Talk:List of countries by minimum wage

Argentina

On August 26th, 2011, the minimum wage in Argentina raised to ARS 2300 (equal to 377 euros or 547 US dollars)

The Argentine annual minimum wage PPP is obviously wrong as it triples the nominal value. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.70.56.122 (talk) 16:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Australia

The Australian adult min wage is A$589.30 see: http://www.fwa.gov.au/index.cfm?pagename=minnatorders

This is A$30,741.82 pa. [Calculated on basis of 626 weeks in 12 years]

This needs to be updated?

203.10.76.95 (talk) 00:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

And also the gross annual wage (in international dollars) needs to be calculated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digmen1 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Portugal

Someone reverted the article about the minimum wage of Portugal. The minimum wage of Portugal is 475 euros payed in 14 installments which means effectively that it's about 554 euros a month. This data is on eurostat. I don't know who reverted to 450 euros. That's from 2008. 2010 will see a gradual increase to 500 euros (or 583 euros, taking into account the 14 installments). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.54.109.191 (talk) 15:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Estamos em 2011 e ainda só vamos em 485€... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.173.36 (talk) 00:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Page title

I think this should be called List of minimum wages by Country due to the sort ordering. -- cmh 03:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is an article on the minimum wage in Nigeria. http://www.redflag.org.uk/news/nigeria/wageleaflet.html

Ireland

I have updated Irelands score, it was way off. The minimum wage calculated now in Intl. dollars (see reference) should more accurately reflect the minimumwage in ireland now based on the 8.65 euro per hour score and 39 hours per week worked. Could someone please elaborate on how the old score was calculated ? It seems the IMF factor must have been over 1 which is incorrect as of 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.92.94.23 (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you only work half year in Ireland?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.173.36 (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

We should also use GNP per capita as a better measure of average income in Ireland's case. There are so many multinationals booking profits in Ireland and repatriating them that GDP is consistently about 25% higher than GNP. The GNP figure is the comparable measure of the income remaining in the country. Given that, the % the minimum wage against per capita income is not 49%, but 61%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WIKFMC (talk • contribs) 13:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Poor organization and consistency

This page lists minimum wages in so many different increments - by hour, week, month and year. I suggest that there should be a chart with headings: Country, Per Hour, Week, Month, Year, and then %GDP. All it would take is a lot of math. Conversely, if the minimum wages are mandated on a per week, month, or year basis then this should be noted somewhere, but as it is now this page has a chronic lack of consistency. LockeShocke 23:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thailand

Thailand's increasing their minimum daily wage to 300 baht in some regions, and to a lesser amount in others. Please investigate and update. Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/17/us-thailand-floods-idUSTRE79C0W720111017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.132.23 (talk) 02:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Turkey

CieloEstrellado, I do not know why did you revert them to back but please informed that Turkish minimum wage is increased to 693 Turkish Lira by July 1 2009 by council of ministers' decision (http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/ekonomi/genel/06/25/asgari.ucret.temmuzda.19.tl.artacak/532390.0/index.html). Moreover, we do not use the Turkish new Lira currency anymore.

Please stop reverting figures that you have not informed of. I take a look of this talk page and its not the first time you set back the figures people are updating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogussahin (talk • contribs) 15:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Irish minimum wage

The information on the Irish minimum wage is accurate; here is the source: http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/pay_and_employment/pay_inc_min_wage.html As I don't see links for sources on the main page, I am not going to add them to the page - I will let someone else do that if they feel it is appropriate. I also do not see sources for the rest of the wages, so why was it necessary to remove this and not them? Supersheep 00:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Previous comment retracted - I found the sources. My bad. I'm still going to leave the source here for the moment, as I don't know whether style mandates inclusion in the body or at the end. Supersheep 00:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Irish minimum wage is €8.30/hr (US$10.80), as of 1 January 2007. It will be going up to €8.65/hr (US$11.25) on 1 July 2007. The maximum amount of hours that may be worked are 48 per week. This means the minimum possible annual wage is, €20,716.80 (€21,590.40 from 1 July 2007). Whoever keeps reverting this, could you please stop it, as you are making it innacurate. Sources for this include: [1] (wage) and [2] (hours). Whoever can convert this to International Dollars [correctly, I understand now it is not the same as US$, inflation is involved?], feel free too. Thank-you. 86.153.166.153 15:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

GDP per capita source?

Where is the GDP per capita source included? Is it a publication or just a local list here in WP, such as List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita or List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita?

