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• Archive 1: January 27, 2005 – May 23, 2005
• Archive 2: May 23, 2005 – April 5, 2008
• Archive 3: April 5, 2008 – December 7, 2011
• Archive 4: December 7, 2011 – February 1, 2013

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slUporabnik govori slovenščino kot materni jezik. en-3This user can contribute with an advanced level of English. fr-2Cet utilisateur peut contribuer avec un niveau intermédiaire en français. de-2Dieser Benutzer hat fortgeschrittene Deutschkenntnisse.

the Inner Carniola > Inner Carniola

Hi, the Inner Carniola categories that you've been working on should appear without the article the: "Geography of the Inner Carniola" > "Geography of Inner Carniola", "Caves in the Inner Carniola" > "Caves in Inner Carniola", etc. Thanks, Doremo (talk) 11:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, will fix it. Thanks for the information. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 11:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Pivka: traditional region

Pivka and its surroundings still belong to Inner Carniola in the semi-official regionalization scheme of Slovenia (although it's slightly controversial). By what rationale did you put Lake Palčje in Littoral again? — Yerpo ^Eh? 13:14, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Possibly. I'm going to verify this in 'Slovenija: pokrajina in ljudje' that contains a map of traditional regions. I'll undo my edit until then. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 13:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Sv. names

Hi, Thanks for updating the Sveti/Sv. names. I think it will be best to add "(an abbreviation of Sveti Boštjan)" etc. in the ledes because otherwise the name will be unpronouncable to non-Slovene readers (they won't know if it's pronounced "svet" or "sveti" or "sveta", and probably not even that it stands for svet-). Doremo (talk) 12:29, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, will add it. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 12:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. "Sv. Ema" is a good example—I think an English reader would hesitatantly say "Svema" if trying to say it. :-) "Sv. Petra Hrib" is another good example; a reader semi-familiar with Slovene would probably think it's "Sveta Petra Hrib" (i.e., named for a female saint). Doremo (talk) 12:39, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Hyphens

Hey. Just wanted to say that some things, like Municipality of Gorenja Vas–Poljane, should probably have a little hyphen instead of a dash, so it's easier to link to (see WP:HYPHEN). I could move them myself but I think I can't see the move button since I'm a new user. I've been working on some links relating to Slovenian stuff, so that's how I found it. --Twilightstorm (talk) 06:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

There's a discussion of this somewhere with examples that I'd like to link, but I can't find it (maybe Eleassar can). The dash is correct: English uses dashes to connect proper names (e.g., Stefan–Boltzmann constant) and especially to connect compounded open compounds like Gorenja Vas–Poljane. Links can easily be made by copy-pasting from the article titles. Doremo (talk) 07:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

There are some good examples here (e.g., Minneapolis–Saint Paul). Doremo (talk) 07:25, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:Logar Valley

Category:Logar Valley, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Šmarna Gora District

Could you as an admin move Šmarna Gora (district) to Šmarna Gora District, so it would agree with the others inside Category:Districts of Ljubljana? JelgavaLV (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Eleassar ^{my talk} 22:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hvala. JelgavaLV (talk) 22:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Slovene municipality names

