Talk:Cat

What a ridiculous picture

Is it really neccessary to include a picture of a cat eating a rabbit's face? I get it, they're predators and disruptive to wildlife, but a photo like that is just inflammatory that incites hate not knowledge.

I mean 4.7 million people are bitten by dogs each year, I don't see a single photo of a dog bite on the dog Wikipedia page. Meme3234 (talk) 05:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Because it's in a section titled "Impact on prey species", and a photo like that I think is perfectly appropriate to illustrate cat predatory behavior. For comparison, the article Lion includes two pictures of lions around dead prey carcasses.—Kelvinsong (talk) 13:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

The picture is disgusting and extremely disturbing to unsuspecting users. Surely a less disturbing photo can get the point across just as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.56.186 (talk) 06:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree it's disgusting, but that's a subjective judgment on my part, as it is on yours. Kelvinsong is quite right about the parallel with the lion article. To expand on that a little, cats and lions are both members of the same family, and both species are fierce carnivores, so it actually would be rather odd not to depict that fact for both of them. Wikipedia articles—including their illustrations—should reflect reality, not a sanitized version of reality, and certain aspects reality are often quite disgusting. Some people probably don't find it disgusting at all. (And presumably it's not disgusting to cats!) That said, you're free to propose a specific replacement image. Rivertorch (talk) 12:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

What about this picture is disgusting? 62.196.17.197 (talk) 09:43, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 July 2013

If its not a problem please add a illustration:"Diagram of the skeleton of a cat" to section: Anatomy

Diagram of the skeleton of a cat

A – Cervical or Neck Bones (7 in number). B – Dorsal or Thoracic Bones (13 in number, each bearing a rib). C – Lumbar Bones (7 in number).D – Sacral Bones (3 in number).E – Caudal or Tail Bones (19 to 21 in number).

1 – Cranium, or Skull.
2 – Mandible, or Lower jaw.
3 – Scapula, or Shoulder-blade.
4 – Sternum, or Breast-bone.
5 – Humerus.
6 – Radius.
7 – Phalanges of the Toes.
8 – Metacarpal Bones.
9 – Carpal or Wrist-bones.
10 – Ulna.
11 – Ribs.
12 – Patella, or Knee-cap.
13 – Tibia.
14 – Metatarsal Bones.
15 – Tarsal Bones.
16 – Fibula.
17 – Femur, or Thigh-bone.
18 – Pelvis, or Hip-bone.

Przemek Maksim (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. My take: it's a good image but better suited for Cat anatomy (where in fact it's already found). It's really too large with all its numerical key to fit comfortably in the anatomy section, which is only a summary of what's in the separate anatomy article anyway. Rivertorch (talk) 19:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Possible photo for gallery

Two cats trying to figure out how to open a door.

I thought this photo of two cats, trying to figure out how to open a door, might illustrate curiosity, and be suitable for gallery. Wondering what others think.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I like cats, so I'm prejudiced in favor of photos like that one. I guess I have some reservations about it, though. For one thing, it's dark and a little blurry; this might be fixable, but as is it doesn't look good in thumbnail form. Secondly, what it illustrates is basically that the cats are curious about something on the other side of the door. The photographer may know that they wanted to open the door, but it doesn't specifically illustrate that very well. Rivertorch (talk) 13:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Seconding Rivertorch... If I'd seen the picture without the above commentary, I'd think the cats were investigating a noise (or something)... nothing here to suggest the cats are trying to figure out how to open the door. Sorry. --Seduisant (talk) 15:13, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanx for your views. I'll take this up with the kittie's agents who promised ("guaranteed"! was the exact word) that these cats were photogenic, plus I'll write a letter of complaint to the photographer, easy, since it was me.:)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

If you could get one of them to reach a paw towards the doorknob, that would be really cool. Rivertorch (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Lead section

The lede is more than four paragraphs. Per WP:LEAD, the introduction must be no more than four paragraphs. --George Ho (talk) 17:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

"domestic cats are perfectly capable of surviving in the wild."