I propose that percentages of GDP should reference GDP (source) data (as such indicated above) somewhere in article intro or in a table cell. Otherwise, combining old and new data gives inconsistent results, which are wrong. GDP source data that is authoritative, newer and not from abovementioned articles should be referenced.
-Mardus 07:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree. But I don't have the time to help. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Denmark

There is no law re. minimum wages in Denmark, but the trade unions have agreements covering most sectors of trade & industry. -Feels good that in one of the richest countries in this world, actually the workers themselves makes the regulations re. salaries !

Would have signed this, but my DK keyboard hesn´t got any so-called tildes..... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.35.23.167 (talk) 15:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Under form submission buttons, there is a "Sign your username:" link. When you click on the four tildes link, you'll then get the corresponding signature tildes. -Mardus 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I've calculated the Danish "minimum" wage based on the negoatiation for 2009-2010 today. The result is:

(103.15 * 52 * 37) * Danish krone = 38 473.3735 U.S. dollars

103.15 dkk is the minimum hourly wage, Danes work 52 weeks per year and 37 hours per week (on average). But the value 38,473 dollars is a bit high - how would I go about converting it into international dollars ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.92.94.23 (talk) 14:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes it would be nice if there was an approximation in International dollars for the Danish minimum wage as it is an important country unsigned.

Polish minimum wage

There's a mistake in the table. It's written 899 PLN ($ 360) but this was a minimum wage for 2006. For 2007 it's 936 PLN ($ 375)and from January 1st. 2008 it will be 1126 PLN ($450). Please fix it.

• I have updated this data for the year 2007.

• I have updated this data for the year 2008 = it's 1126 PLN (450$) per month. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misiek889 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Brazil minimum wage

Minimum wage has increased to 415 reais (around 245 usd) on the 1st of March 2008. Adjusting % of per capita GDP (PPP) and Annual wage (Int. dollars) is still needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.21.29.66 (talk) 04:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Cuba

I'm Cuban and hereby say that the number in the site is quite adjusted to reality. So, why the rest of the numbers are not there? There are subsides to education and health care in many countries, and that's not reason to cloud the minimun wages there! Alcides (talk) 03:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Elaborate, please... ☆ CieloEstrellado 20:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Really. Cuba with 5,718 US dollars/year. This conversion has no sense. A Cuban get something like U$350.00/year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malves12 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Minimum Wage of Poland

Why has somebody changed the Polish minimum wage into 899 zloty? It's been 1 126 zl since January 2008! Update it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.242.11 (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Uruguay

Uruguay minimum wage as of January 1 2008: $UY 3.416 [3] --NaBUru38 (talk) 14:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Cyprus and Malta

they need to be updated. They both use the Euro now, not Maltese Lira and Cypriot Pound Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No Comparison

This is a great list, but there is no way to compare the rates based on cost of living, and no common denominator. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 12:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Elaborate, please... ☆ CieloEstrellado 20:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, It would be useful to see all these rates and to see them converted into US$ for example (common denominator). A new column added to show these figures would be handy. As for 'cost of living', whilst it would be useful, I think that is almost beyond the scope of this project. Stephenjh (talk) 23:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Chart

The chart goes by the first number in the number, not by highest or lowest number. Please fix this someone.Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Map?

Of any value?

Looks good to me ... LookingGlass (talk) 19:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Egypt Minimum Wages

the information as provided is verifiable; it states the exact reference law no. 53 of the year 1984, which is published in the Official Gazette. More information can be verified from http://ww.state.gov/g/hrrpt/2007/100594.htm and the ILO database, even though such source have reporting lag and are not official verifiable primary source.

Egypt is one of the countries that ratified the ILO Minimum Wage Fixing Convention, 1970 http://www.ilo.org/ilolex/cgi-lex/ratifce.pl?C131 and as such it has an obligation to estblish a system for Minimum wages that "shall have the force of law" according to the convention.

Please do not vandalize informative updates. Thanks.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.36.11.25 (talk) 07:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I assume your edits are in good faith, but unfortunately the info can't be verified online. ☆ CieloEstrellado 06:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorting glitch

There's some sort of glitch in the way the table sorts on Gross Annual salary. I haven't tried to fix it though, the table is a true labour of love and I am CERTAIN I'd mess it up. LookingGlass (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks as though the table thinks the entries are text instead of numbers and is sorting them accordingly. I don't know how to change this though. 84.12.252.210 (talk) 15:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and why not have just a number in a standard currency for the minimum wage column, and the comments in a seperate 'comment' column. Camcurwood (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I've edited the table to allow for proper sorting. All the sortable columns seem to sort correctly on my browser (Mozilla Firefox version 3.6.8), but I could certainly be overlooking something. Please report any sorting errors here. To maintain the correct sorting, please wrap numbers in the nts template without using thousands separators. For example, to enter an annual wage of $15,400, please use {{dts|15400}}. For dates, please wrap with the dts template, using year, year-month, or year|month|day. For example, to enter 2010, use {{dts|2010}}. To enter September, 2010, use {{dts|2010-09}}. To enter September 6, 2010, use {{dts|2010|09|06}}. --Greenbreen (talk) 13:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

