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Discussion at WP:ANI#disruptive editing on Jung Myung Seok page

You are invited to join the discussion at WP:ANI#disruptive editing on Jung Myung Seok page. Sam Sailor ^Sing 22:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

Discussion at WP:ANI#Content manipulation on 2012 Italian Navy Marines shooting incident in the Laccadive Sea

You are invited to join the discussion at WP:ANI#Content manipulation on 2012 Italian Navy Marines shooting incident in the Laccadive Sea. Onlyfactsnofiction (talk) 02:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Never should have been at ANI. It's a content dispute - you should be looking at the dispute resolution page. Ravensfire (talk) 03:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, sincerely have tried very patiently to explain and clarify every concern, the Italian users are bent upon shaping that article as they have schemed on the Italian talk page. Also, as you can see the discussions are going nowhere and also my attempts to get non-involved contributors to weigh-in with experience in dealing with similar content-related disputes has come to naught. I opened the ANI because of the repeated/multiple content deletions and tweaking which were all part of the discussion and which was being removed/replaced.

I will look at the dispute resolution page but in the short-term what to do about the redaction of the content ? Should I move this from ANI to elsewhere where admins can weigh-in on the content ?

Kindly advise because I have no prior experience in dealing with this kind of coordinated content/article shaping. Onlyfactsnofiction (talk) 03:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, the article is about 60% decent, 40% crap. The POV shoving is from BOTH sides. If you can't admit that, just stop now. Look at the change I recently made. There was zero reason for the quote. None. Zilch. Unless, of course, you wanted to push a POV. Read that dispute resolution page I linked above. This isn't the first time people from various sides came to an impass. Here's a hint - edit warring happens with both sides are reverting. It cannot be just one side. So here's some advice. 1 - If you want to start using the various noticeboards, you need to focus very specific aspects. Take a section or paragraph at a time and focus discussion on the talk page specifically on that. 2 - Stop with the nationalist crap. Seriously. Stop. You want to make sure folks want to argue with you, keep it up. You'll end up getting nowhere. The three of you involved in this are textbook single purpose authors. A lot of admins won't care about blocking any of you if things continue.

Remember what this is - it's an encyclopedia which summarizes information. It's not a blow-by-blow, every detail thing. When sections have daily breakdowns, it's probably something that needs to be rewritten.

So what to do in the short-term? First, focus on specific changes. Start talk page sections (with neutral titles) about each section and express concerns focusing on the information, the sources and Wikipedia policies (see WP:RS and WP:NPOV in particular). You will not win every battle. You shouldn't - that article is anything but perfect. Realize that some of their changes do improve the article. Some don't. Get all editors involved to explain why they made the change. Focus on the edits. Focus on the edits. Focus on the edits. (See a theme here? Stop with the nationalist stuff). Ravensfire (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your inputs. I concur with your assessment that the article has scope for improvement. My point was that most of the article's incident investigations related content came from Indian court documents because in Italy the authorities are not divulging anything. That is why I found it far stretching to bring in speculations into the article.

The quote (if you are referring to the LRIT data) IMHO is relevant because it could have given the positional information about what happened, where and when. That is all. It is surprising how many systems that should have been able to give positional information were voluntarily or involuntarily unavailable. My impression was that the casual reader will do well to be informed that a system called LRIT exists and that LRIT data was not available for this incident. I am certainly not going to defend this LRIT statement for other reasons than this.

Last point if you will permit me. I think that the wikipedia article should avoid speculative content which can only serve nationalist causes and create unnecessary divisions. I have no inclination to defend/support the Indian narrative. Only, I must admit that I find Indian court documents more relevant when compared to journalistic speculations and conspiracy theories. We don't need countries creating more trouble here in Europe by fanning nationalist flames than we already have right now because this is only making the Indians dig-in even deeper with their own nationalist rhetoric fuelled by upcoming electoral concerns. That is why I have questioned the speculative content that is being introduced.

