a disambig at Inglewood, Virginia wouldn't be helpful as there's a disambig at Inglewood, so it'd be a disambig for a disambig. -WarthogDemon 19:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Youth United

Hi, my article Youth United was deleted this time by stifle. There was no point in deleting the article, as review was going on, and each recommendation was based on earlier deletion criteria. None of them replied after 9 reliable sources were cited. Minimaki replied on my talk page "Same, as I already was watching the DRV discussion.. but since you added additional sources since my last comment, it makes sense, so thanks anyway". I dont't know I am being troubled after doing everything in accordance with wiki policies. 9 sources are not enough to be taken as reliable third party coverage? Let me know what can be done now. Thanks Extolmonica (talk) 08:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

consider reading Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_March_10 Extolmonica (talk) 09:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Susan Olmetti

Your prod got removed. I've listed it at AfD here. Best, Iain99Balderdash and piffle 10:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Skyrockets Update

Dear Orange Mike, Hope these contracts count as refferences: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherif Mansour (talkcontribs) 12:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Bernard Spitzer

Bernard Spitzer built the largest apartment building in New York City as well as several landmark 30+ story buildings in New York City. If you want to delete the article please use the normal afd process rather than speedily deleting it. Americasroof (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I got your message on my talk page. If you want to delete the article nominate it for an afd and let it be discussed. Bernard is the topic of a book and countless articles. Don't try to circumvent the process. We've had some pleasant conversations in the past so I'm surprised at how adamant you are. Americasroof (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Spam tag

Thanks for notifying me. Can you remove the talk page? (Talk:Film Festival SCENECS). Thanks. Cbdorsett (talk) 07:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

notability of

Hi, there. I removed the notability tag because it's notable not because of its size but because of its new way of implementing CPA and the pending patent on that, and that Microsoft bought the company only because of that, and for improving Live Search.

It's also midly relevant that it raised $5 million dollars and a $1 million dollars on a short time, which got mentioned on two or three paper bussiness journals from Milkwaukee and Winsconsin. The purchase was mentioned on PcWorld, analyzed on eWeek's Microsot Watch, and mentioned on lots of places.

Launch was mentioned on the online version of Wall Street Journal, too. That and the other sources should satisfy the need for secondary sources on WP:CORP#Primary_criterion .

It's also notable for being the first site using only CPA.

I removed the citations needed because of the sources added.

I also updated Cost_per_action to include Jellfish and mentions to other companies that I found with them.

If you still think it's not notable enough, then feel free to nominate for deletion so other editors can opinate --Enric Naval (talk) 11:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tags and for using a prod instead of a speedy deletion. I would try to address the issues, but I feel that I my editing abilities don't reach to redacting the article better, so I'll leave it up to other editors to solve the mess I made improve the article. I'll leave it on my watchlist for the moment --Enric Naval (talk) 15:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
was going to put a comment here, but i'll put instead on the article talk page so other editors can see it when looking at the article --Enric Naval (talk) 17:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC) Deletion

Can you please explain/help me as to why our page wasn't relevant? We are simply trying to create our Wiki page. Thanks --Tshizzle (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tshizzle (talkcontribs) 15:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle (speedy deletion)

my mistake- thanks for noticing earlier than i did. Exacerbation (talk) 15:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

AN thread

Hi, just a note to let you know a thread has been opened about yourself at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Orangemike (talk · contribs) is making inappropriate use of the hardblock. Davewild (talk) 20:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of hardblock

Hi I've noticed that you've been hardblocking accounts lately for simply having names that you perceive as promotional. The hardblock is intended for cases where it is obvious that the user is ignoring the username policy, and in the case of names that are simply promotional, this isn't obvious. Please in the future just use the softblock (allow account creation), as many of these type of users are legitimate editors. Also, I apologize for bringing this up on WP:AN without addressing you first.--Urban Rose 20:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Tinsley Advertising

Hey Orange Mike, Tinsley Advertising is a real advertising agency here in Miami, Fl.

It is not spam or self promotion. It is no different than any of the other advertising agencies already approved on wikipedia such as: or or even our neighbors:

Please explain this procedure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megageox (talkcontribs) 21:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

C & C Market Research

Did you see this??? Now see what I said to him at his IP page: User_talk: I wish this article would just DIE already! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 13:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

OHTHANKGAWD!!!CobaltBlueTony™ talk 13:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


I'm not gonna fight you (you do some good work); but notability is not contagious. Having a famous customer doesn't make you famous. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree that the company probably isn't notable, but all that's required to defeat a CSD:A7 deletion is a mere claim of notability. This low standard is intended to ensure that only the most clear-cut cases are speedied. There is a claim there (having some famous customers), so a speedy isn't on. Stifle (talk) (trivial vote) 09:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

If you just do a Google Search on "Tinsley Advertising" you will see many of the mainstream press (ex: Business Week) that are references. Here are a couple (and more can be found in the Hype section of their site): —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megageox (talkcontribs) 15:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

External links to hulu

To the contrary, WP:EL encourages links to Hulu. Consider:

  • What should be linked, #2: An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a copy of the work if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply. For the type of media that Hulu hosts (film and television, mostly) Hulu usually is the only place on the internet that lawfully hosts a copy of the work. Yes, it's commercial, but for the same reason, no non-commercial website can host a copy of the work, at least not for another 70 years or so before the copyright runs out.
  • Now consider the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria. It passes them all. Hulu provides a unique resource, and will be reliable over the long term. The site is primarily to promote not sell works, has a low level of ads compared to live TV, and doesn't require registration (except for R-rated stuff).
  • Finally, I don't get a penny from Hulu or from NBC-Universal. I'm just doing this because my philosophy of Wikipedia is that it is useless without proof of sources. Citing the original material makes Wikipedia credible. --M@rēino 14:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree with your reasoning, but see your points. To me, this fails the "objectionable amounts of advertising" test. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Paying Attention to the Words in an Article

I made an edit in error to an already erroneous statement, but you merely reverted my edit and left the original erroneous statement in there. This is highly unusual as the change you made left the false information. For the future, please remember to read the full article instead of rushing off to eagerly post patronizing boilerplates on people's talk pages about their own errors. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you. Blue Danube (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You are right, I was wrong, I apologize in full here and on your talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
And I will apologize for my tongue-in-cheek. :D Blue Danube (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Skyrockets Update02

Dear Orange Mike, Hope these contracts count as refferences: Mike Why was the Article Deleted? Significance - Egypts first Rock Band (1957), as for proof We have scaned contracts (see Link) with major Hotels Casinos and Clubs in Egypt at the time. The Article itself was witten by the Band, actually everything that was written on their site AND the wiki article was done with their consent & backed by Documented evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherif Mansour (talkcontribs) 17:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Block of FrancineSchill

I unblocked her, as she was never warned and was likely unaware of Wikipedia policy or guidelines on External Links. I also left a stern warning directing her to the appropriate policies. Please remember, when blocking new users, give them ample warnings and opportunity to learn from their mistakes. Reverting a few more times is a smaller problem than is losing a potential editor because they were "bitten" unfairly. At leats give them a friendly note before blocking! 18:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Entirely true, and it now seems the message has been recieved. We can always re-block her if she starts again. The ball is in HER court now... 18:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Bridgett

Mea Culpa - I don't know what I was thinking of. I'm now suitably chastened. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Skyrockets update03

Hi Mike would these do? "With its tense score, contrasting performances of Chahine (twitchy and tightly coiled) and Rostom (sexy but cruel) and audacious moments of formal brilliance (Chahine even slots in a musical be-bop interlude from "Mike and the Skyrockets"), "Cairo Station" is a cinematic triumph." "Kelada grew up in Egypt where he would sing in a rock and roll band called the Skyrockets." "The Skyrockets at the Nileside Casino al-Shagarra and seen eating probably delicious fool'n tamia sandwiches in the 1960s." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherif Mansour (talkcontribs) 21:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

deletation of westnet?

hello, i am trying to add westnet, you added speedy delation, citying "nn corp" it is a significant company so please let it hang on . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timberlines (talkcontribs) 00:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Notable? i did a good theres tons of sources, regardless i just added it , still putting references, not everything on wiki is instantly sourced and added. give it sometime. not everyone is born on wiki knows how to instantly put everything. i hope u understand and i do understand that you instantly check thigns for their notablity. a quick google searched looks very notable.

fido is also a subsidy of rogers i dont know what the deal is. this is a canadian company not american so you may not of heard ofi t. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timberlines (talkcontribs) 00:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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Help with SciFi writers of color

Help! You were so helpful before. I was hoping that you could help me again. Since it seems that Wikipedia is using "Science fiction" as an umbrella term to include "Speculative fiction". I think that maybe the category "Speculative fiction writers of color" should to be changed to "Science fiction by writers of color" and the category "Speculative fiction novels by writers of color" to "Science fiction by writers of color" ("Walter Mosley's Futureland should be here, but because it is a collection of short stories it is being left out.) First is my assertion correct and second, how do I do this without going into every book. Is there a better way? --Booksellergirl (talk) 17:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! I think I got it all done --Booksellergirl (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Would love to attend WisCon, but it's a problem of to many Cons to little money. I just gave up my ComicCon money for a Rent Party for a friend. Maybe next year I'll go. WisCon sounds amazing! --Booksellergirl (talk) 14:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your continued support. It means a lot to me. This Kevin guy seems a bit like a close-minded jerk. I'm glad that there are people out here like you guarding the hen house, too ;o) Let's hope the that the category doesn't get deleted. I've been telling the guys over at Carl Brandon that we need to get on the ball with this or we will disappear. It seems that I was more prophetic than I realized. There has been a suggestion of a Carl Brandon Wiki. We'll see how that goes. --Booksellergirl (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
HA! You gave me my first laugh of the day! This just goes to show something. American may not be what it should be, but its not what it was. We may do some really stupid things sometimes, but we are capable of growth. This place is still worth fighting for. Be well. --Booksellergirl (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Revert on Paul Cadmus page

I saw no reason for your deletion of what appears to be a constructive, acceptable link in the external links section, and you didn't have an edit summary or note on the discussion page, so I reverted it. My mind is open and I'm more than willing to discuss it. Noroton (talk) 18:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. I've reviewed it now and, without any COI, I personally think it should stay, so that should be the end of it. It seems to me it would help if some kind of edit summary, say "removed as per WP:EL", would help. If I have time, I might go over some of that user's edits and review them to see if the added material is useful in each case, but if I do, it will be a slow decision based on whether each edit improves the individual article. That should get around any spam problems and help the 'pedia. I've got no problem with your having removed them. Noroton (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Looking at the context of that quote over at WP:SPAM it seems to me it sounds more like advice than a hard and fast rule. (And we all know plenty of people around here who are pushing their off-Wiki agendas; almost all of those agendas worse than this one.) Given the circumstances here, it seems to me that if you can get Artand to make some specific pledges about following policy and note that he'll be watched, then the encyclopedia would benefit. I tend to be optimistic about newbies who mess up in the beginning. As I said, I'm willing to be available if he wants advice. I'm not an admin and couldn't unblock him in any event. Your call. Noroton (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure you're more familiar about this kind of thing than I am. I left another comment on Artand's talk page to clarify. Noroton (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Power Ranger Punks