N/A

AMBIGUOUS - Presumably "not available" but could also mean "not applicable" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.225.37.54 (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

New Discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Headline text

isn't it time to change the Maltan min. wage to euros from liras? --Egrian (talk) 16:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Bolivia's minimum wage has changed

Is now BOP 577.50 (77 US dollars) according to http://www.watsonwyatt.com/news/globalnews2.asp?nm=Latin%20America/Caribbean&ID=18890

I would update this, but I don't know how to convert it to International Dollars, etc.

The other updates on the website I shared should also be checked with what is currently on the main Wiki page.

Todayishere (talk) 21:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Conversion?

Could it be possible to have a conversion to $ and £? I dont know how easy this wouldbe but i'm sure it would be quite helpful Tomp94 (talk) 09:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Page is not very useful, since the wages can not be compared with different currencies. 192.87.123.159 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC).

There is a "Gross annual wage (Intl. dollars)" column for this purpose. ☆ CieloEstrellado 05:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

But that's 'annual wage' ... we didn't come here to see that, we came to see 'minimum wage' ... it's absolutely useless to have everything in different currencies. I don't know if 75000 of one currency is more or less than $2. Someone should convert everything. Dr. Universe (talk) 01:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It's as easy as typing "75000 *currency name* in usd" into Google. Pristino (talk) 04:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

intl dollars don't give real the picture. Only real dollars do131.180.140.21 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC).

France, Luxembourg

France has a minimum wage amounting to abour $25,000 per year, and luxembourg's is even higher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_law#European_Union

Add it to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha-ZX (talk • contribs) 14:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes it would be nice if there was an approximation in International dollars for the French minimum wage as it is a large important country — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digmen1 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

new table

add columns to the table to respresent mimimum wages in preceding years converted to euro's or dollars. (and possibly compraed to GDP) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.87.123.162 (talk)

Hourly Rates

The note

Annual wages were calculated by multiplying monthly wages by 12, weekly wages by 52 and daily wages by 5x52; a purchasing power parity (PPP) conversion rate from 2008 —obtained from the International Monetary Fund (IMF)'s World Economic Outlook Database, October 2008 Edition— was used to convert the annual wage from national currency to international dollars.

This doesn't mention how hourly rates (e.g. given from the UK, USA, Ireland) are/were converted in annual rates. --Neil (talk) 13:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

☆ CieloEstrellado 01:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Multiplying by 52 weeks gives an arbitrary amount as few people in Western nations work that amount. Salary convesrsion tables usually work on a basis of 40 working weeks per year. In addition, take the UK for example, the minimum wage (x5x52) gives a US dollar amount of just over 17,000. The figure given may be a national average, but this is supposed to be an article on "minimum wages", surely it would be more relevant to list the annual equivalent for someone on those minimum wages, not the average income for the nation as a whole... or maybe list both. However the table as is, seems to mix these two types of figures for the sake of completion. [User:Stephenjh|Stephenjh]] (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I was going to say something similar to the comments above. I would imagine that most 'minimum wage' jobs in the UK are not available for the legal maximum of 48hrs a way, and was contemplating suggesting that we use some constant value across all nations, like 40hrs (the classic '9-5' job, with no lunch) or 37.5hrs (as above, with a half-hour lunch-break).

How do these weekly and monthly minima work in practice? Are they based upon a 'full-time' occupation (35-48 hrs a week?), or a specified number of hours worked in a week? What would happen in practice were a person to work fewer hours than this; would the minimum not apply?