That said, I am going to stop and leave this thing alone because I think that some rest will hopefully make everyone see straighter ;-)

Onlyfactsnofiction (talk) 04:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

RE the quote, the full quote is quite simply not needed. Period. What is needed, and what I did in this edit, is to summarize the information - that the LRIT data isn't available on that day because the server was off. That's it - the information is summarized without an inflamatory and POV quote. The use of actual quotes in an article should be kept to a minimum and really only used when the power of the words is obvious. Ravensfire (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Reported for 3RR

You have been reported for 3RR since it is you who started the edit war on the CT page. More info on our conversation on my talk page.Csp0316 (talk) 15:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Two things. One, please learn to count. I'm not past 3RR as you are. Second, the edit war was started by you when you continued to revert the MULTIPLE editors who have objected to your list. But thanks for noticing our efforts. Ravensfire (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah - I also fixed the template on the EWN page for you. Ravensfire (talk) 15:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Shockingly, said editor was blocked for edit-warring and then subsequently blocked indefinitely for sockpuppets. Ravensfire (talk) 04:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

AN/I discussion regarding Providence (religious movement)

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive833#Large amount of properly sourced content is being continually deleted from Providence Religious Movement Article. Sam Sailor ^Sing 11:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)Template:Z48

Ra.One's language edit

Good morning. Sir, i edited a small chunk of Ra.One specially the language. Sir, the film has use of English language as film is shot in London too. Sir, i have done numerous edit but this edit reverts everytime. Sir a small request please save my edit for the latter page. Thank you. TekkenJinKazama (talk) 03:59, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

TekkenJinKazama, Please use the RA.One talk page to discuss and get consensus for your edit. Multiple editors have objected to your change and you've already been blocked over this. Use the article talk page. Use the article talk page. Just in case you didn't get the specific advice I'm giving to you, use the article talk page to discuss adding English as a language for the film. Generally though, only the main language should be listed which is clearly Hindi. Ravensfire (talk) 04:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Sir, first and foremost i discussed about it but they are not willing to keep the secondary language. As per you said this film is Hindi, i totally agree sir. But always my edit gets reverted for it. Specially Hindi films Taare Zameen Par, My Name Is Khan, Jogger's Park 2003 film these are all Hindi films but they have liberal sir liberal but use of English. And only one user kept reverting despite i explained that these films language must be kept only Hindi. And sir one more thing i am not a blacklisted Wikipedian as i have contributed much. I respect each user sir. But the following user User:Kailash29792 reverted edits though i explained him. And for which i blocked. Sir please understand me i am not vandalising the page . Thank you

TekkenJinKazama (talk) 04:21, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

You aren't vandalizing the page, but you ARE editing against consensus. I understand you have a view on this, but others disagree. Wikipedia is based on WP:CONSENSUS and you MUST work to get that here. I frankly don't care one way or the other about this. What I care about is that multiple editors have reverted you and you don't care about that. You need to use the talk page to get consensus (and that means active agreement by other editors that English should be added as a language for the film). Ravensfire (talk) 04:30, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

As per your suggestion i will appeal on Ra.One talk page. Will they keep my edit change? Sir i know that its not vandalism but still sir secondary language must be put up there. Sir why do they disagree?. Had i edited something vulgar? No sir so. Sir please i have a small request can you put up the secondary language of Ra.One. I will be highly obliged. Thanks again so much sir. TekkenJinKazama (talk) 04:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

No, I won't. That field is for the primary language of the film. English is not the primary language of the film which is why you keep getting reverted. You MUST get consensus on the talk page BEFORE making your edit again. Ravensfire (talk) 13:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Sir, Since today i edited the language part today and it was not reverted. I had requested for Consensus for language. You can check talkpage of Ra.One. Still i do not understand why this revert goes on. Ok sir, Taare Zameen Par that film has too Hindi. When i edited and removed English part they reverted. So do Hindi films not using English as secondary language? Sir, You can check English Language Indian Films list. Have a look and say they too should be reverted. If no so why only mine edits revert? TekkenJinKazama (talk) 14:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

First, please just indent your posts when replying on a talk page. Don't create new sections unless it's a new topic. See the PW:INDENT page for how it works. I noticed you only just created the talk page post. That's good, but disappointing considering you took the time earlier to revert (again) despite multiple objections. And you even said you were going to use the talk page, but you didn't when you left that post. Only just now did you bother. Ravensfire (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello-

I just made edits to the page SolarReserve and received a conflict of interest message. How do I send you my edits to proofread so that the information will not be removed?