Apparently you deleted this article while I was clarifying the context. After uploading the new version, I undeleted the history for attribution purposes. Just letting you know - Christopher Parham (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know, there was an arbitration request on episode articles recently here [1], the conclusion says
It says that there is no consistent precedent or dealing with notability of this sort of articles, so I advice you to be extra-careful on making editions --Enric Naval (talk) 10:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, Christopher, you don't remove the deletion notice yourself, what you do is adding a {{hangon}} template below it, so it won't get deleted while you improve the article --Enric Naval (talk) 10:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Why would I not remove the deletion notice myself? I was only vaguely aware of the arbitration issue however so thank you. I do not believe it is relevant as the page was deleted as nonsense (arguably true at the time) but I do not think my last version could be described as such. Christopher Parham (talk) 11:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, the template says that you shouldn't, for a start. This way of doing things probably originated at {{db-reason}}, the father template from where {{db-nonsense}} was created from. It probably comes from some discussion on some admin noticeboard, but I can't find references for it.
The removal could also be considered uncivil. A more proper procedure (but still not totally correct) would adding "hangon", then changing the article and *then* removing the tag if there has been substantial changes, while leaving a message on the talk page explaining why it is notable meets the notability criteria or why it's not nonsense, so other editors won't label it again with the same tag. A totally correct procedure would be improving the article, and then convince the editor that put up the tag to remove it, or convince someone else to do it because of it no longer being adequate, but that's not always possible. Deleting the notice with no explanation anywhere not even on the edit summary would surely be considered uncollaborative, specially if the article is not improved.
(also, consider placing {{stub}} on your new articles so this doesn't happen so often. There is a ton of more specific stubs at Category:Stub_categories that you can use. Other people interesed on the stub type can then see the article on the thematic category and help to improve the article) --Enric Naval (talk) 11:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
You can probably use this one on next article {{PowerRangers-stub}}. When added to the article, it will automagically add it to Category:Power_Rangers_stubs --Enric Naval (talk) 11:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Silly me, this editor was not the one that created the article, so he could remove the tag with no problem. My bad, I'll pay more attention to the history next time --Enric Naval (talk) 23:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
(P.D.: well, at least the stub advice still stands. A stub template on an article can attract editors interested on the theme that will be happy to improve the article, and it can be added to an article created by someone else) --Enric Naval (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Image share

Hi, I was about to remove the csd tag when you deleted it. I don't think it's advertising, since the article talks about a specification by GSM Association, which itself is a trade association and wouldn't be advertising anything. The only thing that to me could sound like marketingese is a direct quote, and presented as such. Would you mind if I undeleted the article? Thanks. - Bobet 14:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


I've tagged it as needing translation and am just going to do some googling to see if I can find any English information on the topic. If I can't get anywhere with it (at the moment I don't even know what language it is - presume something Scandinavian) I would consider a {{db-foreign}} but I'd like to give it a chance of life first. nancy (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Gunnin' For That speedy declined

Hey there Mike, I declined this particular speedy (even though when I see your name in page history, I usually just delete as you seem to always have them right). You said in page history that it was taken from a website and was spammy. Fixable, IMHO. Was it copyvio though? I'll delete based on that alone. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't have a problem with an AFD, but if the assertions made in the article are true (future film, produced by Beastie Boy, etc), and verifiable, I might surprise myself and !vote keep. (and I am by no means even close to being an inclusionist) Thanks for understanding my speedy decline though, either way. Too bad about the article creator. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


I am so glad our world has come to that. She's a published author (whom can be found internationally through and she's not known enough because only her "official site" is offered as a reference. I own her book and thought her worthy of recognition and hoped others could learn of her written works through wikipedia. But apparently the site is not worthy of the critical acclaim it has recieved (I have had friends who've attempted to contribute to Wikipedia to help make it better and have been treated with this "warm welcome" ie "speedy deletion." When you work hard to write up an article with reference that sounds half-way decent and even intelligent and it gets deleted because it's not "notable enough" despite local and national popularity it kind of turns the stomach.) Carrymeaway (talk) 23:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

How are they ever to attain notability if people can't spread the word through popular sources (such as wikipedia)? Carrymeaway (talk) 23:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Therefore preventing a curious web-surfer from looking up information on someone they may have heard a snip-it of and want to learn more. My personal opinion; it's bull-shit. Carrymeaway (talk) 23:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Controversial literature

[moved from above]

Hi Mike, I just left a note at the CFD for Category:Controversial literature explaining why I don't think it should be handled as a Speedy delete. Can you reverse your deletion and allow the full CFD to run its course? Cgingold (talk) 20:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, Mike -- I was hoping for a reasonably expeditious response. Possibly you didn't notice my question due to the other comment that was left after mine. Anyway, I'd still appreciate a reply. Thanks. Cgingold (talk) 02:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, Mike. And more importantly, thank you for taking my request for "procedural justice" seriously. It may seem odd, given that I was the person who asked for the category to be deleted in the first place, but I feel strongly about adhering to the fine points of deletion procedures. Do you have any idea how & why King of Hearts jumped in two hours later and re-deleted it? Cgingold (talk) 13:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


With all the "wikilove" that vandals have done to your userspace lately, you deserve some real Wikilove. Royalbroil 03:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Guerilla Talk

i was not the original author of this "article" Did my best to try and figure out how to make it acceptable. Anyway is there a service where wiki's get paid to do this so i can get published Henslee57 (talk) 10:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Pia Di Ciaula

I have contested your request for speedy deletion. If you still feel that the article subject is fatally non-notable, I urge you to instead nominate the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --M@rēino 14:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Mike, I have declined to delete this and removed t he speedy tag, as I also have from Vincent Klyn. I do not know whether either of these people are actually notable.I do know that saying someone is an actor or a film editor in many films is an unmistakable clear assertion at least of some possible good-faith importance. if the editor role was not significant, or if the parts were all bit parts, then the people might not pass WP:N, but that has to be tested at AfD. Speedy does not apply if you think the importance was insufficient, as long as there is some importance asserted. There have been recent calls for the elimination of category A7 altogether, ad it is taggings like this which encourage such requests. I think we need A7, and therefore should use it carefully and properly, and urge you to be more careful here to follow the text of WP:CSD, which expresses WP:Deletion policy. DGG (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
similarly ". She represented Nigeria in Miss World" as for Matilda Kerry is an assertion of what can reasonably be thought notability. I'm not sure what I would vote on it at AfD,but it needs to go there if you want to delete it. DGG (talk) 15:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I know you weren't talking to me, but just to inform you, Vincent Klyn *IS* a notable person, as he not only was a very famous surfer in his day, but also played the main villain in the very popular (at least where I come from) sci-fi action-movie Cyborg, and also has appeared in a lot of other movies having major parts, especially in those directed by Albert Pyun.KnatLouie (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

What are you, stalking me??

Seriously, I've tried making two updates this past hour, saving once before making more additions, and BOTH times you've been around, marking something for deletion or otherwise trying to destroy my work, no even giving the article a mere five MINUTES before marking it.. could you please explain this?? Thanks.KnatLouie (talk) 20:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikilove, part 2

I temporarily semi-protected your userpage. You can undo if you want. There were 4 vandalisms in less than 12 hours. It must be an honor to be so popular that your userpage had to be protected! Royalbroil 19:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


{{RFD (talk)|Joy message}}-Thanks for your work on Wikipedia-RFD (talk) 20:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC) This was to be a kitten to cheer you up but somewhere I made some mistake in trying to add it.Again my thanks-RFD (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleted content out-of-process

I went to a fair amount of effort to get some of my favorite deleted articles restored to my userspace so that I could improve them or find a good home for them. Userfication of deleted content is explicitly permitted -- see Wikipedia:Userfication#Userfication_of_deleted_content -- but you have not only deleted these articles but have done so entirely outside of process and without ever notifying me. You have forced me to spend more of my valuable time scanning redlinks. Please restore all of these or add them to the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Tlogmer subpages.

Here is the list of pages, as far as I can tell:

- Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 04:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Tlogmer message, these should be restored and added to that deletion debate. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

DoubleJay Creative restoration

OM-- I created a new page for DoubleJay Creative in the sandbox you made for me. It MORE than fulfills notability guidelines (with 2 dozen external links!) and I took all the marketing-speak out like you suggested. So, will you put it up? Or tell me how to? Thanks a lot--

Dingstersdie (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, come on... (DJC)

"A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources." "The organization’s longevity, size of membership, or major achievements, or other factors specific to the organization may be considered."

I don't really know how to reply to your comment that a lot of the links are about their clients, since that's just blatantly untrue. Many of the articles reference specific projects that DJC has worked on or accomplished, but how do you think a production company gets press except through recognition of their projects? Additionally, even IF you remove those from the equation, there are numerous articles where company employees are interviewed and DJC is the main focus of the piece-- more than enough, again, to meet notability guidelines. You seem to have a prejudice against allowing small companies into the Wiki, but seriously, how much more notable can a small company get than national coverage, numerous awards (including an Emmy) and and cover story in the local alt-weekly? Finally, I'll again reference you to AC Entertainment as an example of another notable local business which has been allowed to stay, even with few references, while mine, with TWO DOZEN good references, is continually deleted.

It's a good article. I don't understand why you have such a need to keep it out. If, after rereading the notability guidelines and my responses, you still feel it's not notable, I wish you would tell me how to start a review or talk to some other admin. I am grateful you volunteer your time here but I think that by being such a stickler, it discourages people from contributing.

Dingstersdie (talk) 15:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing to stop you from posting the article as it stands. I repeat, I'll give you 3:1 odds that if you do, it won't last a week. We don't care if a company is mentioned in an article; we need articles about the company itself. We have a major problem now with too many articles about tiny companies like this which confuse local "Emmies" with a national Emmy, etc. And again: if you feel AC Entertainment is no more notable than DoubleJay, then nominate them for deletion as non-notable; WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument for retention of an article. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I went back and looked at the links and found six of them where the article was either fully about DJC or at least substantially about them and their involvement with a project. So I'm throwing it up there. As long as you're not determined to pull it down, I'll take my chances. Thanks for your help, Dingstersdie (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

notability of doublejay

He is put awards like Aegis and Daveys, which look like a place where you pay to get a nice award and a place on a list of winners. They have no notability and no reputation for giving awards based on actual excellence. I am doubting on directly deleting on the basis of not reliable sources --Enric Naval (talk) 17:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC) same for telly awards. This does not pass WP:CORP --Enric Naval (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of DoubleJay Creative

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An article that you have been involved in editing, DoubleJay Creative, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DoubleJay Creative. Thank you. Enric Naval (talk) 17:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Telly Awards

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Telly Awards, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Telly Awards. Thank you. Enric Naval (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

How do I make my football club notable?

Hi, Orange Mike.

I was recreating my F.C. Dragons page again. You deleted it because it didn't show importance or significance of the club. I haven't a clue what that means! Please help. How do I show importance or significance of my football club?

Thanks, DJK2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJK2008 (talkcontribs) 20:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Have a look at []. It is the team website I made myself. It may not have much in it cause its still under construction. Thank you, DJK2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJK2008 (talkcontribs) 21:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Strawberry Flower

I notice that you've nominated this for speedy deletion on multiple occasions. Since there is obviously a mixture of opinions on deletion of this article I think that starting a Article For Deletion (afd) debate is probably a better approach if you still feel it should go. --BrucePodger (talk) 00:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Central Intelligence Scotland

what did i do wrong? i did a fine page, and there's nothing wrong with it! please dont delete it! please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkes94 (talkcontribs) 17:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Next time you nn a page, could you tell the user? Basketball110 Go Longhorns! 17:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry if I sounded accusing. I didn't know that they gave them out. I usually just give the users their speedy warning. Basketball110 Go Longhorns! 19:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I've left a suggestion on its talk page. Never mind. It seems to have been deleted. Basketball110 Go Longhorns! 19:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. Basketball110 Go Longhorns! 20:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Correted Typo in Prod

Thanks for catching that typo Mike, I guess I was visited by the dyslexia fairy.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 03:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


I was wondering what you thought about the notability of Ironwood Omnimedia. I was involved in the AfD for some of its products a few months ago and I voluntarily merged some content into the article and tried to clean the POV, but I'm wondering if it might be time to see if it deserves a prod. I just can't find anything reliable to verify the article and I wanted your input since I noticed you edit some RPG articles.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 03:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

CSD nomination of Lucia Mauro

Hello! you tagged Lucia Mauro as {{db-spam}}, can I ask how you think that it is spam? And you also didn't notified the author about its Speedy. Thanks! --SMS Talk 03:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Voting trio

You deleted this template as having been contributed by a sock of a blocked user, which appears to be the case. Would you mind providing me with a copy of the template, so I can review it? Thanks.--Abd (talk) 04:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.--Abd (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Center for Contemporary Opera

To answer your comment I do agree that third party sources are best when available. However, I personally feel wikipedia's policy on the need for third party sources all the time is somewhat un-necessary as often times News Organizations use a first party web sites as a source in their own reporting. I know this having written for magazines and newspapers myself and knowing people who work in media. What advantage would a professional organization have in lying about themselves on their own website? Also, in the case of this company all media sources I found were pretty much reviews of individual productions and did not really delve much into the overall history of the company. Furthermore, sometimes third party sources get things wrong. Which would you trust more, the New York Times article or the company's own website if say the New York Times fudged a date or a name? It happens all the time. Most times it is the newspaper that fudged the info and not the other way around. But anyway, I like to play by wikipedia's rules as much as possible which is why I think the tags are there. Hopefully someone else can dig up some better sources. But for now I think what is there is fine.Nrswanson (talk) 05:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh there is tons of media review on productions. Dozens and dozens of reviews done by the New York Times, New York Post, Opera News, etc. That is the thing with opera companies. The media is more interested in the shows they produce than in the actual organization itself. See my problem.Nrswanson (talk) 05:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
If you look above I already cited Opera News. I am sure they did review the company at some point but the articles are not currently available online and I will have to go to the library hunting through microfich. Like I said, the references are there. Just takes a little digging. But better to start the article and get people interested enough to care and do research than not create/ delete the page and have it never exist.Nrswanson (talk) 05:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I've expanded the article and referenced it, to within an inch of its life.;-) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing the Radio station info

Stop hand nuvola.svg This is the warning you will receive for your disruptive edits for the Radio stations.