I wonder if it might not be possible to convert all the values into a 'per hour' rate, in addition to, or in preference to the annual rate, as in my naïve British mind this seems to be the most logical way to implement a minimum. --Neil (talk) 09:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Stephenjh: People don't actually work for 52 weeks in a year, but they are paid as if they did. Most civilized countries pay for rest periods, so their annual income should include all 52 weeks. Some European countries even mandate a 13th or 14th extra mont(hs) of pay, and this is reflected in the annual wage calculation.
Neil: I am assuming full-time work for annual wage calculation purposes. ☆ CieloEstrellado 14:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that those on minimum get paid "holiday pay", normally that applies to those salaried. Either way, the annual total given for the UK is not the annual total for one on minimum wages, it's the national average. Wouldn't it make more sense to convert these hourly rates to reflect the title of the article and not national averages? Stephenjh (talk) 09:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The "problem" with the UK figure is that it takes the 48 hours maximum workweek for the annual wage calculation. Maybe most people on the minimum don't work that many hours? ☆ CieloEstrellado 10:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem with UK figure is that is has nothing to do with minimum wages, it's a national average for everyone in the nation whether they earn minimum or not. Stephenjh (talk) 12:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying that because the annual wage derived from the UK minimum wage shown in this article resembles the UK national average wage, then it must be wrong? If so, what is the UK national average wage? The UK statistics office only publishes the "median" wage, which is useless (Edit: It's not useless per se. It's useless as a backing for your argument). I've seen on several web sites (one example) that the UK national average wage is above £30k, that makes it about $45k, which is about two times the amount shown in this article. Where are you getting your information from? ☆ CieloEstrellado 10:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[Remove Indent] I think you have Stephen's thoughts right there. The figure (c. £14,000 per annum) reads as too high for a person on the minimum wage. Would you object to replacing the 48h with the average hours worked, 31.7 hours [4], which gives a value closer to what I would expect a person on the minimum wage to actually earn, c. £9,500 per annum. [Oh, and the media figure is often a better way to characterise the 'average' wage of a nation as it reduces the impact of those few people who earn millions relative to the mean value. It of course depends upon what you are looking to do with the data.]

So you are telling me that in the UK it is not possible for a person working from 8 AM to 5:30 PM from Monday to Friday, yearlong, to earn the minimum wage? As for using the "average hours worked" figure for the annual wage calculation, I think that would be highly misleading, as we are only considering full-time work here. What would be really helpful to know is the standard number of hours worked during the week for the majority of full-time workers. ☆ CieloEstrellado 13:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Look what I found: The mean gross salary for full-time employees in the UK was £31,323 in 2008. For all employee jobs came to £26,020. (Source: BBC News.) Pristino (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Very similar table in Chilean daily today

A very similar table with sometimes the same figures as in this article appeared today in Chilean daily La Tercera (Page 36). Here's a snapshot. The wage has been changed to a monthly figure and it differs slightly from the annual wage here, if we were to divide it by 12, because they are using the IMF's April 2009 database, while this article uses the October 2008 database. The "% of GDP per capita" numbers are exactly the same. They only quote the IMF for the information, but it is obvious the idea and some of the data were lifted from this article. ☆ CieloEstrellado 13:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Morocco-Tunisia-Turkey

I think that Tunisia and Morocco have a same purchasing power, so, how explain that moroccan minimum wage is so low in this table ? 10,15/hour so by 45 hours : 1997/month, 23964/year, so in US$, it means aproximatly 3000 us$ a year; and for tunisia, or 48 hours, (more than 45)it is i think 252 dinar/month, so 3022 dn/year, it means 2236 us$ !!, I suppose that is maybe 440$/month in turkey, how explain the result : 7400$... if the purchasing power is maybe 40% (and in tunisia or morocco 20%)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.251.86.233 (talk) 06:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

UK minimum wage is inaccurate

The minimum wage in the UK based on 37.5 hours a week @ £5.80 GBP / hour (full time) is £11,310 GBP or $16,938 USD Gross annual wage, (see http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/hourly.php) and not the misleading 22,375 USD based on 48 hours a week (overtime - 6 days a week). Please do not include overtime! the numbers are misleading.

The Minimum wage in the UK (full-time job not including overtime) is $16,938 USD Gross annual wage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.147.207 (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the others--the UK minimum wage seems artificially high since it is currently based on a 48 hour work week. I found a website, [5], that says the average hours worked in 2007 in the UK was 36.5 for part-time workers and 42.1 for full-time workers. I was thinking of re-calculating the UK data based on a 40-hour work week, as this seems closer to what is actually worked. However, I'm American, and I probably have a 40-hour work week bias. I'd love to get comments from people who actually live and/or work in the UK. I'll wait a week or so for comments, and if I don't get any by then I'll go ahead with the change. --Greenbreen (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The 36.5 hour figure is *including* part-time workers, not solely for part-time workers. 37.5 hours a week (7.5 hours a day) is pretty standard for the UK.

