Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Economics

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Eco Industrial Development

Dear economists: This is another one of those old abandoned Afc submissions. Is this an economics topic, and if so, should the article be kept? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I think this article should be kept. I added a link about the National Centre for Eco-Industrial Development. All the references use a hyphen between Eco and Development, so maybe rename article. Not too sure what the rejection comment means about 'curious phrases'. However the article could probably be trimmed. Not sure what is mean by 'Community of States' in the history section. The subject is related to economics, but also the Environment and Engineering projects. The term is closely linked to Eco-industrial park and Industrial symbiosis. Jonpatterns (talk) 13:01, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your analysis. I have moved the page to the title you suggested. Now that you have edited it, it won't be deleted for six months. Anyone is welcome to work on it! —Anne Delong (talk) 21:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Jonpatterns, is the article ready to be moved to mainspace? If there is a dubious bit, it could always be removed until someone can explain and source it properly. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: I start tidying up some of the references, but my browser crashed. I will re-edit when I get a moment. Jonpatterns (talk) 05:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: I've done what I can for the article for now. Its ready for submission as far as I can tell. Some sources capitalize and others use lowercase for eco-industrial development. I think the article should use 'Eco-industrial development' for its wiki name, this is in line with Eco-industrial park. Jonpatterns (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The article is happily living at Eco-industrial development. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: great stuff, I will try to improve it further if I get time. ; -) Jonpatterns (talk) 20:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 24/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/SinkRank. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Carlos Rodríguez Braun

onomiThis old abandoned Afc submission about an economics professor and journalist is soon to be deleted as a stale draft. The article has claims to notability, but no independent sources. I'd like to add some, but I don't speak Spanish. I can't find a university profile, and without knowing the language it's hard to separate news reports about him from those he has written as a journalist. Is this a notable person, and should the article be kept? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking for community support on a new grant proposal

The Global Economic Map project (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Global_Economic_Map) plans to build a bot that will upload economic/corporate/financial data into Wikidata and systematically display the data in articles such as this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States. Our goal is to make an article for every country that looks like that one. The economic/corporate/financial data uploaded into Wikidata as part of this project will be usable for Wikipedia articles as well. We are looking for community support and people who want to get more involved with this Wikidata project. We would love to get more involved with WikiProject Economics and hear your input. If you are interested to hear more please send me a message, write an endorsement on the grant page or ask questions below. Thank you Mcnabber091 (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Fractional Reserve Banking

Could people keep the fractional reserve banking article on their watchlist? We have a dispute ongoing and could use more eyes (although I can't seem to figure out what the dispute is about exactly). LK (talk) 09:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

This is how the situation appears to me, @Reissgo: claims @SPECIFICO: is reverting edits but won't take a formal route to resolve the conflict.Jonpatterns (talk) 12:09, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

My potted history of events is here. Reissgo (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not convinced either of the two positions as described there are correct. Reserve requirements do limit money creation, but not always in a linear way, depending on savings pattern differences between producers and consumers. EllenCT (talk) 06:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

NPOV - FRINGE?

I thought I would bring two articles to the attention of this forum that I have tagged for possible bias and questionable sources, Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee and Bill Murphy (GATA chairman). These two related articles are about an organization and its founder that have been widely dismissed by mainstream economists and press/media as cranks and purveyors of fringe conspiracy theories. The article on GATA has been deleted previously. Both articles seem to have been written in a manner suggestive of an attempt to rehabilitate their subjects. And in both cases there appears to be a significant reliance on sources also known as outlets for fringe conspiracy theories.