I re-edited the radio station info. I moved the Radio Station Info from its callsign to its name such as moving the 95.9 Big FM info from DWBG to 95.9 Big FM.

DO NOT move the Radio Station Info from its name to its callsign just like you did to the Radio Stations in General Santos because it is FINAL.

Pinoybandwagon (talk) 08:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC) THANKS I hope I have understood your instructions correctly about using your user page.Regards, Boselawrence (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Boselawrence

Hello, Orangemike. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion can be found under the topic WP:ANI#Philippine FM Radio Stations. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jana Kramer

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Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jana Kramer and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

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Hello, Orangemike. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion can be found under the topic Manila FM radio stations. --Howard the Duck 16:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: COI (Modernista!)

Please note that I have not materially contributed to the current Modernista! Wikipedia article. I only created our website. Your COI tag is not valid from my perspective. I'll respectfully leave it up for debate but you have my 2 cents. TimBlount (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE Thank you for taking the time to reconsider your COI label for Modernista!. If you could also weigh in with your opinion on deletion regarding notability I'd appreciate it. TimBlount (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Little Bee and The Other Hand

Fair enough - my apologies for making these entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriscleave (talkcontribs) 18:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Eamon McEneaney

On March 26, you deleted a page for Eamon McEneaney with the comments: "Real person; doesn't indicate importance/significance: db|Non-notable 9/11 victim." Since this is a page I watch, I am surprised it was deleted without it appearing in my watchlist if/when tagged. Neither is it mentioned in the page creators talk page (User talk:10stone5). McEneaney notability was as a lacrosse player. He was a 9/11 victim, yes, but notable since he was inducted into the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame, was awarded prestigeous NCAA lacrosse awards while at Cornell. My recollection was that this was all cited in detail on the page. I am requesting that you re-instate this article. If you think there are issues that need to be addressed, please let me know. Mitico (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate the quick response . I am not having much luck with d.o.b, will keep looking. Mitico (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for covering me


Thank you very much for reverting the vandalism to User:Bearian. I am in a very busy situation in real life, so I've had no time to stop vandals this weekend, and will be so through the end of the month. I appreciate it. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 01:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm back in action, after closing the apartment of an estate. Thanks very much! Bearian (talk) 15:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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For covering the back of another admin. Bearian (talk) 15:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Electromagnetic thingy!

Hi Orangemike. I've removed the speedy delete because I'm activelly working on this article. Thank you for your help. --CyclePat (talk) 04:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the In use template since I'm done working on the article for now. Thank you again for your help in this matter. Feel free to work on the article since there should now be sufficient references to easily improve it's context, which is b.t.w. probably sufficient to no longer meet the criteria CSD A1, meaning it is perhaps time to remove the speedy delete template? --CyclePat (talk) 05:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently updated the article Electro-magnetic therapeutic system and the AFD debate for this article. Since I've apparently rebuted your arguments (The device even made noted in a trial at Supreme Court of Canada)I was wondering if you would reconsider changing your vote to keep. Surelly it's a notable subject! Thank you. --CyclePat (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Doctor Steel

I do understand as an admin, you wish to keep Wikipedia free of spam/malicious content. However, I do feel the speedy deletion of an article I created, Doctor Steel, was unnecessary. Doctor Steel is a notable person in the music industry. He has been interviewed many times, and has even appeared on The Tonight Show with Jay Lenno, and has fans numbering in the tens of thousands. If my article is being deleted due to lack of content, please tell me what I can do to make it acceptable by Wikipedia standards. Aridnyk89 (talk)

Doctor Steel's Talk Page

I thank you for your consideration in keeping the page, however the talk portion of the page is currently protected, so I cannot edit or claim my case in the notability of the artist. Please help me. Aridnyk89 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I do appreciate the time you've spent on helping me clean up my Wiki entry, I know you don't need to do this, and can just delete it if seen fit, so I thank you. I hope to bring the article to your satisfactory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aridnyk89 (talkcontribs) 14:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Doctor Steel Relevance

I believe I have provided enough reliable references and citations to prove the notability of my Doctor Steel article, if not, please let me know and i will continue editing. Aridnyk89 (talk) 17:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of NetBox Blue

Hello Orange Mike. I wrote the article for NetBox Blue and it was deleted because it was deemed to be advertising. I am aware that you are undoubtedly a busy bloke, but I was wondering if you could give me some pointers to help me write it a little better, that won't get it deleted again? I have had the content restored. I am reading through other entries in wikipedia, and trying to model it similar to theirs, but I'm finding it difficult to do. Any Help would be mucho appreciated. Thanks again. --Mickyounger (talk) 00:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank You!

I do appreciate the time you took in helping me with my wikipedia entry. I will continue to edit and revise the article untill it is perfect. Thank you again for your patience and understanding. --Aridnyk89 (talk) 02:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Again!

Thank you for deleting an article I spent a whole lot of time writing and researching about. I strained for days asking for permissions to use photos, stories, etc. You truly are a wonderful moderator who's talents should not be overlooked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Penfish (talkcontribs) 04:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand...

"A7 applies only to articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves, not articles on their books, albums, software and so on"

why was the article about Mad Funk Entertainment deleted when it contained info on the debut Albulm as well as info on the sophmore albulm as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistawicket (talkcontribs) 13:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Bettina (Betty) Shaw-Lawrence

In case my other messages haven't reached, I have been informed by Hoof Hearted to contact you on this page. My second partial attempt to write on Bettina was wiped out the moment I pressed on Save Page. I would be most grateful if you could help me to retrieve the article so as to go through it with you. I'm crossing my fingers that the article meets with Wikipedia requirements and that it will only need corrections. Best regardsBoselawrence (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Boselawrence


Thank you for signature explanation. I normally place the signature. Sorry if i forgot. Good days. --Fotte (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

April Fools' is not a universal holiday

Thank you Orangemike for warning me xxx User:Hyper Girl 13:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Wisconsin barnstar

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For all of your work developing articles about Wisconsin and defending them from vandalism, I hereby award you the WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar. Wear it with pride! Royalbroil 19:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Rox3n

I am surprised at the "Speedy deletion" tag for the Rox3n article. Going by your userpage, i get a feeling that you have taken a liking for inserting this tag on various pages which might be relevant in certain cases.

However, the use of the tag on the above mentioned article isnt warranted especially after a newspaper has been quoted for notability. Also, the band is an upcoming music group in India & Pakistan & is of significant interest to many users as can be seen by their entries on various wiki pages (especially on pakistani music groups & upcoming talent in music of the subcontinent)

Thx.  Đõc §aмέέЯ  22:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for help with SF writers of color category

Thanks for the help. I am new to editing Wiki (although I use it all the time). I think that a category for Spec. Fic books from writers of color should be created also. I'll be looking at the rules (and trying to understand them all) on how to do this. Thanks a lot. -Booksellergirl (talk)

Hi Mike, they deleted "Category:Science fiction by writers of color" and have slated to be deleted "Category:Science fiction writers of color". I think that I'm done with this project. I'll consider it a success that I got several books into Wikipedia that weren't there before such as "Dark Matter" and "Bloodchild". I can't thank you enough for your support during this effort. Maybe we will meet at WisCon sometime. -- Booksellergirl (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


Can I please ask why these pages have been:

  1. protected...
  2. indefinitely...
  3. and cascading?

Please reply on my talk page. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Those protected Philippine radio station articles

You'll have to go to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Pinoybandwagon for the full ugly story of the mess which this represents. Basically, a COI guy in the Philippines, with one or more each of sockpuppets and meatpuppets, has decided that every Philippine radio station has to have a separate article for each new advertising/brandname it has used throughout its history. He has rewritten the naming conventions for radio stations there; has moved, removed, deleted and redeleted, etc., until the GFDL history is probably a hellish nausea of tangled spaghetti almost impossible to trace. (I'm not even going to get into the NPOV and possible BLP violations in the articles he writes.) --Orange Mike | Talk 23:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw that SSP page but it looks like a trainwreck.
I'm sure you'll unprotect the pages when it's all done; please do leave a comment/reason in the relevant field when you're protecting stuff. Stifle (talk) 09:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
(lol, looks like a trainwreck) Did I really do such a huge mess, or must he be referring to the answers by the philipine guys? I'm afraid that I tend to just pile arguments one on top of other, which does not make for neat expositions of facts :) --Enric Naval (talk) 15:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Kronos Incorporated page

You marked this as advertisement speak AND also that I have a conflict of interest in creating these pages.

  • The page shows factual and referenced facts about Kronos as well as a list of products and industries that Kronos does business in. It's not unlike anything that Oracle, Dell or Adobe do. Kronos is a very large corporate software company as well. I don't see any advertisement content here that should be flagged.
  • As far as me having a COA, I was asked to create the page for Kronos and I also am employed by Kronos as a web developer. I haven't hid this as even the email I use is I was sure to be putting up factual referencable content only and nothing spammy or advertisement like. Wouldn't you agree Orangemike? --Ken Savage (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

My apologies

I just wanted to say again that I apologize for bringing up the incident about you hardblocking users on WP:AN without addressing you about it first. I know that we're all trying to look out for Wikipedia and I probably seemed a little harsh. I'll be sure not to make the same mistake in the future. Cheers.--Urban Rose 23:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The O'Finky Factor

Changed to {{{db-web}}}. I don't think it's a hoax, but I don't find significant media coverage or assertion of notability. Might by spammy as well (?) Cheers, Dlohcierekim 21:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

When I saw the message bar light up, I thought it would be the creator. I did not even find the thing at the link provided. I don't get a Google hit for the ""The O'Finky Factor" at the "". I'm sure there is such a site, but I don't see notability; and the link does not substantiate the assertion thereof. I'll glad to give someone time to establish notability, but I don't think it is going to happen in this instance. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 21:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

--- 4/2/08 In this instance you are incorrect. The link does exist and is in fact listed in the BlogFlux top political sites, with reviews. In fact, the direct link to a review PROVIDED BY BLOGFLUX last year can be found at:

The site is real and not a spam.

Eric. Clearwater, FL

Nisi Shawl page: wikification and citations?