Eleassar, the user JelgavaLV has made extensive changes to the Slovene municipality articles without broader consensus (there have been only three editors in the discussion) and without demonstrating that X Municipality is more frequent in native English toponymy. I've provided evidence to the contrary here. In any case, I'd like to see more editors participate in the discussion before a sweeping style change is introduced. I would appreciate your commentary on the matter. Doremo (talk) 03:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I see. Although I think the style X Municipality is ok (it certainly seems like an established Wikipedia convention), I have to agree that it has been done without a broader consensus and due to the sheer number of edits without a broader community input and in spite of the opposition has been disruptive. I suggest that you restore the original state and post a request for comment to gain the opinion of more editors. If they agree with you that the 'Municipality of X' style should be used and the editor continues to edit tendentiously, you should seek input at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. If a wider consensus forms that 'X Municipality' is to be used, it should be respected though. In any case, I'd appreciate if you tried first to resolve the matter at the user's talk page. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 07:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. Doremo (talk) 11:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Eleassar, after I said I would volunteer to fix links and categories you said you are fine with the style change [1]. There is only Doremo trying to force what he feels to be correct into the Wikipedia. If he only would have been from South Africa, maybe best from Overstrand Municipality! I am also working on giving you more evidence for the claim that hundreds of authors agreed to use "X Classname". I prefer to have all the talk at Talk:Municipalities of Slovenia so others can find it easily in one place and give input. JelgavaLV (talk) 08:20, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Eleassar. There's been no objection to the proposal to restore the previous municipality names and post a request for comment, so I've started that process. However, I'm unable to move the articles back (e.g., "Ajdovščina Municipality" → "Municipality of Ajdovščina") because of the page that already exists there, and so it needs administrator help. Could I ask you to assist me with the page moves when you have time? There are only about 130 (not 212) because not all the municipality articles have been created yet. Doremo (talk) 04:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I've been thinking of restoring the original state myself, but have decided to give JelgavaLV the opportunity to demonstrate the consensus for the proposed renaming or put them back himself. I don't see any good in moving these articles back now and again to the proposed 'X Municipality' style a week later after a potential RFC. JelgavaLV has not edited Wikipedia for a few days now, which seems too little to me; it's not necessary for an editor to be present at Wikipedia incessantly without a break. I'll wait at least 14 days (as has been the standard e.g. also with category renames at Commons); if he does not come back or comment again on this matter in this time period, I'll move back the rest (if I don't, feel welcome to remind me about this). --Eleassar ^{my talk} 08:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I hadn't been aware of that standard. I will also wait 14 days before making any additional changes related to this topic. Doremo (talk) 08:38, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Doremo on my user talk

You seem to have a better relation with Doremo. Can you please tell him to stop editing my user talk? You are welcome to comment there or here. I feel really annoyed by that user. JelgavaLV (talk) 09:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you can tell him this yourself. As to the removal of material from your talk page, the guideline is clear: "Policy does not prohibit users, whether registered or unregistered users, from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. The removal of material from a user page is normally taken to mean that the user has read and is aware of its contents. There is no need to keep them on display and usually users should not be forced to do so."[2] --Eleassar ^{my talk} 09:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I understand that as "No". Thanks anyway. JelgavaLV (talk) 11:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not interested in mediation. If you need a mediator, please use Wikipedia:Mediation. Thanks. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 11:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

No offense to JelgavaLV is intended; talk pages are an appropriate venue to discuss the edits of a user. JelgavaLV: in addition to my request not to delete others' comments, please also note the WP guideline "naming (other users) in the heading is especially egregious, as it places their names prominently in the Table of Contents". This should be avoided in the future. Doremo (talk) 09:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Your edits have been beyond offending, telling me not to delete your comments without citing a policy etc. Ignoring that I told you that I prefer to have the talk regarding the municipalities at the article talk page. Discussing user edits on user talk? - All edits are of users, and by going from a article talk to user talk, you turned a content dispute in a user issue. I have no interest in that. And NEWTOPIC says "A heading should indicate what the topic is" - exactly that is what I did here. You complain being seen in the ToC, but you yourself are the one using whole user pages for disputes and in each edit my user name is seen and all the dispute attached to my user talk. And now one little section headlines makes you throw another guideline at me. JelgavaLV (talk) 11:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The heading link is well-intentioned advice, and I did provide links to No personal attacks and Others' comments. I should have referred to them as "guidelines." It is quite normal to contact a user at his or her talk page to discuss the user's edits. However, I don't think that Eleassar's talk page is an appropriate place to continue this discussion. Doremo (talk) 11:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 11:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

2cellos

Since you are not replying on the talk page i will post here,do not change the page anymore or i will report you the next time you do. Wikipedia is based on facts not your wishes, their official pages have been updated,have a look for yourself : http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info , http://www.2cellos.com/us/biography. You have been warned.