It's still a slightly confusing figure as I would anticipate that most minimum wage jobs are part-time. But it's a more fair basis for comparison.--212.44.10.10 (talk) 08:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

You're right. In that case, I'll calculate it based on 37.5 hours/week unless anyone has any other suggestions or objections. --Greenbreen (talk) 15:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Still listed as a 48 hour week. Any reason not to change it as suggested above? 86.154.8.182 (talk) 02:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Mexico

The chart for Mexico is not the hourly wage. Rather it is the daily minimum wage based on a full days of work —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.72.126 (talk) 07:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Benin

The currently cited reference states that the monthly minimum wage is 30,000 CFA francs per month, but the text of the wikipedia article states it as 31,625 CFA francs per month. I was able to find websites that support this, but none of them say when that rate was in effect. Does anyone have a reference that clearly states that the current rate is 31,625 CFA francs per month? --Greenbreen (talk) 09:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Gabon

Apparently the minimum wage in Gabon was almost doubled for workers employed by private companies, but I couldn't find any info on how the new law affects wages paid to government employees. Here are two of the websites I found:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-26/gabon-almost-doubles-minimum-wage-for-private-company-workers.html
http://www.africagoodnews.com/economy/gabon-raises-minimum-wage-to-boost-purchasing-power.html

Does anyone have any other references that clearly show how the new law affects government workers? --Greenbreen (talk) 09:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Data for calculating % GDP per capita

There seems to be lack of consistency in calculating % GDP per capita. I had been going through and changing the data to use the IMF's data for 2009 GDP per capita at constant prices, but a recent edit seems to have used the 2009 per capita at current prices. After thinking about it a while, it seems like it may be more appropriate to use the current prices data. However, I have no formal education in economics, so I was hoping people more knowledgeable than myself could suggest the most appropriate data to use. Once there is a consensus on what data to use for the calculation, we can start going through and updating the %GDP column so that all rows use comparable data. --Greenbreen (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed Table is now using a consistent calculation for "annual wage" and "% of GDP per capita" columns. IMF's October 2010 database was used. Pristino (talk) 06:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Portuguese minimum wage

Portuguese minimum wage on the chart is outdated. Portuguese minimum wage, as of December 16th 2010, is at 475 euros/month. It's possible however an increase next year (2011) to 500 euros/month. Got a link here, but it's in portuguese (sorry foreign language users...) -> http://jn.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Nacional/Interior.aspx?content_id=1438779 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.75.120 (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Iran minimum wage

"3,030,480 Iranian rials per month or roughly US $ 303 per month; Revised annually. Gross minimum wage: 6,700 international dollars in 2009"

Something doesn't add up. The minimum wage of 303 USD seems plausible but where does the "6,700 intern-dollars" come from? It is impossible! Please make corrections. Thanks. 68.197.144.38 (talk) 00:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

If one is at current exchange rate and the other at PPP, then it must be properly explained AND sourced. 68.197.144.38 (talk) 00:09, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Names

The use of names seems to be inconsistent. Timor-Leste (official name but not what is used -- after a long and heated discussion -- on Wikipedia main entry), but South Korea (name used on Wikipedia main entry [after a less lengthy discussion] but not official name)Kdammers (talk) 23:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Large amounts of valid information were vandalistically removed in this edit, but there have been so many edits (with some piecemeal reinstating of information) since then that reverting in the normal way will be very laborious. Are there any tools which will assist in this task? I'm loath to put in the effort if there's an easier way of doing it. Vilĉjo (talk) 17:36, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

In 2012 I have several times updated the Cambodian, Thai and Vietnamese minimum wages, just to see the data reverted to the old and outdated data. Last time it was in this edit Again too many edits have happened since to reinstate the correct information automatically. CortoMal 14 June 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 09:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Foreign laborers

Add a checkbox to indicate if they apply to a country's foreign laborer population too. Jidanni (talk) 04:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Month/Hour

It would be helpful to have a column with monthly and hourly wages, as those are often used in various news pieces and such. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Germany: wrong information

"no statutory minimum wage, except for construction workers, electrical workers, janitors, roofers, painters, and letter carriers. Minimum wage is often set by collective bargaining agreements in other sectors of the economy and enforceable by law[10]"

The examples meantioned are indeed set by collective bargaining agreements which were declared enforceable by law. But this is the ONLY way in which minimum wages are set in Germany (and not "often"). There is no general minimum wage and there only a few industries which have a minimum wage - most indurstries don't have a minimum wage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.2.183.87 (talk) 16:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

It would be good if someone could add an approx minimum wage for Germany as a whole. It is such an important country that a figure is surely needed. Maybe just choose the one for Janitors, as they probably have one of the lowest pay rates in any country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digmen1 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Should this be updated to include the new Minimum Wage of €8.50/hr, or should it wait until it's fully implemented? 95.91.137.104 (talk) 01:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