Hi -- I'm Jed Hartman, a WisCon regular; I've seen you there lots of times but I don't know if we've ever met in person. (I've also been a low-volume Wikipedia editor for a while, and I sometimes try to smooth out interactions between the sf community and Wikipedia.) The following is meant in a friendly and cooperative tone, but I'm trying to be brief so I apologize if it ends up sounding brusque.... I was just talking with Nisi Shawl, who was concerned about the wikify and citation-needed templates that you put on the Wikipedia article about her. It looks to me like the article is pretty heavily wikified already, though I can see a few items I can imagine adding links to; and I wasn't clear on what you wanted to see cited--is the issue that the citations are formatted incorrectly (I can fix that), that some of the citations are to her home page, or that there are items that should be cited but that aren't? I tried to drop you a note in email, going into more detail with these questions, but the email address on your home page bounced. So could you either drop me a note in email (, or put some comments in the Talk page for the article about Nisi, to clarify the templates? Thanks! --Elysdir (talk) 04:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Fedogan & Bremer

Hi - I noticed that you changed the publisher of Frost in the Donald Wandrei article from "F & B Mystery" to Fedogan & Bremer Mystery". I'm going to change it back. F & B Mystery is an imprint of Fedogan & Bremer and I have noted that in the Fedogan & Bremer article which F & B Mystery redirects to. My reason for changing it back is that the title page of the book actually only uses the initials. In fact the only way the publisher is listed on the title page with their logo. The Chalker/Owings reference doesn't make a distinction for Frost and it is listed in the Fedogan & Bremer section, however they do explain the imprint and list it as "F & B Mystery" in their entry on The Last Pin. The Locus index [2] lists the publisher as "Fedogan & Bremer/F&B Mystery". In any case, it looks like it's just F&B when referring to the imprint, which is why I'm changing it back. If you disagree, please let me know. I just didn't want to undo your edit without an explanation.--Rtrace (talk) 13:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Philippine FM Radio Stations

This fact from the Radiosmasher is TRUE:

If the official call sign has a prefix (DW- and DZ- in Luzon, DY- in Visayas, DX- in Mindanao), a redirect or disambiguation should be added for the call sign without the prefix. For stations which do not have a prefix, place the broadcast years in parentheses; for example, "DWRT (1976-2006)". See Radiosmasher for more information on assignment practices.

Brand names such as "Net 25", "UNTV" or "99.5 Campus FM" are very often unique. Even though "Campus Radio Baguio" or "Wild FM Davao" are not appropriate article titles, a brand name may, however, be created as Radio Station and its Dial (Ex. 92.7 "Campus Radio" or "Dream 106.7") page where appropriate.

Radiosmasher (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I am aware that you have rewritten the Phillipine Radio Stations portion of the naming conventions in this bizarre and inappropriate manner. I am sorry about it, but it's not important enough to me to fight you. I regret, however, that this kind of nonsense goes on. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. It's not important enough to you to fight Radiosmasher. You better do something else. Cheers. Bf2 (talk) 15:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
You ought to be aware that Radiomasher has re-created the articles that you moved back on their original place, and put threats of blocking on at least one of their talk pages [3]. I wanted to tag it for speedy-deletion, but I can't find the correct template :( Also, I am technically away and with no time to edit wikipedia, so I can't give my attention to this problem, and I'll have to hand it to you like on this state. Cheers. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Also probably recreated this here [4]. Just check his contributions --Enric Naval (talk) 18:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I have opened a case for sockpuppetry involving Pinoybandwagon and Radiomasher. I thought you would want to hear Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Pinoybandwagon‎ --Enric Naval (talk) 13:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: User:Birlinn unblock

Yes, completely an error on my part. I apologize. I've left him another note, and will watch to see what he does. Thanks for letting me know. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Guess the user knew anways, [5]. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

HOLY CRAP: Speedy deletion of Matthew Maher (actor) while I was editing!

I was in the process of creating a page for the actor largely because it seemed inevitable that some other user would re-link the John from Cincinnati page to either the hockey playing Matthew Maher or the musical Matt Maher when you nominated the page for deletion, and then zapped it. Perhaps you're being too quick on the draw? --Chetfarmer (talk) 20:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Matthew maher (actor) is now Matthew Maher (actor)

Notable, I think. Significant role on Gone Baby Gone. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy of UK Physical Singles Chart

Hi Orangemike. Might I ask you to take another look at this deletion you speedied as "G3: vandalism"? If you look here you can see some evidence that this chart may actually exist. My thought was that at the very least the AfD should be allowed to run its course. Thanks. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 21:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I just noticed your comment on its Talk page—after I had gone ahead and "unclosed" the freshly closed AfD! Did I make a mistake in re-opening the AfD discussion instead of starting a whole new one? Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 21:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

New Pages

Hi Orangemike is there any way that a message could be put on this page to remind editors who are patrolling to mark them as patrolled. Maybe i'm in a bad humour :( but it is very annoying when you click on a page and it has been patrolled already, thanks. BigDunc (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Long hair

hello OrangeMike, I edited the new article "long hair"- is it too short? greetings from Munich, Germany garlicboy1969 12:47, April 19th (CET) </nowiki>

ha thats is sort of funny.ANOMALY-117 (talk) 16:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


Information.png I noticed that you have posted comments in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No biggie, the IP is a *expletive deleted* and it is tempting to respond in kind, especially after constant nonsense and incivility. I really try to not template the experienced users, but I thought the "lulz" header would give you a laugh and perhaps give you a moment to disconnect and breathe real air. Have fun! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Your Esperanto is much better than mine, but it made me think it might be fun to get back into the study. It was something I enjoyed while I was doing it, but I got annoyed by the people in my local e-klubo, who were stunningly socially retarded even for nerds. Maybe I'll carve out a little time over breakfast for some quiet reading. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Tracy Price-Thompson

See the exhaustingive discussion at User_talk:Struthious_Bandersnatch. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on the issue, man. I kind of agree with you that it might be worthwhile to have a higher standard of notability than having books in the permanent collections of major libraries. But the thing to do is to change the policy, not sally forth and fight over completely factual and current-policy-fulfilling articles as some have been wont to. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 22:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I forgot to say, that photo of you at the Democratic Convention is awesome. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 22:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm running to be an Obama delegate this year; county caucuses are this coming Sunday, and I've got my fingers crossed. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I think that, if I ever met you, I would like you. Do you go to Pennsic? I'm there every year... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I joined the SCA before there was a Pennsic (A.S. VI), but have never gotten there. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

reply to your advice

I have replied with a question to your posting about Copyright Issues on my talk page. Noahveil (talk) 23:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You like cats, too ;-)

Thanks for the greeting, Fellow Worker! I try not to betray too much about myself on my user page (let my edits speak for me instead), but the sab-cat is a must. This flag once was red  06:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Simon Bruce

Oh ok. I will work on it some more. I am trying to comply. --Sarahmckem (talk) 15:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you please explain my code violation I read the conflict of interest and I dont see how it applies.--Sarahmckem (talk) 15:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

No, he is not my client. I am a 43 year old mother of 2 in San Francisco and I have no connection at all. My 16 year old son lives in Nashville and heard about this kid Simon Bruce. I contacted the girl who made his webpage and asked since she wrote the bio could she make the wikipage page account and upload it because she had all the copywrites and of course I wanted to comply (i have had my own account for 3 years). It was shut down the minute she put it up and I have been on here trying to comply with all the requests to make the page right. I have no conflict of interest, I was just trying to get the sources of the copywrites to upload it themselves.

I had thought it would be better for them to do it than for me to do it. Would it be better for me to make this page under my own established account then, and get many people to request the page?

--Sarahmckem (talk) 16:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG you said i made a page about myself? You are so wrong. email me and i will give you my phone number and you will see I am an old lady that lives in San Francisco! --Sarahmckem (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

In your post to the Wikipedia talk page, you described him as "my client." Are you now claiming he is not your client? --Orange Mike | Talk 16:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

given that these are 20 year old kids who work at Walmart trying to use Wiki to bring awareness of their talented friend You have really given them a hard time. I have instructed Sarah to close her account. I have only been trying to help these kids out. this isnt some big management, pr company. We will leave you now with your really bad attitude and delete this account.. happy now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahmckem (talkcontribs) 16:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

How do we delete our user account?--Sarahmckem (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Your note and a digression

Fair enough, no links then. I see you are an admin. Any chance of getting a copy of the text of a deleted article? Son of Stimpy, also any opinion on whether it would be worth starting a deletion review for it? Catchpole (talk) 20:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Sllab ym kcus nac nnamllU treboR

Hey Mike. Looks like you need to fully protect this page as it has been vandaled by the person you blocked a couple of times. Thanks. ArcAngel (talk) 14:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

govt organisations

OM, I think you're slightly over-skeptical about the importance of various government and related organizations. A major national agency has a significant role in its field of operation, and an article about it can in my opinion certainly be said to indicate importance, at least enough to pass speedy. DGG (talk) 19:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


After seeing a request at WP:RFUP, I'm curious as to why you've got this page fully protected, including cascading protection. I don't see any sufficient amounts of vandalism, or edit warring which would require the full protection, also, cascading protection is typically rare outside of the main page. Can you please let me know, or post to its unprotection request? Thanks. - Rjd0060 (talk) 22:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, next time, just dont block it fully, semi will do. Fully-protection prevents users from improving the article. I shouldent be telling you this because your an admin ;) RkORToN 03:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk page policy

Is it really a block-worthy offense to blank my own comments? They still show up in the history. The guidelines I see laid out on Wikipedia:Talk#Own_comments endorse blanking, and they refer to respect for people who have replied as the sole reason this practice is to be avoided. I'm sure "That's all nice and dandy" guy won't miss me. TimBlount (talk) 12:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


I agree some of them were a little over ambitious as yes the template was translated from slovenian wiki (and now greatly reduced), but the lists serve a great purpose in that they are intended to serve as a platform to generate new articles on and highlight what is missing. If you want to move them to the WikProject Europe/Slovenia project space I have no problems, but there's no reason why we couldn't have developed lists within sensibility for other countries too. As for notability several SLovenian editors have ever stricter rules for notability than I have -please see the List of Slovenian architects which was whittled down to the most notable etc by a SLovenian editor on here who is rather better equipped to make judgements on what is notable than you or I are and doesn't display exaggerated patriotism as is depicted. please assume good faith here that we are trying to build an encyclopedia with notable content which will greatly improve the site eventually. As for myself the creator of this template exerting Slovene patriotism, I am about as un-Slovene as you can get. I am here to build an encyclopedia with EVEN COVERAGE all over ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Bit disappointing you can't respond to me to discuss it when you were the one putting it up for deletion. Too much Vitamin C perhaps? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

? I've been discussing it at the deletion discussion page, where it should be discussed. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Zappa is great -of course one of my heroes Steve Vai worked with him for years. What I was trying to say it is that that singer is huge in my country and has still toured the world but probably most people in the U.S haven't heard of her but does this mean she isn't notable for wikipedia? I'm sure there are many Slovene people missing who are equally famous in their own countries but should these be discluded? I am just trying to get some even coverage on here and to counteract systematic bias between the english speaking and non english speaking worlds ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I remain confident that when the lists are filtered like here, we will have a list of notable people and not just an overblown dump base of any name related to the subjects. I started similar articles like Ruxandra Cesereanu from such lists also and I remain confident I am doing something of encyclopedic use eventually ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Compare [6]. No need for a list article to maintain. Just a category.LeadSongDog (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Exit Mundi PROD

Just a heads up, there's currently an ANI thread about ownership of that article so you may get an earful on the PROD. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw you proded the article. Do you think it does not meet WP:WEB. Three references are present which describe the subject in quite detail. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 20:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Taken to the article's talkpage. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

PROD on Exit Mundi

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Exit Mundi, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Redfarmer (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Former Wikipedian?

I just found the level of discussion "people of color" a bit disgusting. I hear what your saying though. You're makin' it hard to leave, man! ;o) I'll do some more reconsidering about how much I want to contribute to this -- for you. --Booksellergirl (talk) 22:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Center for housing policy

I think the director of it might be notable generally, and there will probably be enough sourcesif looked for. I've deprodded them. DGG (talk) 00:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


For watching my userpage! BananaFiend (talk) 08:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Patricia Gras

I noticed that you deleted information from Patricia Gras' page under the Television section because it needs to be referenced. I have many references to support the information in this article under the reference section. What do I need to do to be able to put the information back up? Mlreynol (talk) 16:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

No I am not Patricia Gras nor do I work for her. I attend the University of Houston and was able to meet her through the Communication department. I found her to be a very accomplished and interesting journalist and wanted to add her to Wikipedia that is when I noticed she previously had a page and that's when I made the effort to have it reinstated and am now trying to correct all the mistakes someone previously made. It is not as easy as I thought so if you have any suggestions I would appreciate the help. Mlreynol (talk) 17:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC) taken to your talk page

Response to your message to me, WikPedGuy

I resent your assertion that my account is "single ____ (whatever your called it). My Wikipedia login dates from 2006. I visit many websites on various topics, but seldom contribute. Michelle Malkin's extremely popular site has been the target of vandalism, so she has established a group of pre-registered contributors, and I haven't pursued joining that group. Far too much of my time is spent on the Internet already. But, the Absolut reconquista ad was so galling, and so wrong-headed, that when I found the topic on Wikipedia, there was the motivation to get involved. On another note, now that this experience is under my belt, maybe I'll pursue correcting the error noted long ago, in the Wiki article about the Telesis Tower building in San Francisco. Wikpedguy (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Another deletion!