Thank you!

207.114.153.126 (talk)JocelynnY

Ra.One

Hello. Can i ask you something? You again reverted my edit. And that too i referenced with a link. So how come you do this sir? Since 24 hours i did not done a single edit war to the page and i did not got the Consensus (Agreement). So tell me one thing Raven sir, i did not indulged in edit war. Kailash and you reverted much. I just wrote secondary language. Nothing sir Nothing more than that. Please sir i did not vandalized. And please sir note it check IMDB page. They added Chinese, Tamil and Telugu (dubbed) but i just added its English the next language. So do IMDB is wrong too? Sir i just want its secondary language thats it TekkenJinKazama (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Did I say it was vandalism? No. Are you edit-warring? Oh yeah. Read the WP:EDITWAR page. For everything else, use the article talk page, not my talk page. This is a content dispute. Ravensfire (talk) 15:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, when you do go to the Ra.One talk page discussion, note the references that I put for the primary language of the film. That's what this is about after all. Not the secondary languages. Not the translated language. The primary language. Please though, use the Ra.One talk page to discuss this further. Ravensfire (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on the Whistleblower article and on the duplicate articles for the Company USIS.

Template creation

First of all welcome back. The reason for which i created the template is to represent Hindi TV stars. Basically sir, there are several templates of scientist, comedians, actors, singers so i made one of Hindi TV actors respectively. I love to create new ideas and thanks to you guys for inspiration TekkenJinKazama (talk) 03:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

First of all this template has meaningful modules. See article Karanvir Bohra he won 3 awards in his Television career. So i did represent the 3 awards section respectively

TekkenJinKazama (talk) 05:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Jin's block evasion

Ever since User Tekken Jin Kazama was blocked indefinitely today, I think he has shifted to making edits on an IP address. I can say so because of his habitual characteristics. I am really confused over his intentions: does he call these Hindi films set abroad as English films to make them look more " Hollywood-esque", does he do so bcos a few English dialogues "must" make it an English film, or were the Hindi films dubbed in English? The third is extremely unlikely. Even the Cantonese film Ip Man was dubbed in English, but the Infobox does not mention the same. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree about the IP socking, and it's annoying. I think his intention is to put any language used in a film in the infobox, even if it's not used too much. That parameter is supposed to indicate the primary language of the film and that's it. The template documentation even gives a couple of good places to source that from (bbfk.co.uk and bollywoodhungama.com) so it's not difficult to check. If we go with "any language used", think of all the films where a foreign language is used and subtitled for effect. Or the various phrases that get borrowed from other languages. Terminator 2 would have to mention Spanish for "Hasta la vista, baby." Tekken won't stop and doesn't care about anything except himself, unfortunately. He's at revert and ignore for me. Ravensfire (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Since I just noticed it, the category edits I thought were borderline, but okay. The category says it's for "Films made in India or by Non-Resident Indians with themes related to India, in which Indian English and/or English is wholly or partially spoken." That's really, really broad category but it's been described like that for a long time. Up to you, but I don't think it would hurt to leave them. Ravensfire (talk) 17:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Please report all of TekkenJinKazama's block evasion activities here. - Areaseven (talk) 03:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Curious case of Jin Kazama

Been since a long time, Kazama's edit is going worst. I really feel pity for that user. I think Kazama's habit of being block still does not realising his actions. He just wanted Ra.One's second language to be edited. Does really that film has English much? For which Kazama wanted his edits to be saved? This user is blocked now for image copyrights violation. Again a new block for him. mall (talk) 05:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

And he has been blocked indefinitely. As for Ra.One, it is not an English film. Just because it was set in London (that too only the first half) and there was little English in the film, does not make it officially an English language film. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The Zeitgeist Movement

Excuse me but why did you revert my changes on The Zeitgeist Movement without any explanation why? I was only posting correct, sourced information and removing incorrect and hence no longer relevant info. --Melarish (talk) 17:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Um, no. You don't get to decide what is 'incorrect' - we go by published sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

But why did you also remove what I added? If you believe the existing sources are still relevant, fair enough, but so was mine.