This statement should be deleted because, while narrowly true, it is a huge disservice to the cats who will be abandoned because the abandoner thinks "in the wild" means "outside" and "perfectly capable" means "all of them do". Most don't: "Pet cats that are abandoned will not easily fend for themselves outdoors. Unfortunately, most of these cats and their offspring will suffer premature mortality (death) from disease, starvation, or trauma."(http://www.state.nj.us/health/animalwelfare/stray.shtml)98.118.24.253 (talk) 11:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you think it would help if the adverb "perfectly" were removed? I think it would. I see your point, but the main gist of the sentence has to do with cats' not having evolved after domestication. Rivertorch (talk) 16:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Classification based on human interaction

This whole box should just be removed as its information is just completely false and promotes a misunderstanding of the concepts it mentions. Pedigree has nothing to do with human interaction beyond breeding, a feral cat can be pedigree as the term has to do with it's breeding/looks and not training/behavior. As well Feral cats also include any domesticated cat placed in wild conditions, it's socialization level has no impact on if it is feral or not. A cat that lives completely wild but likes to hang out around people is still feral.

Edit request on 18 September 2013

With the recent rise in cases of permithrin poisoning in cats in the uk, may I poiltely suggest the following addition in the poisoning section please?

Permethrin is approved for small animal flea control, large animal topical fly control, crops, ornamental plants and human use. Permethrin is found in shampoos, dips, foggers, spot-ons, and sprays for small animal use but can be toxic to cats in very small doses. Despite this it is still often marketed for flea control for cats in the form of powders or collars. The lethal dose can be as low as 10mg/kg, collars contain up to 18% or 460+mg

source:

81.99.105.114 (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done. — Reatlas (talk) 10:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Feline Embryology

This article doesn't provide much information on the pregnancy of cats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CensoredScribe (talk • contribs)

Philodendron

I read the wikipedia page for Philodendron, and it says that there is not necessarily evidence of the plant being toxic to cats; however, in this article, it states that it is toxic. I think that claim should be removed.

--thujone -- 21:53, 28 September 2013‎ 76.169.139.212

These sources—[1][2]—indicate that the toxicity is there but cats don't usually consume enough to suffer renal failure. Both articles probably could make that clearer. Rivertorch (talk) 07:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Milk

Why people used to feed cats with milk?

What a ridiculous picture

Is it really neccessary to include a picture of a cat eating a rabbit's face? I get it, they're predators and disruptive to wildlife, but a photo like that is just inflammatory that incites hate not knowledge.

I mean 4.7 million people are bitten by dogs each year, I don't see a single photo of a dog bite on the dog Wikipedia page. Meme3234 (talk) 05:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Because it's in a section titled "Impact on prey species", and a photo like that I think is perfectly appropriate to illustrate cat predatory behavior. For comparison, the article Lion includes two pictures of lions around dead prey carcasses.—Kelvinsong (talk) 13:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

The picture is disgusting and extremely disturbing to unsuspecting users. Surely a less disturbing photo can get the point across just as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.56.186 (talk) 06:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree it's disgusting, but that's a subjective judgment on my part, as it is on yours. Kelvinsong is quite right about the parallel with the lion article. To expand on that a little, cats and lions are both members of the same family, and both species are fierce carnivores, so it actually would be rather odd not to depict that fact for both of them. Wikipedia articles—including their illustrations—should reflect reality, not a sanitized version of reality, and certain aspects reality are often quite disgusting. Some people probably don't find it disgusting at all. (And presumably it's not disgusting to cats!) That said, you're free to propose a specific replacement image. Rivertorch (talk) 12:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

What about this picture is disgusting? 62.196.17.197 (talk) 09:43, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 July 2013

If its not a problem please add a illustration:"Diagram of the skeleton of a cat" to section: Anatomy

Diagram of the skeleton of a cat

A – Cervical or Neck Bones (7 in number). B – Dorsal or Thoracic Bones (13 in number, each bearing a rib). C – Lumbar Bones (7 in number).D – Sacral Bones (3 in number).E – Caudal or Tail Bones (19 to 21 in number).