I was wondering if I might impose on the members of this forum to take a look and give me a second opinion before I take things any further. Thanks for your time... -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:59, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

What actions where you considering? Adding specific points of criticism would improve the articles.Jonpatterns (talk) 08:26, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Why two articles on the same subject? ... the economic notion of "surplus"

It is unclear to me why Wikipedia has an article on both Excess supply and also surplus. Seems to me that the latter term is much more widely used in economics, and that perhaps the two articles should be merged. N2e (talk) 19:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

This seems to be a project Talk page with little interaction between other editors about improving Wikipedia. Anyone have a view on this? N2e (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@N2e: Thanks for the reminder. After looking at the pages Excess supply seems to deal an excess in goods desired by consumers at a certain price, the opposed being Excess demand - not enough goods. Where as Economic surplus relates a pricing surplus - the difference between the market price and the highest amount a consumer would pay, or the difference between the market price and the lowest amount the producer would sell at. They are obviously related but I not convinced merging the pages would benefit the reader. A mention linking to and from each page could be useful. Further, there is also surplus product, but this is use for an earlier Marxist theory. Jonpatterns (talk) 20:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 17/04

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/SinkRank. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 22:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata:Global Economic Map task force/Properties

Perhaps this is of interest to people here: d:Wikidata:Global Economic Map task force/Properties. These properties could be used in future for info boxes of cities to indicate factors of economic rankings etc. Jane (talk) 12:02, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Content Economy

Dear economics experts: This old Afc submission will shortly be deleted as a stale draft unless someone takes an interest in it. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Mention European_Sharing_Economy_Coalition in Sharing economy article?

See discussion on the talk page.Jonpatterns (talk) 14:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Request: simple better graph for Lorenz curve

Please see my comment at Talk:Lorenz_curve#Better_graph_suggestion. Can anyone help create it? If so, please post there. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:09, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 05/05

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Quadratic Voting. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Gini coefficient discussion

Project members are invited to look at Talk:Gini coefficient#Gini in Template:infobox country and to provide input. – S. Rich (talk) 04:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

List of currencies in South America

Hi, please can someone check over the text, economics isn't my strong point. Thanks, Matty.007 19:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Matty.007: The article looks okay, anything specific text that you would like to query? Jonpatterns (talk) 09:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift reply. I was just thinking of any major prose issues, economics isn't so much a strong point of mine. Thanks, Matty.007 17:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 15/05

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/European Price Revolution. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@FoCuSandLeArN: the article should be merged into Price revolution. The Price revolution article covers the same/similar events and would benefit from being expanded.Jonpatterns (talk) 09:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Paco Ahlgren listed as AfD

The article for Paco Ahlgren has been listed under "article alerts" as an WP:AfD, but there is no information about why it has been suggested or by whom. Maybe it was listed by mistake? Jonpatterns (talk) 09:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Paco Ahlgren (talk · edit · hist)was AfDed; see discussion

RepRisk 'esg' data collectors

I've attempted to make the RepRisk article for creation more neutral, any help improving the page appreciated Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/RepRisk.Jonpatterns (talk) 19:54, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Long and short term U.S. Natural Rate of Unemployment derivations?

How are [1] and [2] derived? I'm also asking at WP:RDH and promise to cross-merge best answers. EllenCT (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Global financial system nominated for GA review

About a week ago, I nominated Global financial system for Good Article review at WP:GAN#ECON after undertaking a major revamp of the article. If anyone is interested in reviewing it, feel free to take a look. Also note that we have 13 other articles awaiting GA review under the Economics & Business section.

Please note the depth of the improvement:

• Previous (before revamp)
• Current

If you aren't able to commit a full GA review of the article, I am still particularly interested in any feedback on the quality of the article's lead. John Shandy` • talk 08:04, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Hyperinflation

Just a note that the Hyperinflation page has been subject, for the past few days, to a series of edits by a user MonteDaCunca that have rendered the page awkward and difficult to understand. As the talk page shows, the edits seem to be part of an academic dispute over the definition of inflation, with the Hyperinflation edits being used to wage that academic debate. The changes are now fairly extensive, and probably require someone with some expertise or real interest in the subject, and in editing, to go through and check things. The user who has made the changes is accused of being a sock puppet, but I don't know if that's true. But I thought that the Project page ought to be aware of things. Prof. Mc (talk) 10:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