One, it's your personal opinion and the opinion of the article's subject. We only use primary sources for basic information. Anything like this must come from independent secondary sources. Two, this should be on the article's talk page. It's much easier to get a wider view than on an individual user's talk page. Ravensfire (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Notifying about an abusive edit

I am not kinda of any sockpuppet. Stop assuming this. Even for contribution you posted me a Sockpuppet. For user Kailash i edited that parts and he even thanked me. Though, You are not a Hindi speaking person so please do not assume me for any sockpuppetry! R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 14:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh bullshit. You can reply to the SPI page and offer your defense there. Ravensfire (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Raven, he removed "English" from the Hindi film Taare Zameen Par, and I thanked him for that edit. I had no idea he is Tekken Jin. But now based on circumstantial evidence, I am convinced that Rajan Singh is the same user. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Totally understand about the thanking, and to be honest, if a sock does something useful I'd probably thank them as well. But ... TekkenJinKazama is blocked and getting around that by creating a new account isn't correct. They need to address the problems that caused them to be blocked and get their main account unblocked. They have a very distinctive editing style and interests (Indian films and Tekken characters - odd combination there!). Ravensfire (talk) 15:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Obliged

Though, Raven if i edited that part its a good thing for you both. And those films which falls in English Language Indian films would be converted in Hindi. The list Kailash gave i won't even see them as their language is English. Agree . Well even Bombay Boys had a pure amalgamation of Hinglish i entered Hindi with respect. And yes, The films which has less Hindi too as Bombay Boys will be billed too as Hindi films. I contributed and not broken any rules of Wikipedia. And Gandhi is based in India but directed by Richard Attenborough is fully English. Its a tribute to Kailash for removing English as second language (And for you too) R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 16:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Bare discussion

As if the talk page will help to post my language. I think you are not understanding me. Raven stop and listen. Your brother Kailash told me that Ra.One do not target Foreign countries. So tell me the sources that have been edited by me why they say Ra.One Got Thumbs Up From Hollywood ? Coz Raven we all know Americans do not speak any Hindi nor Hollywood is situated in Mumbai. Read the sources respectively. And i have strong feeling that you and Kailash are sockpuppeters coz actually you a non-Hindi person genuinely supports him though you cannot speak Hindi. No other user except you and Kailash only these are reverters of Ra.One! History of the pages are proof Either Kailash or You revert in this whole Wikipedia. Read the sources. Respectively R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 15:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Read TJK's talk page as Kailash wrote "If the film targets English viewers then you can apply source to prove". I gave 2 references despite he didnt understand. R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 15:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Rajan, the references you added do not state that RA.One was dubbed or released in English. And even if it was, you still cannot add English to the Infobox as a film's primary language (ie the language it was shot in) can only be added. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:00, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Rajan, READ the discussion on the Ra.One talk page. We're not looking for something that says that English was used in the film. That is not contested and it's why it has the English language Indian film category. But it's not the primary language of the film. Your sources don't support that at all. And that's what the language parameter in the Infobox is for - what is the primary language of the film. So tell me, do you really think English is a primary language of the film? Ravensfire (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Full and Final

Kailash and Raven this is my concern that if English is added to Infobox so why, so why don't you do not agreeing? And hey, both of you Lust, Caution (film) has 6 languages. Though barely used, how its been there since 2007? And i do not say English is primary language for it but if been posted there would police or Cyber crime will investigate? As if i posted a vulgar thing R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 16:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

