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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Socialmedia2011 (talk | contribs) at 16:47, 11 December 2013 (→‎OrderUp). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Angel.com

Someone has located the article - it was "Angel.com" and I have userfied it for you to User:Socialmedia2011/Angel.com. Because it was recreated several times in 2009, this title was salted - protected from creation - by user Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk), so his permission will be needed before the article can be restored to the main space.

It seems from your user page and your conversations with Phearson that you are willing to learn and are approaching Wikipedia in the right spirit, but I should like to emphasise that the Wikipedia community is extremely resistant to the encyclopedia being used for any kind of promotion, and is deeply suspicious of paid editing of any kind. As long as you suggest changes rather than make yourself, declare your interest, and don't push, you should find people helpful - see WP:BESTCOI. The main difficulty professional PR people seem to have is that they are unable to switch off a promotional style and to avoid "peacock terms". (Last month someone told me "This is written with no promotional tone" about his article which included "phenomenally successful... obsessive and extensive knowledge of fashion design... revered for his rare ability... an arbiter of taste... his inventive images... ") You should imagine a hostile critic looking over your shoulder saying, at every claim you make, "Who says so? Can you prove it?" and need to make a positive effort to put out of your mind any idea that you are writing for your client. You are writing for Wikipedia, about your client, from outside.

WP:Corporations and the Community and WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide are worth reading carefully. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you sooo much for the help. It's way more important for us to have an accurate page up at all than it is to have a page that's written the way we want it, and we're very careful about making sure our clients understand this too. That's why I was seeking the help of a paid editor who understands the nuances of all this rather than trying to just do it myself. I know enough about Wikipedia to know that I don't know enough about Wikipedia to tackle this by myself. I actually first contacted Phearson because I didn't even know if I'd be able to edit a page on the behalf of someone at all.
The person who set this up originally was [[[1]] but as that page shows, it seems he no longer exists.
I'm really really new at this, so if you wouldn't mind providing some assistance, how would you suggest I proceed? Suggest changes on the user page? Head straight to Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) to talk to him about permission to restore the salted page?
As you can tell by even the company page title being Angel.com, which Angel doesn't use anymore, Angel has changed significantly (and grown considerably larger) since the last article was up. So I'll definitely be suggesting a lot of edits.
And I can see I've got quite a reading list, so I'll get crankin!
12.167.132.26 (talk) 21:16, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So as if to prove my point about how much of a Wiki-idiot I am, I couldn't even link to Kazuwiki (the last editor) correctly. It meant to link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kazuwiki, but it only shows that it's broken so not a big deal.
I also forgot to log in before I edited. Here's the real signature!
Socialmedia2011 (talk) 21:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On talk page conversations, the convention is to use indenting to make clear where a new contribution starts, by putting colon characters at the start of paragraphs. I have done that for your last. More for your reading list (that you may have read already):
As long as the draft is in your user space, there is no reason you should not edit it directly. It is when the question arises of moving it back to the encyclopedia that you need to be careful, declaring your interest and checking with Chase-me-ladies. If the company has a new name, it could go back with a new title, but you shouldn't use that to dodge the protection on the old title - still check. Ask Phearson for comments on your draft - I haven't time to get deeply into this one. You can also ask for comments by posting at WP:Requests for feedback - response time not guaranteed, they are all volunteers like everyone here.
One comment on the article, which I glanced at while userfying it - as someone not familiar with the field I was left not entirely sure what the company actually does. You should try to explain so that the general reader understands.
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know that this can be overwhelming, but understand that we are just trying to protect the wikipedia. Allow me to add my two cents: WP:PEW Phearson (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks JohnCD and Phearson ! I'm getting cracking. Socialmedia2011 (talk) 15:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

Just as a suggestion, try writing as if you are writing a research paper, and follow WP:MOS. Phearson (talk) 04:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Will do. Can't count on remembering everything in that manual on a first try but I'll do my best!
Socialmedia2011 (talk) 18:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited the page, it's here: User:Socialmedia2011/Angel.com. Any feedback is welcomed! Socialmedia2011 (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Requested AfC on your behalf. If submission is successful it will be created in mainspace. Phearson (talk) 21:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I think I'll actually take the mention of patents out as it seems a little ridiculous to link separately to the page for each one of them. Thanks so much for the help! Socialmedia2011 (talk) 21:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your article has been moved to AfC space

Hi! I would like to inform you that the Articles for Creation submission which was previously located here: User:Socialmedia2011/Angel.com has been moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Angel.com, this move was made automatically and doesn't affect your article, if you have any questions please ask on my talk page! Have a nice day. ArticlesForCreationBot (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

From User talk:Phearson in regards to your AfC, it was a success. Phearson (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Angel (company), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
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Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome! Thank you so much! Socialmedia2011 (talk) 15:23, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OrderUp

I have undeleted WP:Articles for creation/OrderUp. I agree with Kafziel, though, that the draft's tone is unduly promotional; in particular I'd say the repeated use of "allows" in the services section reads like something straight from their PR department. Also, the draft is rather short on hard facts such as revenues, the number of employees or the number of franchisees. That would be more important than details on what their mobile app looks like. Huon (talk) 22:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Indented line

Thanks so much for the feedback! I deleted some of the instances of "allows," I had not realized the repetition. I tightened up the part on the mobile app, and also added the number of sites (which has grown since the last publication that listed it, but that's the best that's out there). There aren't any recent sources that point to revenue or number of employees, whereas the mobile app garnished a lot of independent, national coverage. I'm a bit confused about the message that said that OrderUp does not meet notability requirements, as OrderUp has significant coverage from multiple national independent sources, as well as a lot of local and regional coverage. I'd really appreciate it if you could take another look, and thanks so much for undeleting the article. Socialmedia2011 (talk) 16:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: OrderUp (December 9)

Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit if you feel they have been resolved.

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Hasteur (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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