In the comments section it's possible to state that the minimum wage will change to 8.50/hr in the future with a source given. In the actual number columns for consistency with the other data the minimum wage given should be the actual current minimum wage. Guest2625 (talk) 12:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The “48 hours work week” figure (source: U.S. State Department) seems rather theoretical to me. My understanding is that “48 hours” derives from the legal maximum (daily) work time (some exceptions exist in the law: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbzg/__3.html). But a typical weekly work time is 40 hours or a bit below, according to legally binding collective agreements (in some industries even only 35 hours). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.64.54.118 (talk) 17:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The 48 hour workweek is the only number that has a source currently. If you can provide a source that says the workweek is 40 hours than that new number could be included if it's from a more reliable source.Guest2625 (talk) 12:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Planning updates

I'm planning to update the data using the US State department's 2011 Human Rights Reports and the 2011 data from the IMF's World Economic Outlook Database, October 2012. I'll be making these changes in my sandbox first, then moving it to the article here when the changes are completed. If you have edits to make in the meantime, please go ahead and make them. I'll be watching the page and incorporating current, legitimate changes into the updated article. The time I have available to make the updates is limited, so I expect the changes will not be completed for a couple of months. Please feel free to view the sandbox version and make comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc. --Greenbreen (talk) 05:36, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I've started the process of updating the data within my sandbox, and I've run into an issue. As you can see here, there are 4 versions of the GDP per capita depending on whether you use the national currency or US Dollars, and whether you use constant or current prices. I have no formal training in economics and am not sure which is the most appropriate for this article. If I don't get any guidance, I'm planning to use national currency and current prices. I'm hoping that someone more knowledgeable about the subject will chime in, though. --Greenbreen (talk) 13:54, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

The data for Slovenia are obviously wrong. The gross minimum wage (2012) is 763,06 EUR per month (the net figure is correct), or 9150 EUR per year. The GDP per capita in 2009 was around 18,000 EUR. This gives a number closer to 50% than 35%. Probably this resulted from some gross/net and PPP/exchange rate confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.2.6.80 (talk) 13:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed it before, but note (or reference) 2 in the article mentions that "GDP (PPP) per capita" is used, and the only thing that looks close to that in the IMF reports is "Gross domestic product based on purchasing-power-parity (PPP) per capita GDP" with "Current international dollar". --Greenbreen (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, I guess the gross annual figure in Intl. Dollars is wrong. As I stated, it is around 9150 Eur per year. This should be more like 14,500 Intl. Dollars, at least according to the IMF table referenced in the caption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.2.6.80 (talk) 01:41, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I've been doing the updates to the 2011 data in my sandbox, and I find that the annual wage is 14,477 Intl. Dollars and 40% of the 2011 GDP (PPP) per capita. You're welcome to make the change for the 2009 data to the article yourself, but I don't want to mix 2009 and 2011 data. --Greenbreen (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Update on the update: I see that there have been changes to the format of the table, so I'm redesigning my templates to accomodate the new format. I've edited my template to allow blanks to be entered in the "Length of the Standard Workweek" field so that, once I've made the changes for the new table format, I can go live with the templates on the article and we can fill in the blanks as we go. I'm hoping to go live within the next few weeks at most. In the meantime, I'd appreciate any comments, suggestions, constructive criticisms, etc by anyone who wants to take a look at the template. --Greenbreen (talk) 00:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I've added a couple of columns to the table and begun converting the row entries over to use the new template. I'd welcome any feedback and appreciate any help in making the changeover. --Greenbreen (talk) 02:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

The formatting of the new template generally looks better, however, there are a few problems with using templates instead of just tables. One of the main problems at the moment is that the conversion factor for foreign currencies to USD is for the year 2011. The World Bank data which uses the IMF stats however already has 2012 conversion rates and these are the rates that are being used in the current table. By locking the conversion rates in templates it is going to make it hard for other editors in the future to update the data. Also the reference for the LCU, PPP, GDP data should point directly to the relevant data on the different World Bank data websites. Currently it is really hard to see the actual numerical data on the link to the IMF website. Also, in the template there is overlinking of the $ sign, perhaps US$ and Int$ should simply be used in the rows since in the header of the list a definition of the two is given. Guest2625 (talk) 11:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to try to address the various points you raised.