1 – Cranium, or Skull.
2 – Mandible, or Lower jaw.
3 – Scapula, or Shoulder-blade.
4 – Sternum, or Breast-bone.
5 – Humerus.
6 – Radius.
7 – Phalanges of the Toes.
8 – Metacarpal Bones.
9 – Carpal or Wrist-bones.
10 – Ulna.
11 – Ribs.
12 – Patella, or Knee-cap.
13 – Tibia.
14 – Metatarsal Bones.
15 – Tarsal Bones.
16 – Fibula.
17 – Femur, or Thigh-bone.
18 – Pelvis, or Hip-bone.

Przemek Maksim (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. My take: it's a good image but better suited for Cat anatomy (where in fact it's already found). It's really too large with all its numerical key to fit comfortably in the anatomy section, which is only a summary of what's in the separate anatomy article anyway. Rivertorch (talk) 19:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Possible photo for gallery

Two cats trying to figure out how to open a door.

I thought this photo of two cats, trying to figure out how to open a door, might illustrate curiosity, and be suitable for gallery. Wondering what others think.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I like cats, so I'm prejudiced in favor of photos like that one. I guess I have some reservations about it, though. For one thing, it's dark and a little blurry; this might be fixable, but as is it doesn't look good in thumbnail form. Secondly, what it illustrates is basically that the cats are curious about something on the other side of the door. The photographer may know that they wanted to open the door, but it doesn't specifically illustrate that very well. Rivertorch (talk) 13:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Seconding Rivertorch... If I'd seen the picture without the above commentary, I'd think the cats were investigating a noise (or something)... nothing here to suggest the cats are trying to figure out how to open the door. Sorry. --Seduisant (talk) 15:13, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanx for your views. I'll take this up with the kittie's agents who promised ("guaranteed"! was the exact word) that these cats were photogenic, plus I'll write a letter of complaint to the photographer, easy, since it was me.:)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

If you could get one of them to reach a paw towards the doorknob, that would be really cool. Rivertorch (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Lead section

The lede is more than four paragraphs. Per WP:LEAD, the introduction must be no more than four paragraphs. --George Ho (talk) 17:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

"domestic cats are perfectly capable of surviving in the wild."

This statement should be deleted because, while narrowly true, it is a huge disservice to the cats who will be abandoned because the abandoner thinks "in the wild" means "outside" and "perfectly capable" means "all of them do". Most don't: "Pet cats that are abandoned will not easily fend for themselves outdoors. Unfortunately, most of these cats and their offspring will suffer premature mortality (death) from disease, starvation, or trauma."(http://www.state.nj.us/health/animalwelfare/stray.shtml)98.118.24.253 (talk) 11:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you think it would help if the adverb "perfectly" were removed? I think it would. I see your point, but the main gist of the sentence has to do with cats' not having evolved after domestication. Rivertorch (talk) 16:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Classification based on human interaction

This whole box should just be removed as its information is just completely false and promotes a misunderstanding of the concepts it mentions. Pedigree has nothing to do with human interaction beyond breeding, a feral cat can be pedigree as the term has to do with it's breeding/looks and not training/behavior. As well Feral cats also include any domesticated cat placed in wild conditions, it's socialization level has no impact on if it is feral or not. A cat that lives completely wild but likes to hang out around people is still feral.

Edit request on 18 September 2013

With the recent rise in cases of permithrin poisoning in cats in the uk, may I poiltely suggest the following addition in the poisoning section please?

Permethrin is approved for small animal flea control, large animal topical fly control, crops, ornamental plants and human use. Permethrin is found in shampoos, dips, foggers, spot-ons, and sprays for small animal use but can be toxic to cats in very small doses. Despite this it is still often marketed for flea control for cats in the form of powders or collars. The lethal dose can be as low as 10mg/kg, collars contain up to 18% or 460+mg

source:

81.99.105.114 (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done. — Reatlas (talk) 10:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Feline Embryology

This article doesn't provide much information on the pregnancy of cats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CensoredScribe (talk • contribs)

Philodendron

I read the wikipedia page for Philodendron, and it says that there is not necessarily evidence of the plant being toxic to cats; however, in this article, it states that it is toxic. I think that claim should be removed.

--thujone -- 21:53, 28 September 2013‎ 76.169.139.212

These sources—[3][4]—indicate that the toxicity is there but cats don't usually consume enough to suffer renal failure. Both articles probably could make that clearer. Rivertorch (talk) 07:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Milk

Why people used to feed cats with milk?