Talk:AC/DC

Broke up

According to several sources including http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2604825/Australia-rock-band-AC-DC-retire-following-band-members-health-concerns.html the band AC/DC have now broken up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl1tt3r0nth3sn0w (talk • contribs) 09:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Gl1tt3r0nth3sn0w, that isn't what the source says. Flat Out let's discuss it 12:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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album update

the most recent update, talking about the new album, is horribly written, with appalling grammar. Someone please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.74.208 (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

New book

There is a new book about AC/DC called The Youngs: The Brothers Who Built AC/DC by Jesse Fink, Random House Australia, 2013, that contains new revelations about the band. Should be added to "Further Reading". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bergerac77 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Genres

How is heavy metal not in the genres? And Rock and Roll in this context is basically the same is hard rock. It's like Ozzy Osbourne calling his music Rock n' Roll even though it's heavy metal (which is of course a sub-genre of rock). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.33.59 (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Reference: http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/metal/greatest_metal_bands/071406/index8.jhtml

Consensus is that AC/DC are not a good example of a heavy metal band, that the music isn't really heavy metal by many standards and that that genre should not be in the infobox. It has been discussed here a few times. It's mentioned in the text, with the appropriate reference etc. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

How are "Let There Be Rock", "Powerage" and "Highway to Hell" not somewhat heavy metal? They're documented as one of the heaviest albums of all time by Rolling Stone or Guitar World, I forget which one. They're like Van Hale and Aerosmith and other bands of that era that border on Heavy Metal/Hard Rock, and ACDC is no different.108.81.33.59 (talk) 03:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't rate any source that suggested Powerage was "one of the heaviest albums of all time" – it's just a blues rock album. Let There Be Rock is heavier but (in my view) it's still hard blues rock, not heavy metal. It's hardly Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Clearly what constitutes HM is very subjective – I wouldn't say Van Halen or Aerosmith are HM either. Others, especially people in the US, probably differ, but the consensus was not to have HM in the infobox. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"Down Payment Blues" and "Gimme a Bullet" have that heavy metal vibe to them from Powerage. Either way, in the 1970s hard rock and heavy metal were used especially interchangeably. Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Aerosmith, Rainbow, Van Halen and Kiss's pages have heavy metal as a 2nd genre despite being known as hard rock bands. AC/DC is no different from these bands, and that's why it should be there. Also Rock n' Roll doesn't need to be there, it has no reason to. It's redundant having Hard Rock and Rock n' Roll both there. I'm fine with it coming 3rd after blues rock but if their peers all have it then so should AC/DC in my opinion. Also another thing. It's IN THE TEXT that they are pioneers of heavy metal. Lemmy of Motorhead says that they play Rock n' Roll and even resents the label "metal band", but that doesn't make them not a heavy metal band. Of course Motorhead is a heavy metal band but as I stated above as a 70s hard rock band it should be added to keep it consistent with their peers. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 02:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I got as far as "Down Payment Blues" has a heavy metal vibe to it and I can see that we're never going to agree. DPB is as far from metal as AC/DC can get – it's pure blues rock. The other articles you mention have no bearing here, like everything on Wikipedia, and I would class none of those as heavy metal anyway, with the possible exception of some of Deep Purple's stuff, like "Highway Star". Hard rock and rock 'n' roll are not the same thing, and many of the early Bon Scott songs are rock 'n' roll, straight out of the Chuck Berry songbook. I agree with Lemmy about Motorhead, no matter how journalists get it wrong. Infoboxes are supposed to be general, and not just include every genre ever attached to a band. I think the fundamental issue here is that American views on what constitutes heavy metal are very different from views held elsewhere, and these articles have to work on individual consensus. I find calling Led Zeppelin heavy metal as crazy as you find this AC/DC question. If consensus here changes, then we change the article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Powerage is a bad example but "Go Down", "Let There Be Rock", "Walk All Over You" and "If You Want Blood" all are way more metal than anything on Powerage, at least in terms of the 70s definition of heavy metal. And about the Bon Scott thing, that was with HIS band BEFORE AC/DC, and they ditched the Rock n' Roll thing after their first album pretty much. I don't consider Zeppelin Heavy Metal but what I'm saying is if the consensus is that all their contemporaries including Zeppelin are considered heavy metal even if it's the 70s view on heavy metal, why would there be much opposition to THIS band being labeled heavy metal? And like I said before, in the article itself states they were an early influence of heavy metal, I think that because of that reason alone it should be on there.108.81.33.59 (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into a discussion about which songs are metal, because I don't think any of them are metal. And no, I'm talking about the first AC/DC albums with Scott: High Voltage, TNT, Dirty Deeds, that stuff. How about "There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'"? Pure 50s-influenced rock 'n' roll. In fact AC/DC were far more rock 'n' roll at that time than either of Scott's previous two bands. The Valentines were a pop band and Fraternity were sort of prog. Whatever the consensus at the articles of other bands, that's great, but it has no bearing on the consensus here. Occasionally somebody comes along and asks for metal to be put in the infobox, like you have, but there is never enough of a demand to make it happen. Not yet anyway. Lastly, influencing a genre does not make a band a part of that genre. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Well that you don't think they're metal AT ALL is solely your opinion. It doesn't change that the band's 70s-80s albums fit the criteria of heavy metal in those days. I don't know how many people have argued to have HM put in the infobox or now many it takes to have a consensus but it doesn't seem like there are many to keep it off either, has there? 108.81.33.59 (talk) 21:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