My... if only you had the intelligence to read what was written before you remove it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by contribs) 23:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Talkpage decorum

Please do not censor my talkpage, regardless of your motives. It is discourteous, particularly when marked as minor. Skomorokh 01:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


But How did you see that my script was to be deleted? It didn't show up in the speedy category nor did the {{db-author}} template work according to the page itself. -Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 04:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Odd Good to know, though. Again, thanks. -Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 04:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

does not like big word, has trouble understanding!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LandofMinos (talkcontribs) 04:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

OVerus speedy

I think I did the right thing in retagging it as a speedy, even with the AfD ongoing. The author was told what to fix, where we had issues, yet continued on his merry way without acknowledging most of them. Maybe I bit, but when a brand new editor says he needs to bring in his attorneys to edit the article, something doesn't sit right. I hope the AfD closes out soon before I wake up to a stack of hate mail. :) DarkAudit (talk) 05:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


Just to let you know that I've unblocked DrHeLpErZx (talk · contribs) on his request for a username change - as you'd issued a username soft block allowing for this possibility, I assumed you weren't intending to exclude this possibility. If I've misunderstood, please go ahead and reblock. Regards, BencherliteTalk 10:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello Orangemike. I have restored Ipoh, that you had deleted hours before. Turns out that the move proposal hasn't been closed yet, and I think that we should wait for it to be closed first, otherwise users searching rather big one) will be surprised to find a red link. Regards, Húsönd 11:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

OVerus and The OVerus Organization

Dear Orange Mike,

Per your deletion of these two articles, is it possible for you to recreate them in my user space? I created stubs at User_talk:Kmiklas/OVerus and User_talk:Kmiklas/The_OVerus_Organization.

Thank you for any help you can provide. Kmiklas (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Science fiction article

Mike, I saw that you are a member of WP:SF and having crossed paths with you several times, I thought I'd ask for your thoughts. I just created Psychic probe, and desipite it being fairly entrenched in the Asimov universe, a google search lead me to believe that it isn't much elsewhere, or at least not sourced. Do you have any suggestions for how to beef up an article that I think could be better than a simple stub? Thanks in advance. —ScouterSig 15:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Scouter, but in truth I don't think this is a notable subject, nor deserving of its own article. (I've also removed the use of that pejorative term, since this is in my talk page.) --Orange Mike 16:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I would have speedied it too if I had the tools ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I would have normally, but then I'd have somebody whining at me that I didn't "follow correct procedure"!! Given that I am world number 3 by edit count, you'd think that somebody would give me the tools huh? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

On a lighter note check out Freddy Teddy. My sister is 27 and still has not one but three of them, although they is rather moth eaten now and stuck in a cupboard. When we were kids we always used to talk about this orange teddy and how much better he was than the others lol . He even has his own squeak box to speak. Enjoy ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Morningstar Christian Fellowship

I don't understand how the page for Morningstar Christian Fellowship will be considered blatant advertising when there are pages for other large churches such as the Hillsong Church in Australia. In addition, I don't see how a "conflict of interest" would be of any concern to a wikipedia article on a church. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mav-TGIF (talkcontribs) 18:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review for Silent protagonist

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Silent protagonist. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. (talk) 20:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The Truth Behind 9/11

I thought it might keep reappearing, so I recreated it as a redirect to the conspiracy theories and protected the redirect page because it's a likely target for vandalism, POV essays, etc. Good night! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 21:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi Mike. I'm User:Paul20070. Unfortunately, I'm unable to request deletion in the proper way becasue I've salted my password. I don't have email enabled, so am unable to get a temporary password. I do want the pages deleted though. Is there anything I can do? (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of goSupermodel

My article about the international community website goSupermodel was speedy deleted within 12 hours. I may not have included enough secondary sources to prove its notability, but I still think that a user base of over 4,000,000 registered users worldwide in 11 countries made it noteworthy (compared to other sites listed on List of social networking websites).

Should I re-add it at a later time with more sources? - I really find it notable, especially for young girls!

Larsjo (talk) 14:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for making the new page for Centurion, I didn't know how and I was getting frustrated at (I guess it was you) whoever was changing the information back to the other writer even though it was linked from Scarrow's page. And hopefully it won't get deleted. Thanks again Mike. Rigsy05 (talk) 14:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

regarding your speedy delete of Fred Toucher

I'm not going to disagree with your decision to delete the article, as there was a lack of qualifying information therein (at least, in the last version of the article that I saw). However, I do question the reasoning behind the "speedy delete" of the piece, considering Fred was mentioned in today's NYPost's Page 6 column. Perhaps a normal deletion proposal would have allowed such notoriety/significance to be added to the article. Other items of note that he has been involved with include the recent "Iron My Shirt" psuedo-protest at Hillary Clinton's Boston stop that made world-wide news, and an on-again, off-again public feud with director Kevin Smith. The article may have sucked and may have qualified for deletion, but certainly not a speedy delete. RadioBoy2003 (talk) 23:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, but I want to be clear that my comment was not regarding your decision to complete the deletion process based on the information that was present in the article, but that the article should not have been speedy-deleted; that is, it should have had the opportunity to go through the standard review process and let those editors who were interested do their job to add the appropriate information to the piece to give it a chance not to be deleted. If you look at the edit history of who proposed the speedy, they went through and marked a ton of radio-related articles with the speedy tag almost without care, as opposed to having the articles on subjects that have appeared on CNN (as an example) go through the normal deletion review. I appreciate that you took a moment to follow-up with what I posted above, but we both know that just because something didn't appear on your radar or appears to be 15-minutes of fame from your vantage point doesn't mean that it wasn't more significant or notable in other parts of the world. Anyway, thank you again for your reply and taking the time to consider that perhaps "speedy" wasn't the best deletion proposal for all those that were tagged that day. RadioBoy2003 (talk) 01:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Rigsy05 (talk · contribs)

I'm not overly concerned; if he behaves uncivilly towards other users I'll deem it a breach and seek more action, but for now it's simply not worth my neuron activity that for deletion. That's in fact been updated almost daily for more than 2 years, but magically bypasses your "it's just a closed beta game" clause. If you insist that I tag 50+ articles for deletion, all of which would warrant it of course, just to prove the point of this simple article, I'll gladly oblige. Thanks for your time and consideration. --EABoz (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

On Bagh (word)

Dear Orangemike, it appears that you have deleted the above-mentioned entry without having the courtesy of first letting me know about your intention, let alone action. I hope that you did not fancy that I wrote that entry because I had nothing better to do with my time. About an hour ago I wrote extensively on the subject matter to User:Stifle, so that I shall be very brief here and ask you to be kind enough and restore that entry without delay. In the event that you feel disinclined to do so, please ask yourself a number of questions before possibly coming back to me with reasons in defence of your action. Firstly, did you know the meaning of the word Bāgh? Secondly, can you name a single dictionary in which this word is defined? For completeness, neither OED, nor SOED, nor Chambers, nor Mirriam-Webster have Bāgh as entry. Thirdly, how many times does Google hit the word Bāgh? Fourthly, how many sites define the word and give its historical evolution? After having answered these questions, you may finally ask the following question from yourself: Should Wikipedia accommodate an entry concerning Bāgh? After all, with the word being so prevalent, some people might just wonder what it might possibly mean. I note in passing that, the entry already had several Wikipedia links attached to it, both inwardly and outwardly. May I also request you to be kind enough and consult some other people on the subject matter? For this you may consider to contact User:Stifle and User:JohnCD (the latter was the first to tag the entry for deletion, some five minutes after the creation of the entry — the entry he tagged had half the size of the entry that you so mercilessly deleted, in total disregard of my short note in its talk page). As for I, I believe that I have already spent too much of my time on the subject matter; I would prefer to have the entry restored without needing to spend one more word. With kind regards, --BF 19:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Orangemike, thank you for your message and the good-will gesture. I disagree with your judgement that the entry were not suitable for Wikipedia; I strongly believe that the natural home of this entry is Wikipedia, since it acts as a centre of information for so many references to the word Bāgh within the Wikipedia itself, this as testified by the existence of a manifold of links into and out of this entry. As for Wiktionary, I should point out that I have also a life outside these pages and cannot see myself ever getting involved in yet another Wiki project (if you happened to have read my remark in the upper part of my talk page, then you will have realised that my very being on Wikipedia already hangs by a very thin thread). Consequently, if you get the entry deleted from English Wikipedia, it will get lost for ever, for I simply have not got the time even to transfer the thing to Wikitionary (given what is happening, I have also not got the motivation). The choice is yours: either you kindly restore the entry to its original status as a Wikipedia entry, or you put the question to general vote. Your present suggestion is simply not acceptable to me, even though in contrast to what you might have thought, I had never accused you of acting maliciously (in fact any doubt that I might have entertained about you, were dissipated when I saw your photograph on your Wikipedia page; you simply do not have the looks of a malicious person, this in addition to the fact that all the Mikes that I have ever known, have proved to be nice and fun-loving people). For completeness, I had never read your explanation (even as of now I have not read it), since the only thing that I knew was that the entry had gone missing, without any trace. It was User:Stifle (a very fine Wikipedia editor) who on my request helped me identifying you as the person responsible for the deletion of the entry. Trusting that you will reconsider your earlier decision, With kind regards, --BF 21:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
ps) I see that you are a Quaker. My former teacher, Volker Heine, is also a Quaker and through him I am somewhat familiar with Quakerism; later I read a brief history of Quakerism, by MD Murry-Rust whose writing style very much reminded me of Volker Heine. I am most impressed by John Woolman, a true saint in my humble opinion, followed by James Naylor. Kind regards, --BF 21:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Please forgive me

But in the light of the vandal attack hitting your user page at the moment, I took the liberty of semiprotecting for three hours. If you enjoy vandalism (and I can understand that), feel free to unprotect yourself. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Good Luck

You deleted the entry on a notable person, Fred Toucher. Doing this was probably not a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

There is an article on the radio show; that's more than enough. If anyone with any guts or honor had disagreed with the deletion, they could have taken it to deletion review; instead, a string of anonymous cowards have vandalized my user page and others. Anybody who does anything useful in Wikipedia gets vandalized now and then; it's almost a badge of honor. I've been vandalized by homophobes and racists, called a "kike" and everything else. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
His vandalism to my userpage is mostly accurate. I am in love with you, because you are a fellow-traveller in the way of nerddom. However, I would never presume to appoint myself your protector, since you are entirely able to protect yourself. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

"they could have taken it to deletion review" -- this is not possible with a speedy delete. I would suggest not hastily completing speedy deletes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dm5802 (talkcontribs)

Sure they could; deletion reviews are done on speedies all the time. I did not act in undue haste. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Three hours won't be enough

The loyal fan base of the Toucher & Rich show have nothing better to do. You will not be happy with the results of your careless deletions. Jaylectricity (talk) 20:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


You are welcome! It was my pleasure to revert vandalism at you userpage. --SMS Talk 20:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thule Society

You may find Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thule Society of interest.LeadSongDog (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


kk was just saying man i'll do it then —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBPC-a-e-s-a-r (talkcontribs) 09:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


Any thoughts on the notability of Y.E.T.I.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blofeld of SPECTRE (talkcontribs)

Non-notable; prodded for deletion. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

WHY???it's so fast

Excuse me sir but I am just making the article of Ranchers' Club Ph. I have asked other members to edit this. I just posted it now, like a couple of minutes ago. I am still working on it. Why suddenly tagged for speedy deletion? Why not check Rodeo Club Philippines. They are the exact copy of our organization. Aren't you giving us the chance to cite references and notes? One of your admin members talked to me about this and said he wants to see references and notes and significant editing. Your tag was so fastJhei ann (talk) 00:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


I've already moved it. Honestly, this is my 3rd attempt to rebuild it. I am just asking help from other members so they can give me references but it seems that they are all too busy so I am having a hard time editing it. I think this club is important in the history of UPLB since it is the first organization there. I am wondering about the other club I mentioned. To tell you the truth, they copied almost everything- constitution, hymn, letters, files,etc.- from our club.Of course it is hard to prove here but I have seen a lot of piracy from them. So, why is their page or article not tagged even once. I am starting to think that the admin is biased.Jhei ann (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Metro Manila Radio, DWYS and DZUR

I think it's safe to unprotect these pages for now. It's been days since User:Pinoybandwagon and his socks were blocked. I'm also monitoring all edits on those articles listed on the template and so far no edits similar to Pinoybandwagon were found. -Danngarcia (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The Skyrockets Update 04

--Sherif Mansour (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC) Dear Orange Mike, It appears that the BBC article I've mentioned before was correct, even though it was a "passing mention" the skyrockets were in fact in a Youseff Chahine movie (for more on this character he is one of the legends of the Arabic cinema and that particular movie was significant (in its controversy and artistic merit, as stated in the BBC article)...anyhow that’s not the point. The point is, the skyrockets article went down because there was not enough "verifiable evidence". Should I buy you a copy of the movie? What do need to do to get this article back up online? I don't understand when it went down in the first place as the warning clearly said we have a year to sort it out and I've been asking for your input every time I add a piece of info. In any case the band was in a Youseff Chahine movie that is verifiable evidence. Please advise me as to how I can convince you that they existed? Except for the signed contracts, the advertisements and the live recording? The movie is called Cairo Station.

