Talk:Jacobite Syrian Christian Church

Proposed Oriental Orthodoxy project

There is now a new proposed project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Oriental Orthodoxy for a group which would focus on articles relating to the Oriental Orthodox Church. Any individuals interested in working with such a group should indicate as much there, to allow us to know if there is enough support to actually begin such a project. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move of interest

In case anyone here wants to weigh in, Eastern Rite Catholic Churches → Eastern Catholic Churches: See Talk:Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. Fishhead64 07:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Why are they called Jacobites?

The article doesn't seem to spell out why this religious groups are called Jacobites. A brief history would be usefull. Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 13:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I am a jacobite and the history as told to me by fathers/priests in our parishes is that during the time long ago when christianity was at its nacent stage, christian were very much persecuted for being christians and at that time Bishop Jacob (presumably Jacob Bardaeus) was jailed and pretty much all christian priests were killed. Since the rite of becoming a priest in line of St. Peter continues only by putting ones hand on the one who is to be consecrteated as a priest and no other person could simply declare anyone priest, christianity was at the grave danger of being finished. but during his time in jail when ever people come to visit this bishop he would simply put his hand on the head of his faithfull visitor and consecreate him as priest so that the christian faith would continue in his subject. such was his devotion to christianity.

When did we came to be called as jacobites thats a confusion it was either since long ago, or after the koonan cross oath event or after some judicial order resulting the split of saint thomas christians.

Confusion...

This article says that the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church is also known as "Malankara Syrian Orthodox Church". There is also an article called Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, which is also in Kerala. This is very confusing, and there should be something in the article that explains that they are different (if they are different — otherwise the articles would be merged). ... discospinster _talk 00:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Two Different Churches

They are two different churches in Kerala, both being part of Oriental Orthodoxy but this one being autonomous and the other being autocephalous. ܠܝܛܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 04:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Church or Parish?

I was trying to do some copyedits to the above article and found this odd sentence The Church has dioceses and churches in most parts of India as well as in the USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Western Europe, and the Persian Gulf nations. A Church can't have churches! I think the editor means parishes. Do Jacobites call them parish? I have inserted hidden text with that question there and if it is fixed can the editor please remove the inserted text. Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 09:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Removed.Student7 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Dioceses and bishops

I think dioceses and bishops should be associated together in some less demonstrative way. Supposed to be about church, not people, so list diocese first with their associated bishop(s). Student7 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC) The dioceses are listed above the list of the bishops, aren't they? ܠܝܛܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Present situation of Church

The Patriarch fraction is known as Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church, and the Catholicos fraction as Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church. An Independent Orthodox Church body also exists since 1772 AD by name, Malabar Independent Syrian Church, which is not in communion either with the Patriarch or Catholicos.

Majority of the Orthodox christians in India,including me, accept the Patriarch of Antioch as the Spiritual leader, and Catholicos of East as the autocephelous head. Similar to the situation in Georgia, where Georgians accept the Catholicos of Georgia as their autocephelous head and Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople as the Spiritual head.

How does the above affect this article? We need WP:RELY references to document all statements, particularly controversial ones. "Fighting in the streets" appears to be documentable. Does either side support violence? Again, need references. The split in loyalty I think is already documented. But if it isn't, it should be. Student7 (talk) 13:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles on Common History

There are Six articles which claim common history of Saint Thomas Christians out of this 4 have almost similar contents about the same period. To avoid repetitive articles and to improve the quality of the article, share about WP:RELY sources and re organization of these articles.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Christianity#About the articles on Saint Thomas Christians common history Pamparam (talk) 03:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Bishops of the Church

This section is horribly mismanaged, with all caps, misspellings and errors. 122.166.154.248 (talk) 09:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Mis-edited originally. Suggestion: try to correct one or two when you are looking at the article. With a couple of us doing this, it won't take too long. Of course, no one wants to read such a list now. All sorts of editors in the world!  :) Student7 (talk) 19:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Malankara Jacobite Syrian Christian Church

This should be the name, not Jacobite Syrian.... Credit Risk (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC).

note that his sermon at mass was in English. Not clear on whether the chantings were Aramaic. 67.161.249.235 (talk) 07:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Deposed Patriarch??

It is common understanding that desposition was not the crux of the issue... The issues started from the late 19^th century itself. Concluding that a consecration of a bishop led to all trouble is nothing but terrible wrong history. Whoever has done so, is creating blocks for unity. Credit Risk (talk) 03:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

So who is Jacob?

It would be nice if a link could be provided somewhere in the article, or even in the intro, to this church's namesake. Rwflammang (talk) 19:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

If you watch the Mass Ceremony, Israel is Jacob at the conclusion of the sermon.

Another good question would be, is Jacobite communion wine or grape juice? 67.161.249.235 (talk) 07:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

ST. YACOUB BURD'ONO

http://jacobitesyrianchurch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57&Itemid=67 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nibumjohn (talk • contribs) 09:08, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Who founded the Church?

The Jacobite Syrian Christian Church website gives the following information.

[1] THE FOUNDING OF CHURCH

Who established the church in India? People belonging to every Christian denomination of Kerala, in one voice would answer St. Thomas. Syrian Orthodox Church also believes so, St.Thomas reached Kodungallur by ship in AD 52. The widely accepted tradition is that St. Thomas visited various places and baptized many Jews and Hindus and thus began the process of establishing the Church. Middle east countries and Kerala had trade relations during the early centuries. So it may not have been difficult for St. Thomas to reach the coasts of Kerala.

[2] CHURCH IN INDIA

St. Thomas, one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ, is the founder of the ancient Church in India. Christian writers and historians from the 4th century refer to the evangelistic work of Apostle Thomas in India, and the Indian Christians ascribe the origin of their Church to the labors of the apostle in the 1st century.117.202.114.86 (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)