• One of the reasons I wanted to templatize the table was to make updates easier. Rather than having to update every entry by hand when the new year's data comes out, one has only to create a new data template (e.g. Template:To USD/data/2012), and then change the table templates to use 2012 instead of 2011. I admit that the process may seem easier to me since I am already familiar with the templates. Maybe a section near the top of the talk page about how to update the data would help?
• I'm not sure which references you are specifically referring to, but I agree that it would be better to point the links as close to the relevant data as possible. I'll try to go through and review the various World Bank references and point them closer to the relevant data if I can. Feel free to make any changes as you see fit as well.
• I was worried about the overlinking as well, and since you also bring it up, I think I'll implement the changes you suggest.

Getting free time to edit is always difficult for me, although I'm trying to get a little done everyday. I see you've done a ton of work improving the article. Thanks for your contributions. Hopefully before too long we'll have this article whipped into shape. --Greenbreen (talk) 13:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I have a few questions about using data templates. How easy is it to create a new template for data such as USD/data/2012? I looked at the template for 2011 and it was full of data. Do you have an easy way to upload the data from a website or spreadsheet?

• Also, I'm not sure how useful the workweek data is since most official workweeks are 40 hours, however, I figure the more information the better. For comparison purposes it's important to use the same workweek (for example 40 hours) and a shorter workweek if the law requires it as in the case of France and a bunch of other countries.
• Also, for the effective date it would ideally state the date that the given minimum wage became effective, however, knowing this exact date often is hard to determine and instead in such cases the year of the citation for the minimum wage was used as the effective date (for example 2012 is used for the State Department data for the Human Rights Report from that year). Looking forward to working with you on getting this list up to par with such lists as List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita. Guest2625 (talk) 12:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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• I've updated the templates to use the 2012 exchange rates. All together, I'd say it took me about an hour. I basically copied Template:To USD/data/2011 to a text editor, used search and replace to blank the old rates, then copied and pasted each 2012 exchange rate from the World Bank website to the appropriate place in the template and saved it at Template:To USD/data/2012. Then I had to updated Template:To USD to use 2012 by default instead of 2011. I also when back to the affected templates and updated their documentation. I admit it's a bit involved, but I think to convert the whole table over to 2012 data in about an hour isn't too bad.
• I've found a good number of countries with a standard workweek different than 40. See User:Greenbreen/Sandbox for some examples. Of the 24 countries I've done so far, 7 have had non-40 hour workweeks. The hourly columns take the workweek into consideration. They basically work by taking the annual wage, dividing by 52 to get the weekly wage, then divide the result by the workweek to get the hourly wage.
• I agree that it's difficult to find the effective date for a lot of the minimum wages. I think that often times the only place you're likely to find it is on the government website for the country in question, so for non-English speaking countries it may be hard for most English editors to find. I personally would prefer to leave that cell blank if we can't find a source, but I don't insist on it. I think that data that is likely to be correct but is unsourced may be better than no data at all. Maybe do it as you suggest with a template to encourage native contributors to find an appropriate source? --Greenbreen (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Updating the templates is a little involved but if it takes you one hour that's great. Hopefully, you'll continue to update the information in the future. It's also good you explained how you did it on the talkpage so that future editors will be able to go through the same process. If you look at other country lists they often have the date as the year of the source information. The year of the source information is useful because it tells you right away how up to date the information is. The effective date of the minimum wage is also good but can be confusing when you have 24 July 2009 for the effective date in the United States and the reader might think the information hasn't been updated since then. For this reason, simple years such as 2012, 2011, or 2010 were used in the case where the exact effective date was not known and only the year of the citation was known. Guest2625 (talk) 10:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I was looking at the IMF data website and the information on that site is poorly laid out. I'm unable for instance to find the USD PPP conversion data for 2011. I think the World Bank does a much better job at organising the relevant information and that is the data that google uses in its search results. It's also the data that was used to calculate the information in the current table. To be consistent with the current information, the following tables with the most recent data should be used: Official exchange rate (LCU per US$, period average) 2012, PPP conversion factor, private consumption (LCU per international $) 2011 and GDP per capita, PPP (current international $) 2011. Currently, the LCU per US$ data for 2012 is consistent with the rest of the information in the table, since the World Bank uses in this case the IMF's conversion rates. Guest2625 (talk) 00:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Here is a link to the IMF 2011 PPP conversion factor data: [6]. I was comparing the PPP conversion factors between the IMF and the World Bank, and for 2011 they are somewhat different. One issue I see with the World Bank data is that it is missing some countries that the IMF has (e.g. Argentina). I don't mind changing the data over to the World Bank data, but I think we ought to supplement with the IMF data when the World Bank data is missing. --Greenbreen (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the World Bank does a better job at presenting their data and explaining where it comes from, so I think it's better if the World Bank numbers are used. I also agree with you that the World Bank data should be supplemented in the cases where the country data is missing with IMF numbers. Guest2625 (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I've been preparing to update Template:International dollars with the World Bank data, but I ran into a temporary snag at Liberia. The World Bank and IMF data had very different implied PPP conversion factors. I looked at the Liberia article and found that there have been some issues with the Liberian dollar, and so the US dollar is also in use there. I found here that the IMF is using US dollars for Liberia, and I assume World Bank is using Liberian dollars. However, after extensive searching on World Bank's site, I couldn't find where they define the LCUs. Do you know where I can find this data so I can check for any further discrepancies? --Greenbreen (talk) 02:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Conversion to World Bank data completed. --Greenbreen (talk) 22:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Switzerland