Re: Persistent misunderstanding Mike, your last post was the first to mention anything about notability. The concern for deletion was verification and third party references.

Historically they are the first rock and roll band in Egypt (I can't find any other earlier on record). they paved the way for other acts like the Bell Boys and Le Petite Chat. The were registered between 1957-1962 (officially) while former band members kept the name and played internationally until roughly 1968 but thats largely undocumented. The period between 1957-1962 however is!

They were a live band. The live recording on their site is the only known one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherif Mansour (talkcontribs) 18:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Philippines radio stations

Would you consider unprotecting that series of articles now? It's been a while and having a large number of pages protected is considered harmful. Stifle (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Bagh (word)

can i ask why you've restored this article? if its been transwikied surely its no longer needed.

According to his userpage, he's left wikipedia

Ironholds (talk) 16:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Exit Mundi and WP:WEB

If I read it right, the paragraphs in the articles cited fall under "(3) a brief summary of the nature of the content or the publication of Internet addresses and site", correct? DarkAudit (talk) 15:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I'm trying to get a better understanding of how WP:WEB works in regard to all those newspaper articles about websites, especially the ones that are "Collection of websites about (insert topic here)" articles. If that type of mention in a newspaper is trivial, then it would nip the "but it's in the New York Times/Chicago Tribune/Atlanta Journal Constitution!" arguments in the bud. DarkAudit (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for listening! DuncanHill (talk) 17:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Marshmallow Fluff®

USed to be a redirect to marshmallow creme, but this guy keeps trying to create an article over top of it. Can you help determine if it's true, and if its worth its own article? Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Soooo, I take it the article didn't have any legitimate content? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Mike i've added everything that seems worth adding to the Centurion page, yet people keep trying to delete it! Argh! What can I do to make it better? Rigsy05 (talk) 16:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Cashel Dennehy article

I've added a few citations that arent the website to the article. The cited documents are also view-able publicly. If you want to check it out to make sure it seems okay, please feel free to. Bboy14 (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I'm trying to upload the CD logo onto the page and following all the directions but it keeps disallowing me. My dad is the webmaster for the Cashel site so I've already gotten permission from him to post the picture on Wikipedia. I'm thinking of using the logo thats on the top of all the pages. When you save it the file should be titled "CDTagLongMulti.gif". I was wondering if maybe you could upload the image? Bboy14 (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

U deleted Short Bus Posse why?

We're back together kindly remake the page [7] this is the link to our website and btw i didn't know u supported the SNLA (Scottish National Liberation Army) Good on u mate —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBPC-a-e-s-a-r (talkcontribs) 19:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I support Scotland's freedom from the English. That does not mean I support the SNLA! The rest I'll take to your talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

No i meant i support what there doing just not the way they are doing it it'll be a modern day Jacobite rebellion at this that i'm sure there can do it with out violence like erm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBPC-a-e-s-a-r (talkcontribs) 09:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

"freedom from the English"? You do realise that politically we're the most over-represented people on the planet? Add to that the West Lothian question, the much greater public spending here (which is funded by the English taxpayer), free university attendance, free elderly care (all due to generous redistribution of wealth from down South, they don't have those privileges). I mean, freedom? Come on. The Act of Union of 1707 wasn't a surrender, it was the formation of the Union that has made Britain great. I certainly don't want to pay tuition fees! United we stand, divided we fall. BonnieDonny (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Signing Posts

Thank you. I do sign my posts. The SineBot seems to insist on re-signing them, for reasons I don't understand. --Tom Ketchum 00:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm doing it just the way you suggested - using the button on the top of the edit box. And yes, it does include a date. See here and above. --Tom Ketchum 00:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom Ketchum (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the tip. I'll check out the Hlep Desk --Tom Ketchum 15:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thomas McEvilley

Hi, you just added an wikify + cleanup tag on this article, which I don't understand. I have written about 200 biographical articles on the Dutch and English Wikipedia in the current format and untill now all seems right. If this article should be wikified and cleared up so does about 500 other biographical articles I am workin on in the field of systems science. So could you please tell me what I am missing there. Thank you. -- Mdd (talk) 11:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. thanks. I copied your comment to the Thomas McEvilley talk page, and will, respond there to keep this discussion on one place. -- Mdd (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
And I think if "The problems are all minor" there shouldn't be a wikifi-tag on the article, because this is giving a wrong signal. -- Mdd (talk) 13:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, could you take another look at the talk page. Tahnk you. -- Mdd (talk) 19:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion question

Hi Mike! This morning I wrote an article about a nationally recognized and very large professional organization, AASECT. I only put in facts and quotes from their mission statemtent (quoted and credited to them, of course), but it was flagged for speedy deletion for "advertising". After rereading it, I added a couple more quotation marks to make it clear that I wasn't using language to promote the organization in any way, just that the questionable language (according to another user) was directly from their mission statement. I used the pages from other professional organizations as a guideline, and I'm still not seeing the issue. It wasn't the longest or most complete article, so I marked it as a stub. Can you tell me what was objectionable about the article? I don't really want to take the time to write other articles if their just going to get deleted.

Thank so much for any input! Sarah Sarah Paterson (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I can see that adding more from other sources might be appropriate, but including an organization's mission statement wouldn't be? Is it just that I should be adding more to the page so that there are other citations/references? This was one of the reasons that I put that the article was a stub, but if it's nonexistant it's somewhat difficult to add to later (I guess I'm unsure of the point of stub articles then?) Is there some way of saving pages that you're working on so that you can finish them later instead? Sorry, I'm new here an many things about wiki seem a bit clunky (like this way of communicating rather than a messaging system). I'm not trying to advertise, certainly, but it seems very odd to not have a page for the certifying organization for sex educators, sex counselors, and sex therapists...I was using the American Library Association as a guideline since they are the certifying organization for librarians and almost all of the citations on that page are also from the ALA itself. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I don't see how using someone else's version of an organizations mission statement is ok rather than using the actual wording in the bylaws because that's considered "advertising"? I would think just putting factual statements and no opinions would be about as unbiased as one could get. Thanks for any help! Sarah Sarah Paterson (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok then, I've requested that someone else write an article about it and I'll just skip writing about organizations. Thanks! Sarah Sarah Paterson (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


This user created another sockpuppet (User:Martindanza). He's moving articles and creating hoax articles again. Please help us... Thanks! -Danngarcia (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of LNESC

I don't believe that my recent article, LNESC, was plain blatant advertising. LNESC is actually a non-profit that helps Latinos get into college. There's not many of its kind out there. I have no reason to advertise for them. Please reconsider. Edward (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Centurion (Scarrow novel)

I discovered that Centurion (Scarrow novel) was included on the The Sunday Times (London) list of fiction hardback bestsellers. I can't find the date when The Sunday Times published that list, though. You might want to revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centurion (Scarrow novel). --Eastmain (talk) 02:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "discovered"? If it isn't verifiable, we can't use it. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

  • By "discovered", I mean that I found the information at the Sunday Times' website using Google. That makes it verifiable. --Eastmain (talk) 15:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Hi Orangemike, a newly registered user move International School of Beijing to Idiots Suck Balls ([8]). Is it possible to remove Redirect from Idiots Suck Balls from the headline of International School of Beijing? Thank you--NAHID 10:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


Unblock request at User talk:ASKroeber. Worth a second chance? Bovlb (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


I, on the other hand, have to admit to being a long-time Wintel-only drudge. Some of us like to suffer... --ShelfSkewed Talk 20:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Editing User:Bearian page

Possibly uncivil behavior noted, but as I've yet to see it formally noted anywhere in Wikipedi I must chalk that up to personal preference.

As for the grammatical edit, The Chicago Manual of Style notes that, while the original form may be technically correct, if it is offensive to the reader's eye the form should be altered if an equivalent form is more pleasing. But, whatever floats the boat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpchurch (talkcontribs) 21:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm still not getting it. Were you referring to this?

Other users may edit pages in your user space, although by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I feel this is far too general a guideline by which to deem behavior uncivil. In addition, I was simply attempting to do something I would hope someone would do for me.

No offense was intended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpchurch (talkcontribs) 21:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Victoria Miro Gallery

You prod'd the article as nn. The Gallery is internationally renowned. If you have any concerns about visual arts articles, feel free to post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts for a review by project editors. Ty 03:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for Mediation?

Hello - you participated in Gavin.collins' Request for Comment, so I am alerting you that we are preparing a Request for Mediation regarding him. BOZ (talk) 03:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I am alerting you that we are now considering a Request for Arbitration regarding him as an alternative to mediation, and would like your opinion on the matter. BOZ (talk) 13:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Finance academy Study Abroad Program

Any chance you could take a look at this 'article' - Finance academy Study Abroad Program. I have twice tagged it for speedy deletion as spam, and the author has twice removed the deletion tag. I have now tagged it again with a Proposed Deletion tag, but don't for a moment believe it will stay there very long. Many thanks.--seahamlass 14:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers!--seahamlass 14:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


just to make sure i am understanding the process correctly and you seem like the guy who would know... i added a comment to the FIREFLY page that the basic premise of the evacuation of earth and human refugees is also used in the joss whedon/ben edlund-written TITAN AE. i wouldn't have included this had the same creative team not been involved (say, the premise was used in another movie or book twenty years ago). i believe this is intersting information the same way larry cohen wrote both CELLULAR and PHONE BOOTH or michael crichton wrote JURASSIC PARK and WESTWORLD, both works that use the same premise in different ways.

please explain what qualifies as a valid source? can any monkey make a website that references the same information and i can use that regardless of their credentials? that seems somewhat shoddy. i am referencing events explained in the synopsis of both wikipedia pages and explained in the first five minutes of both films, not trying to draw and conclusions.

i trust you assume some responsibility for this page and you'll do what's correct but i would like to know how these matters are dealt with for future reference.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Citizenjamesford (talkcontribs) 15:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre (4th nomination)

Thank you for your support on my talkpage. Stifle (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The Game That Is In Your Head

We edit conflicted. Trust you'll find the redirect appropriate. --Dweller (talk) 15:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yilmaz Bektas

Hi, An article about Yilmaz Bektas deteled bec. (A7 (bio): Real person; doesn't indicate importance/significance) If he 's not indicate importance, then requesting to delete all other result in other articles Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ybektas2 (talkcontribs) 12:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

URL Blacklisting

Thanks for the info, I took it up on the requests page and was told the same thing - not that I was surprised. Unfortunately in this case I believe Wiki users are disadvantaged. For my forum is hosted for free by Invision, I cannot afford a domain name, a proper webhost or to advertise. Many people have benefitted from my forum, and tell me their astonishment on having discovered a still active DK community. I'll have to make a proper website soon.