That's the thing, it isn't solely my opinion. The consensus is here. As you can see, nobody wanted to keep HM in the infobox. I think most people are wary of getting into pointless discussions. Also, keep the talk in one place, not four different places. This is the correct place to discuss it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Fine, we'll see if the consensus changes in the future then. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

If you want to gain consensus you need to propose a change with reliable sources and supported by wikipedia policy/guidelines and get the support of other editors. Picking out a few songs as examples of metail doesn't make the case at all. We do not include all genre that may apply, we only include the genre that the overwhelming majority of reliable sources have to say on the subject. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:57, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Genre - again

Should "rock and roll" really be included as a genre? I mean, according to the Wikipedia page on rock and roll, it says the term is, "referring to the first wave of music that originated in the US in the 1950s and would later develop into the more encompassing international style known as 'rock music,'" With this in mind, rock and roll refers to artists such as Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, and Little Richard. I don't see how AC/DC fits into that category as none of their songs (to my knowledge) have the signature sound of that era. In addition, every article I've seen on their individual songs categorizes them as "hard rock" or "blues rock". What do you guys think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twyfan714 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, do you have any other source to support a discussion? Flat Out let's discuss it 01:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Here's a link from Allmusic. It's AC/DC's bio: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ac-dc-mn0000574772/biography. It does not classify them as simply, "rock and roll." Allmusic also says, "In its purest form, Rock & Roll has three chords, a strong, insistent back beat, and a catchy melody." While I can definitely see the three chords thing, I don't know about the back beat or catchy melody. Here's the link to that page: http://www.allmusic.com/style/rock-roll-ma0000002829. I just think rock and roll isn't the best way to describe AC/DC's music. I personally think "Hard rock, blues rock" describes virtually all their music.Twyfan714 (talk) 01:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Allmusic also describes their genre as pop/rock so I wouldn't focus too much on that source. In Rolling Stones Greatest Artists of all time, American producer Rick Rubin described them as "the greatest rock and roll band of all time." See here. They have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where Rock is a synonym for Rock and Roll. Murray Engleheart, in his book AC/DC Maximum Rock and Roll also described them as the worlds greatest rock and roll band. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:42, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. That is a good point. However, with regards to Allmusic, the pop/rock thing is meant as a general category. What I mean is, even genres like heavy metal and punk fit under the general label of "rock" because those are subgenres. Allmusic isn't necessarily saying that AC/DC's music is pop rock, just that their music is a subgenre of "pop/rock." Also, I am not so sure if an author's opinion necessarily should provide much weight here. Also, just as another example, the Ramones were once reviewed by Newsday's Wayne Robbins as, "'the best young rock 'n' roll band in the known universe.'" However, this does not mean that the Ramones should be considered "rock and roll" because it is more accurately described as punk rock. In my opinion, rock and roll is a somewhat misleading label, and "Hard rock, blues rock" is a more accurate label for AC/DC. That's just my two cents. Twyfan714 (talk) 01:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

2014 news

In 2014, Brian Johnson confirmed that in May AC/DC will be back in studio for recording a new album. He confirmed that even during the F1 Bahrain Grand Prix. Can you please add it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gen712 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 Not done unless other editors can verify that, it cant be used as a source. Flat Out let's discuss it 08:39, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Another source for the band splitting

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/conflicting-reports-surface-regarding-acdcs-future — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredu (talk • contribs) 18:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Rumours. We'll need an announcement of some sort from the band or the record company. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Salt Palace trampling

I'm surprised the article does not mention the deaths during an AC/DC concert at the Salt Palace (arena) in 1991. That linked article has sources that match Wikipedia's reliability standards for the incident, it's also briefly mentioned in the article for Razors Edge World Tour. Given that AC/DC settled out of court, it seems it is relevant enough to mention here. Is this a simple omission, or has there been an effort to keep this content off the page? Dave (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's ever been mentioned, which suggests a simple omission. I'd say a short paragraph would be relevant. Put it in, see what happens? Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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