Hi everyone

(I'm new to contributing to wikipedia, so please forgive me if I unknowingly violate some "wiki-laws")

in the table it says under Switzerland: "None; however, a majority of the voluntary collective bargaining agreements contain clauses on minimum compensation, ranging from 2,200 to 4,200 francs per month for unskilled workers and from 2,800 to 5,300 francs per month for skilled employees"

Now if you actually calculate it: 2,200 * 12 * ~0.93 $ = 24,552 $ and not 15,457$ (=hourly wage of 8.05$ or 8.66Fr)

Also, you guessed it, I'm Swiss and this is an unrealistic amount: An example: when I was 16 I did a holiday job/practicum at a car parts retailer (logistics,carrying around stuff) for an hourly wage of 14.35Fr (which was like a slap in the face, as it wasn't even considered to be a real wage) 14.35*8*20= 2296Fr (*0.93$)= 2135.28$/month

There is a case reported in the Swiss news of a Polish which is working as an illegal servant (moonlighting) for an hourly wage of 12.08Fr (=11.24$) which is considered to be close to slavery (21,567$/year) $/http://www.srf.ch/player/tv/rundschau/video/illegale-knechte-schwarzarbeit-und-tiefstloehne-in-der-schweizer-landwirtschaft-?id=351e3999-29c2-4c1d-b3c2-33bf8c8f4a0f

The lowest hourly wage I ever heard of was 17Fr for a McDonalds worker (17*8*20*0.93$=2529.6$/month)

There was a an upcoming minimum wage initiative ("Mindest-Lohn-Initiative") which proposed a minimum hourly wage of 22 francs (22*8*20*12*~0.93$= 39,283.2$ or 3,273.6$/month) which is far more realistic

The poverty line is around around 2250Fr = 2092.5$ (http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/20/03/blank/key/07/01.html) Normally you get tax reduction and social welfare to get an average minimum wage of 2800Fr (=2604$)

Sorry if this may sound arogant to some of you, but also consider the higher prices for everything. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.237.199 (talk) 11:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Indonesia

The Indonesian information needs to state what the wages are for 2,200,000 what currency and for how long eg an hour a month or a year ? Digmen1 (talk) 20:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Digmen1

Nepal - difference between text and source

In the listed source of 2008 Human rights Report, the minimum wage in Nepal starts at 4600 NPR for unskilled labor, and goes up to 4950 NPR for high-skilled labor. In the list, it starts at 6400 NPR which is a figure I have seen somewhere else, but sure and unfortunately it is not true for 2008.--Feba (talk) 16:21, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

The minimum wage numbers in the list need to be updated using the 2011 Human Rights Report. I started updating the countries through 'B'. If you look at the 2011 report the minimum wage in Nepal for 2011 was 6200 NPR. Guest2625 (talk) 11:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

thank you, that's what I needed - it will be outdated soon, though, as in June the Nepal government plans to fix a new minimum wage...Feba (talk) 12:13, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Uruguay

Moved this remark from the main page:

Uruguay's minimum wage is double what you have listed. As of January 2013 the minimum wage of 8000 Uruguayan pesos has gone into effect. Also before this, 2012, it was already 7200 pesos. KVDP (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Colombia's transportation subsidy

I have not included Colombia's transportation subsidy as a part of Colombia's minimum wage. The reasoning is that a wage paid in currency can be used for whatever purpose the earner desires, but the transportation subsidy, as far as I can tell, can only be used for transportation, regardless of whether the earner incurs that much transportation cost or not. If anyone has specific knowledge that the transportation subsidy is paid in cash and can be used for other purposes, please let me know. I'd also be interested in hearing feedback about these types of benefits in general and what the consensus is for handling them in this article. --Greenbreen (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Updated data dependent on PPP

Data for all templatized entries has been updated from 2011 international dollars to 2012 international dollars. --Greenbreen (talk) 07:51, 3 September 2013 (UTC)