By the way, your name "Orange Mike" is very unsuitable for your claims for a United Ireland. I'd also like to say: mind your own business - in relation to your apparent desire for a United Ireland and an indepedent Scotland. BonnieDonny (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I accept the Wikipedia stance despite some reservations. But you're delluded if you think the Orange Order is a vehicle for Irish republicanism. And Protestants in favour of a united Ireland? Maybe a few, but you'll have a few Catholics in support of the Union. As for the tricolour, well the idea of peace between the two communities was a nice one, but when you see that flag being waved by IRA terrorists and sympathisers you realise that it is all bullshit. I have no idea what your Manx wife has to do with this. Americans like you are just what Sinn Fein and their paramilitary wing needed during the Troubles - you were taken in by the idea of a "revolution" against those "nasty Brits", but what it really was was murder and suffering and pain (a lot of which was funded by Yanks). I'm sure 9-11 changed a lot of Americans' views on Northern Ireland, and so it should, but it speaks wonders for American empathy when your wife or your kids have to be blown up by terrorists before you concede terrorism is wrong. Rant over. BonnieDonny (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds a rather dull read to me. Why do you care about Northern Ireland and Scotland leaving the UK? Why not Cornwall as well, whilst you're at it? BonnieDonny (talk) 22:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, now I'm starting to agree with the crazy guy who wants to vandalise your page. I'm fed up with ignorant yanks with Irish and Braveheart fetishes who think they know what's good for the rest of the world. Plastic Paddies are perhaps the most annoying, especially when they're so dumb that they profess a love for the colour orange - despite its obvious loyalist connotations (just take the CAIN website > symbols > Unionist and Loyalist). Oh, and get a shave. Apologies for the ad hominem, though I'm not really that sorry! Good night, Josephine. BonnieDonny (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Lets cool it. This is Wikipedia. Not a blog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bboy14 (talkcontribs) 16:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ama Sumani

Can you explain the rationale for speedy deleting Ama Sumani? The article was developed beyond stub status, and being that her case was brought up for national debate in the UK (via the Lancet and various clergymen, along with news coverage lasting several cycles) it seems to me it clears the hurdle of asserting significance. I concede there may be an issue with WP:BIO1E, but that sounds like an issue for AFD to decide. hateless 22:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

You've made some good points; I've restored this one. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks for looking into this. hateless 17:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


Congratulations Mike, another new wikipedian posts their first ever article and within minutes it's dead and skewered ready for an entirely undeserved speedy deletion. That's a really good way to encourage people to contribute, quite probably people who know little about computers, nothing about wikipedia and a whole lot about some valuable external topic. Do you think you've driven them away yet?

If there was a "Hairtrigger barnstar", I'd award you one. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Cashel Dennehy Article

I inserted an image into the article. And I think the article may be ready to be moved back into the mainspace. Take a look at it, and leave a note on my talk page. Bboy14 (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look at that, thanks. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bboy14 (talkcontribs) 16:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Wait, so is the article still up for speedy deletion right now? Or is the speedy deletion tag just still on it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bboy14 (talkcontribs) 17:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: College of Pharmacy (Pune)‎

Hey OM, I denied the speedy on this one (still had it watchlisted from the AfD). Terriers fan added some info, including sourcing, since the AfD. I'm still not sure if it's enough to pass the threshold of notability, but it is not exactly the previously deleted article (G4). Pastordavid (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Lou Holtz

I've taken the liberty of adding Lou Holtz to the blackface see also section (which I also re-ordered a trifle) as well as remove the "original research or unverified claims" template. Robert Greer (talk) 23:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

FSU Hymns

what is wrong with the page, it is encyclopedic not just a place to have them sit at, the hymns presented here are public domain, the alma mater is composed prior to 1923. the hymn to the garnet and the gold have not copyright information in the registry... this is directly from the FSU school of music. they are presented here as an encyclopedic reference-- (talk) 23:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Re Ellisys page

Hello OrangeMike;
Thanks for helping with this page. Sorry, I'm new to Wikipedia and trying to make this an appropriate posting. Unfortunately, like many technology areas, this is a new field and there aren't too many references that can be added. This technology is too new to be in textbooks. The page is notable because the term "Ellisys" is starting to be recognized (although techies aren't exactly sure what it means, hence the posting) and because of the novel testing approaches introduced by the company. Your suggestions welcomed; and I'll see what I can do.
Greg720graham (talk) 15:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Outside opinion

Hey, Mike, do you think I handled Terpterp (talk · contribs) appropriately? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I was really irritated by the user and just wanted to self-check. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 21:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The Fall of the Templar

Hey Orange Mike, i dont know if you have any experience with book articles but I figured I should ask you since your an admin. I have read the entire book of The Fall of the Templar. I think it would make the article better if I made a synopsis of each chapter(29 chapters). I dont know if my edit would just get reverted or if it would helped boost the article to start score. You tell me dude. King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Whoa dude pump your breaks. This article is good!! The article does not deserve to be deleted. This another one of those situations where you would have delete every article of the book series unless YOU plan on remaking them yourself!? King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
All right dude think about what your about to do. That means that there will be basically NO dam@ coverage on those books. Any book is notable. Unless it was basically an outcast and basically nobody ever even read it, then hell yeah, then you can do your thing, but this is a HUGE move big guy. I dont think your doing the right freaking thing Orange. Agrily- King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
So just becaude there are a bunch of books in the world means that this page should not be noticed!? King Rock Go 'Skins! 21:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Civility warning

For this edit[9]. Surely you know better than to use my talk page to complain about me to another Wikipedian. Wikidemo (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Second warning. Please stop trolling my talk page. These edits are simple harassment, not in good faith.[10][11] Wikidemo (talk) 00:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
No. I have a right to express my opinion about your uncivil behavior.--InaMaka (talk) 13:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Read WP:POINT. Misuse of our civility (or any other) policies in order to score "points" against another editor is inappropriate and disruptive. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest that you make that comment toward Wikidemo also, otherwise you are getting involved in a dispute between two editors and are attempting to intimidate me into backing down from from my contention that Wikidemo needs to engage in civil behavior also. Please read the rules for civility yourself.--InaMaka (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry this has spilled over to your talk page. InaMaka apparently copied the above discussion from my page to make some kind of point. He fixated on me and began to insert random pot shots in the middle of other people's discussions, after I reverted his attempt to insert a salacious degree of detail about a DUI arrest in a BLP article. The tit-for-tat argumentation style and parroting civility warnings and appeals to policy without really understanding them is familiar. I wonder if that's just the standard operating procedure for tendentious editors, or if we perhaps have a sock who has done this before under a different guise. I'm hoping he got the message and will stop trying to harass me after the squawking has died down. Thanks for noticing and, again, sorry if some of this trouble rubs off on you. Wikidemo (talk) 16:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Remember it requires two people for "tit-for-tat" arguments to continue. Wikidemo has obviously been participating also. I'm hoping that Wikidemo has got the message and he engages in more civil behavior.--InaMaka (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I have never been uncivil to this odd editor but he or she seems to want to have the last word. Not sure I can do much about that. Wikidemo (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


I see you got rid of some Vandalism on my page, Thanks for that. --Hibernian (talk) 02:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Garyskaff23

Please review Gary's edits. There were a few somewhat positive (or at least non-negative) edits early one, but now all the account does is waste everyone's time. I or someone else ends up reverting every edit. My question is: should this account get a longer term block (say a month) or should it get an indef block for persistent vandalism? I left a nice polite message, which didn't help. I'm very frustrated with Gary, so I thought that I should have someone else look this situation over. Royalbroil 14:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for dealing with Gary. I felt too biased against him to make a fair assessment because I spent time trying to work with him (which now feels like a complete waste of time). Whenever I approach you for a second/unbiased opinion, like I did this time, I want you to do what you think is just (like you did) and not pander to my opinion or suggestions. I'm able to stand up for myself (ofcourse) and I'm not scared to use the ban hammer. Royalbroil 20:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
To followup, the user got an indef block because of the vandalism and because they kept leaving unblock requests. I'm watching a probably sock who will get an indef if they do anything more on those same lines. Royalbroil 15:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Mike, do you mind giving the Clearspring page a look? I worked with a more experienced Wikipedia person in an IRC chatroom to make some changes. Would love to hear your thoughts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorpus (talkcontribs) 17:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Parker

Care to do the honors? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm, why are you deleting so many pages?

I made a page on one of my favourite authors, who has written a substantial amount of books and is in the process of making one of them into a movie. You deleted my first ever article, on which I spent ages writing, proof reading, adding referances and checking the guidelines for, and then I posted it, pleased with myself. I know Mr Lewis but I only spoke breifly about his family and personal life. Lots of authors pages are available on wikipedia, and I enclose a link to kevin lewis' site - and google - , which incase you try to delete that, is a search engine for you to look up Kevin Lewis on. I now have to rewrite the unsaved document and find all the information again, unless you'd care to do it for me. I'm very upset and confused, and a reply would be nice. Thank you. ps - some PEOPLE on wikipedia, who are just people. You might want to delete them aswell: The queen of england, JK rowling, Awful Tony Blair, Pathetic George Bush - your hero, Jesus, EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE ABOUT A PERSON ON WIKIPEDIA. I prove my point. Please retract the deletion or write a new article based on the site. Yours annoyed, (Hamsterdowns (talk) 21:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC))

Charles Augustus Hilton

I strongly disagree with your speedy deletion of Charles Augustus Hilton, the rationale for which you claimed was A7: no assertion of notability. That's precisely what many at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Augustus Hilton were debating: whether or not the article's claim to Hilton, New York being named after the subject made the subject notable enough for inclusion. By speedy deleting, you unilaterally made a decision that was contested in the same AFD that you posted in. I ask you to please reconsider your deletion of this page, as this was rather an abrupt and unexpected end to an ongoing community discussion. —  scetoaux (T|C) 21:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Charles Augustus Hilton

I have asked for a deletion review of Charles Augustus Hilton. Since you speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —  scetoaux (T|C) 23:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there

Hi OrangeMike. I'm the guy trying to get his talk pages deleted - I'm formerly Kek15 and currently an IP, but we don't need to go into the hows and whys. If you could at least delete the Kek15 talk pages - I wasn't sure what your edit summary meant. (Thumbs up or down on the deletion at kek15.

I also enjoyed checking out your talk page. Just wanted to mention one thing (as a former copy editor - 10 years). Re: the phrase "a historically black university" - that should be "AN historically black university."

Thanks - a fellow lefty - (formerly Kek15) (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Mike, I have already scrambled my password. Can't you tell through my IP that it matches the IP of Kek15 - otherwise check with Keeper76 - he will vouch that we are one and the same. Thank you. (talk) 20:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey OM, I'm pretty sure this is resolved now, see my talkpage for further dialogue if you wish, otherwise, what's done is done, time to move along. Cheers to all, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I loved that show "Win Ben Stein's Money." And Jimmy Kimmel was funny as heck. Did you have a good time doing the show? (talk) 13:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good experience - I give you credit for doing it. I have an old friend (MIT grad) who appeared on Jeopardy and didn't do that well - but he had a great time regardless. (Perhaps your sartorial splendor helped you to get on the show? And of course your brains.) (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
And I agree that Bush et al are war criminals. (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Flaming Thunder

Why did you delete the Flaming Thunder page? I put the hangon tag on it exactly as requested, I went to the talk page exactly as requested, left an explanation exactly as requested, waited for the feedback the message promised, and then both the page and the talk were deleted -- even though I was using existing pages on similar software (MatLab and Python) as my guidelines.

DavidBParker (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Flaming Thunder

I feel that I have adequately addressed your and FCSundae's concerns, and am willing add the information you requested and delete the wording you object to, so could you please restore the page? Thanks!

DavidBParker (talk) 19:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: The film is not notable, as far as I can see...

American Drug War: The Last White Hope won first place in four consecutive film festivals and was picked up by Showtime to air for the next two years. It's also currently airing on Australia's Foxtel channel. Esai Morales brought up the film on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher and his comments were the focus of a segment on Bill O'Reilly's Fox News show. All of this except for the festibal awards has happened in the last month or so. The film features interviews with numerous prominent individuals and is being privately shown in theaters by activist groups around the country. That's not notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EndTheDrugWar (talkcontribs) 19:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Taken to user's talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
As a general question re: film articles, what's the policy on ELs to IMDB? I notice you removed a great swathe of them from this article, including one to IMDB. As the standard reference database for films, this seems to be one justifiable case for EL. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
You're right about the IMDb link, Andy; I've restored that one (good catch). As a rule, while IMDb is not considered a reliable source, most film and many actor articles do have external links to the relevant IMDb article. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

YouTube links / "promotional look" questions

Is a link to only the trailer on YouTube okay? I've seen that on other wiki's incuding Super High Me.

