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-- Now tagged in-line with failed verification and subscription required. – S. Rich (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic/memorial survivors section

The section with obit info about the survivors is off-topic and a violation of WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I propose that we retitle the section as "==Notable survivors==". That would limit us to survivors with articles. There are 32 pages in the Category:Bataan Death March prisoners, which would not be an excessive listing. – S. Rich (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)17:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC) 23:25, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Three weeks with no discussion. I've replaced the memorial listing with a bulleted list of linked articles. – S. Rich (talk) 20:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation

Large portions of the article appear to be lifted from this book. Like 88-91 ish. Oddly enough the one thing that actually cites the source the source doesn't actually say. Anyways I would love if someone feels like fixing it. [1] 24.237.65.191 (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged the page with a "non-free" template. Hopefully that will attract editors who know more about these things than I. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 01:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I skimmed through the book but could not tell which parts of the article are taken from it. Can you give some examples? --Yaush (talk) 15:38, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IP appears to refer to pages 88-91. I don't have access to those pages. @Yaush: do you? – S. Rich (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking at a copy at Google Books, which includes those pages. I'm seeing nothing worse than close paraphrasing. For example, the Aggie book has:

Given no food during the first three days of the march, the prisoners were allowed to drink only from filthy carabao (water buffalo) wallows. Starved and suffering from malaria, dysentery, and tropical diseases, the prisoners endured barbaric treatment from their captors. During the march, those who were left by the wayside were clubbed, beaten, bayoneted, and left to die. More than 9000 prisoners died on the march, including nearly 2300 Americans.

whereas the current Wikipedia version is

The Japanese failed to supply the prisoners with food or water until they had reached Balanga. Many of the prisoners died along the way of heat or exhaustion.[5] Prisoners were given no food for the first three days, and were only allowed to drink water from filthy water buffalo wallows on the side of the road. Furthermore, Japanese troops would frequently beat and bayonet prisoners who began to fall behind, or were unable to walk. Once they arrived in Balanga, the overcrowded conditions and poor hygiene caused dysentery and other diseases to rapidly spread among the prisoners. The Japanese failed to provide them with medical care, leaving U.S. medical personnel to tend to the sick and wounded (with few or no supplies).[

It's a moderately close paraphrase, perhaps closer than it ought to be, but a paraphrase nonetheless. Not a cut and paste copyright violation. --Yaush (talk) 00:29, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Preserving data for possible article

In the interests of WP:PRESERVE the following data about a book written by a Bataan survivor is provided. See: Sullivan, Christopher (2013). Padre of the Burma Road. Outskirts Press. p. 160. ISBN 978-1432798376. OCLC 860879762. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help). – S. Rich (talk) 03:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)23:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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It is hard to believe that the American government did not mention the March until 1944. Dyess mentioned it in 1943. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.252.226 (talk) 12:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relatives of those who died in 1942 would have noticed that they heard nothing from them long before 1944. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.252.226 (talk) 13:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, except that in wartime, relatives may have only had very general information as to where their soldiers were fighting. They may have sensed something was wrong but not necessarily because of the march.JodyB_talk 13:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See William Dyess.

Used by whom?

This paragraph is problematic: "The Bataan Death March and other Japanese actions were used to arouse fury in the United States.[1] It was not until January 27, 1944 that the U.S. government informed the American public about the march, when it released sworn statements of military officers who had escaped from the march.[2]"

Used by whom? As the paragraph itself points out, the U.S. Government suppressed news of the March for a number of reasons (including fear that it would imperil the "Germany First" policy.) Yes, the March was used to great propaganda effect once word got out, but there needs to be considerably more elaboration of this here. --Yaush (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]