He's back

Special:Contributions/78.130.81.221 MonteDaCunca is back, as is evidenced by his edits. I've filed a report, but may have done it wrong. If so I apologize. It appears at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/MonteDaCunca but not at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations. Prof. Mc (talk)

Proposed guideline on finding and using sources

WP:ECONRSW, a proposed guideline on finding and using sources has been sitting there for some time. Since the page has been linked to from the main page for some years, and silence suggests consensus, I'ld like to propose that we elevate the page from proposed guideline to actual guideline for our little group. LK (talk) 07:13, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. It would be good to be able to recommend more books than just the Handbooks in Economics.Jonpatterns (talk) 10:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to add stuff! I believe the page also suggests university level texts and review articles in refereed journals. Should we add Journal of Economic Perspectives and Journal of Economic Literature as a good place to find review articles in? Any other suggestions? LK (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

While I'm not fully convinced having our own guideline is wise, here are some thoughts on improvement. We may want to include something regarding WP:PSTS as many journal or academic sources may be considered a primary source such as " a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted by the author is a primary source on the outcome of that experiment". Such sources may be used, "but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them". It then goes on to describe misuse, such as "... Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. ..." So in Wikipedia, depending on the context, using a secondary source from a news organization may be better then using the higher quality primary source from academia (or source both), particularly if the content is more easily verified in the secondary source. If the content can be verified in a one page summarized article from the AP, I find that source preferable to the primary 100 page academic publication. This also goes to a question of weight if the only source available is primary. It might also be nice to include a reference to WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV as too often I see statements based on the opinion of a particular source made in Wikivoice. Morphh ^(talk) 15:24, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree that it may be unnecessary work to maintain a separate reliable source standard for this project. What specifically would make something reliable for this project but not generally, and vice versa. Maybe just have a list of places that generally provide reliable sources.

Regarding AP (associated press?) and academic source. Wh y do you favor the peer review of the former to the latter? Jonpatterns (talk) 07:37, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

The AP source would likely reference the academic source, so I see it as a matter of secondary source vs primary source and the ease of which someone without specialized knowledge can verify the material and see it is accurately and neutrally represented in Wikipedia. Morphh ^(talk) 12:32, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Middle-out Economics

Middle-out economics, as envisioned by Nick Hanauer and Eric Liu, is held in opposition to trickle-down economics. Middle-out economics maintains the middle-class is ultimately the job creator due to its buying power. Higher demand for products and services produces economic growth.</ref> Economic growth provides for greater employment opportunities. Therefore, create a sufficiently progressive tax code, i.e. one that puts more money into the hands of the middle class, and the economy will grow and create more employment opportunities.Jothwu (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jothwu: What about 'Middle out economics'? If you wishing to create an article see WP:AfC. Although note, it may not be a notable term. Alternatively you could add something about the term on Nick Hanauer and Eric Liu, or perhaps create an article for their book The True Patriot if it is notable.Jonpatterns (talk) 07:51, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Please see [3]. They support stuff like [4] which takes money from the health insurance industry to try to supress single payer health care, even though that's what Medicare is. Not exactly paragons of logical consistency. EllenCT (talk) 23:39, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

European Central Bank negative interest on excess reserves

Can anyone figure out how to excerpt the June 5 news article at Talk:Negative interest on excess reserves? Two of the news articles were single sentences, including the headline. EllenCT (talk) 23:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Tax policy and economic inequality in the United States

Could we please have some more help with some of the recent discussions at Talk:Tax policy and economic inequality in the United States? This is my preferred version. Is it more accurate? Less biased? EllenCT (talk) 23:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

European Price Revolution merge into Price revolution proposal

Suggestion European Price Revolution be merged into Price revolution, see discussion Jonpatterns (talk) 10:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Economics At Wikimania 2014

Hi all,

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This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

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Wikidata: Economics task force

Wikidata: Economics task force

Mcnabber091 (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)