Also, I'm not sure why it looks promotional? Any suggestions for a change? Thanks again. EndTheDrugWar (talk) 22:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Dan Youra Studios Inc.

Is there anyway I can get the original work for the article [[Dan Youra Studios Inc. place in my sandbox so I can have a chance to rewrite it show the notability of the organization? Jwsnyder101 (talk) 16:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me

I recreated the page on color blind racism, but I am not the original user who made the page. I got rid of the deletion tag saying that I would have the page completed by next thursday. I understand that the previous page for color blind racism was a pos, but I don't plan on making empty promises for 4 months or whatever that guy did. You could at least give me until next friday to delete my page. Especially since the deletion tag said that if I provide a rebuttal to the deletion proposal, the tag would not be reassigned.

I'm still a n00b at wiki however, so if I violated some law please let me know so that I may avoid it in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wojci028 (talkcontribs) 01:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


Landover Baptist Church needs a revert again, someone made it out to be a real church. - (talk) 05:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

LNWR 2-2-2 3020 Cornwall & others

Information.svg I noticed the message you recently left to a newcomer. Please remember to try not to bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it. Thank you.

Once again, another newbie appears on wikipedia, creates an article and you slap them straight in the face with a "speedy delete". What sort of impression do you think this creates? We're supposed to be creating something here, not seeking better and faster reasons to delete it! They're not good articles, so why not suggest how they might be improved? They're certainly not "problem" articles where it's important to kill them as fast as possible. At least give them the grace of an AfD and consensus discussion (remember those?) with sufficient time for the relevant community or project to have some discussion as to whether they're notable topics. Subjects have notability, not articles. The quality of an article is no reason to delete it for non-notability - we can always work to improve them instead. Indecent haste to delete by admins hanging on the new creations list is contrary to the whole community ethos.

As to notability, then two of these articles have a claim to notability on the basis of the engine being preserved today, a rarity, thus of at least some concrete notability. We don't have so many surviving and working steam engines that we've a surplus.

Cornwall though is another matter. She was a famous engine in her day, she was so famous when obsolete that she became an extremely rare early preservation, even at a time when we were over-run with engines. If for no other reason, she'd still be notable today even if she'd gone to the scrapper in the '60s. Once again, you're too quick to dive in and speedy an article because you have no idea of its value, and acting in a way that reduces anyone else's opportunity to become involved. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I am going to raise this at a hiogher level, probably on the Admins review page. The reason given for the speedy deletion was that is did not meet the minimum standards for a Stub. Having looked at the article, I feel this needs to be challenged, as the article was a lot longer than just a few sentences, and it had numerous references. I think this needs closer scruntiny by other admins to determine if the editor that placed the tag can justify his reasons, as I think they are unsound. The issue of notability is a possible justification, but not meeting the requirements for a stub is not. Olana North (talk) 07:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

GWR 4900 Class 4942 Maindy Hall

I see that for this one you not only tagged it for speedy deletion, but you went ahead and deleted it anyway. A question - When did you tag this for deletion, when did you notify the user's talkopage and when did you actually delete it? This seems like an especially speedy deletion.

I also note that the claimed justification for speedy deletion was "(A1: Not enough context to identify subject)", which is patently untrue for an article that gave both the locomotive's name and serial number. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The editor who tagged that one for deletion was not I, but rather User:I feel like a tourist. As to context: it was only after examining several other articles created by this editor that I finally deduced that the GWR 4900 was a locomotive. There was nothing in the article I deleted to tell me that. ("Maindy Hall" sounds like a college building.) --Orange Mike | Talk 21:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
so you could have added the phrase, "is a locomotive" to clarify the article. and then, if you chose, nominated it for AfD. DGG (talk) 22:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
But I didn't reach that conclusion until long after the article was deleted. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The perfect reason not to delete too quickly. Mind if I quote? (smile) DGG (talk) 15:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

On that US-centric basis, am I justified in deleting all the baseball articles, because they make no sense to me? The article has a good name within the naming conventions of its context. "GWR" and "Hall" are an immediate indication as to just what it is by anyone remotely familiar with the area. What's wrong with labelling it as "uncategorized", something that's a positive indication as to the sort of improvements it needs. Once again, don't make claims of lack of subject notability, based on the fluid status of an article's content. Content can be improved - that's what we're here to do. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Can I just confirm the timing here: you allowed three whole Earth minutes (19:20 to 19:23, AFAICS) for an interested author or newbie creator to apply a hangon template. For a non-controversial, non-damaging article that has been tagged with a now obviously rather controversial "speedy deletion". Just what was the hurry here? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Flaming Thunder

Thank you for checking the page out and for the tip on references. I'm still in the process of editing it (probably another couple of days worth to go) now that I have a better idea (thank you to yourself and FCSundae) of what constitutes an acceptable Wikipedia page. I also started a sandbox version for DPGraph, which I haven't done much with yet.

DavidBParker (talk) 15:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

T Power

Hey, I restored T Power because a user on the talk page linked to a BBC review of the artist's music.-Wafulz (talk) 16:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Jody Watley Millenium Collection

Hi -- is there a reason you deleted the Millenium collection entry I was building for Jody Watley? (Mirror Ball 16:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC))

Yes. The sole author blanked out the page; that is considered a request that the page be deleted, and I fulfilled the author's request. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

My bad -- my fault. Lol. I was trying to clean it up and got messy. My apologies. (Mirror Ball 17:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC))

Source Citing Question

I linked to a page on Amazon of a book that was the source for the citation. Is it okay to use a book as a source? If yes, how should I do that? Thanks again! - EndTheDrugWar (talk) 18:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of XtremeData

You've deleted my article on XtremeData. Did you read what I wrote in its discussion page? I've provided justification why it's notable, and A7 rule you site says that "important or significant" standard is lower than "notability". Lots of 3rd party coverage and multiple mentions on Wikipedia pages, both several years old, make the subject notable. What don't you agree with? Oxda (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I quote from Wikipedia:NN: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable." Yes on all counts (do a search for "XtremeData" in Google News). Since most articles are of the type "how great this product is", I thought that from the neutrality perspective it would be best to include that on the discussion page rather than the article itself. About your requirement that the article is written by someone without a COI, it's not supported by Wikipedia:COI. Edits by editors with COI while discouraged, are allowed. I've read the requirements, and believe that the article was proper. And besides, who other than people involved with a company or organization are in a better position to provide accurate information? Oxda (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for XtremeData

An editor has asked for a deletion review of XtremeData. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Oxda (talk) 00:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Olympic Peninsula Directory and Map (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi. While patrolling CAT:CSD, I removed the {{db-spam}} tag that you added to Olympic Peninsula Directory and Map because I do not believe it meets the criterion. When I looked at the history and saw you were the one that added it, I was kinda curious - as an admin, if you feel it meets the criterion, you can simply delete it. --B (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider this Article (do not delete it) it was about to be wikified.

The original article:

Carlos Nemer Carlos Nemer (Espírito Santo, Brasil) is a university professor at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro-UFRJ) in Industrial Engineering Department (DEI) and at Universidade Estadual do Rio de Janeiro (UERJ). Professor Nemer holds three undergraduate degrees: Civil Engineering major in Environmental Science (Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro-PUC-RJ), Architecture and Urban Design (Faculdade de Arquitetura e Urbanismo-Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro-FAU-UFRJ) and Law/Environmental law (Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro-PUC-RJ). He also has two graduate degrees: Master of Science in Systems engineering from Instituto Militar de Engenharia-IME (dissertation topic: a linear programming model related to fleet planing process including a field application for the brazilian truck transportation industry) and a MBA in Corporate Finance at Fundação Getulio Vargas-FGV-RJ. His fields of expertise include:

   * Economic system Engineering;
   * Financial Engineering;
         o Corporate_Finance;
         o Project Finance;
   * Enterprise Application Integration (EAI);
   * Computer Systems applied to Industrial Engineering;
   * Environmental Science;
   * Organizational Innovation.

His personal interests are soccer playing (he pushes for Clube de Regatas do Flamengo (Flamengo Football Club)), Chess, Greek Mythology and Science Fiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colatina (talkcontribs) 20:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Prof. Carlos Nemer

Hi Orange Mike! You simply deleted an article about a person very known in Rio de Janeiro Brazil. Why did you do this, I am a great admirer of Wikipedia project and I simply do not see any reason for that. I am editing the article and I am going to insert as I was doing new references, so could you please remove the deletion tag? Prof. Carlos Nemer is involved on establishing wikipedia project at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro he is also responsible for some very ongoing international projects with United Nations branch for Industrial Development Organization. Best regards, Carlos Vieira —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colatina (talkcontribs) 20:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The Mannerscast Article you deleted


I'm confused. I thought I asserted the importance of my subject. Could you please tell me something like what you'd like to see for me to put in there to avoid speedy deletion next time? Thank you.

Sincerely, Link+Zelda4ever 21:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Link+Zelda4ever (talkcontribs)

Paulville, Texas

I have just created a new article at Paulville, Texas, and wanted to invite you and a handful of other friends to have first crack at helping to improve it. Cheers! JJB 21:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Reseda Beach

How can you think this a speedy A3? Please restore it and send it to prod or something. I dont know enough even to tell if its any good, & I trust your judgement there, but it does not seem empty. And we were getting along so well... :) DGG (talk) 04:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Doctor (comics disambiguation)

A page that has been undeleted as correction of an out of process deletion is never uncontroversial. Your immediate undeletion will assure me you understand your responsibilities as an admin.
--Jerzyt 20:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

  • While i don't intend to continue ignoring your confusion, and while i hate repeating myself:
When one person says something is uncontroversial, and another denies that, are you really confused about which one is right?
--Jerzyt 04:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Well. I realized, coming down the stairs this morning, that i'd set a trap for you: when i undeleted the page, i should have had the presence of mind to remove the bogus tag immediately. (I'd like to think that that would have occurred to me a lot earlier, had i not been absorbed in composing a (still unfinished) explanation for the first admin who did what you did. And then, of course, further distracted.)
I also failed to visualize your situation accurately: it matters so seldom, that i forget the edit-history page's spec'n lapse, in so thoroly deprecating the significance of the page's log entries -- which probably should be, as default, interleaved with the edit entries, if only for convenience and clarity. In retrospect, i realize i was being pretty cryptic in treating it as obvious that you'd seen the deln log of the page.
At the moment, i have to gather my climbing gear and keep a gym commitment to my love and a few other refugees from the rain. But i'll offer up the deconfusion i've been promising, probably in the next 12.
Thanks for your patience, or restraint, as the case may be.
--Jerzyt 17:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • On the other hand, the bog, that your only response to date leads into, turns out to be ever deeper as it is illuminated. This will take longer than i had hoped.
    --Jerzyt 09:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Le Chic

I would like to know exactly why did you delete my article of Le Chic, please help me because i'm completely impressed. bupasival (talk) 15:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yahoo! Fantasy Sports

You're an admin, perhaps you can help. You were in the first AfD discussion of this page. You said the page needed drastic cleanup to remain a page on Wiki. Over the last 4 months nothing has been done to fix it. User:RoyalBroil wanted it to stay, but admitted in the first discussion there was not enough material to fix the page to have it stand alone without it looking like an advertisement which it does right now. Now a lot of people think it should stay simply because its notable. But I think someone should act on that merger tag. Its been sitting there for months and nothing has been done. I think the lead should be moved to a section under Yahoo! Sports, and the remainder of the article should be deleted as it is a clear violation of Wiki policy. WP:NOT /Sales Catalog. If you could help that would be great. The discussion is below:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yahoo! Fantasy Sports (3rd nomination) -GoHuskies9904 (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


Check out my editor review thanks King Rock Go 'Skins! 03:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 04:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

User:DavidBParker at COI noticeboard

Hi, I have reported User:DavidBParker to the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard, in case you would like to participate in the discussion. silly rabbit (talk) 12:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Le chic

I just want to know why did you delete my article... bupasival (talk) 15:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Block of User:JudicialWatch

Hi Mike, thanks for blocking this guy. He was repeatedly harassing me over trivial issues. --Eastlaw (talk) 03:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)