TekkenJinKazama, please read the documentation on {{Infobox film}}. After you've read it, please reply here with how it says to use the language parameter. Also, please include what language(s) the source mentioned on that documentation page says for the language. Ravensfire (talk) 17:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Raven, I have decided not to involve in this matter anymore. No, I have not surrendered to Rajan, but I know that we have still won. Because you have opened a SPI case against him, and he and his socks will certainly be blocked in the coming days, precluding him from ever editing again... until he creates a new account to evade his punishment. But an intelligent and sensible editor would give a proper unblock request rather than evade his block, which he is unlikely to do. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Good call - I'm about there myself. Appreciate the help and advice you've given to me and to TekkenJinKazama (even if they ignored it). Ravensfire (talk) 13:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

TFD Indian TV actor

Raven, since the time i've seen that you aren't happy with contribs i made. Why this template Template:Infobox Indian TV actor is stabbing you? One more thing i am representing Indian soap opera actors through the infobox but still you consider as a Vandalised template. And just listen that infobox has meaningful awards modules in respect to actors who contributed services to Hindi entertainment. Awards like Zee Gold Awards, Sab Ke Anokhe Awards, Indian Telly Awards are given. And consensus for what. Wikipedia states every user has rights to contribute meaningful articles. So you say that infobox is worst? Did our actors didn't contribute to Hindi TV media? So what's the problem R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 02:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Unnecessary template. Look at the some FA actor articles and what do you NOT see? Awards in the infobox. There was a discussion about this on the WP:ACTOR talk page - no awards in the infobox. You, however, don't care about anyone else. You delete other peoples views on things. You create sock pupppets. You use IP addresses when you are blocked. You will be blocked again. Until you start showing some basic understanding of Wikipedia and working with others, it won't matter how many accounts you try to create. You will end up blocked again. And again. And again. Ravensfire (talk) 02:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

And by the way - stop creating new talk page sections. Use existing talk page sections. Here's a hint - click on that little edit button. Indent your comments with colons. Read WP:TALK. I know you won't, because you don't give a fuck about anyone else. So here's the deal, if you want to comment here again, you will. Or it will be reverted unread as more useless drivel. Ravensfire (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Raven i said stop using curse words. Ok so what about this Template:Infobox Chinese-language singer and actor does this infobox is valid? It does have award parameters. Only Chinese stars represented like this? Chow Sing-Chi's infobox shows many awards and if Indian actor is represented like this it will be unneccesary. On the contrary, this template got semi protected! I have to talk about it and i'll make sure this template unlike Cantonese actors will be safe. R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 03:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry - you don't give a shit about what other people say and you have the nerve to tell me, on my talk page, what I can and cannot say? You think I fucking care about your opinion after the crap you've pulled? Yeah, good luck. You haven't responded civilly - you have ignored, begged and pleaded everywhere but where you should be discussing edits. Where you've been nudged, pointed and flat out told to discuss things. It's far, far too late for you to even think about telling me how to act. As for the other template - WP:TFD. Ravensfire (talk) 03:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	We both worked together tirelessly to put an end to Tekken Jin Kazama and his sock's illegal activities, which have successfully paid off. But most of the credit to stop him goes to you, so congratulations! Kailash29792 (talk) 04:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Woohoo! Thank YOU for your help and patience with this. The worst part about this entire situation is that TekkenJimKazama has the potential and energy to be a good editor who could really contribute to Wikipedia. They need to change how they handle disagreements and understand that a wider consensus can (and must!) override their personal preferences. I hope they will think about this and work to get unblocked with some conditions that would let them focus on what they do well. Again, thank you for trying to work with TJK and remaining cool. Ravensfire (talk) 15:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

He's Back!

TekkenJinKazama is back in a new account named MainZindaHoon (I wish he were not :P) He has opened a SPI case where he thinks you and me are the same editor using two different accounts. Please try to prove him wrong, and let the block instead fall on him (because I have already opened a SPI case against him). Kailash29792 (talk) 10:00, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting the SPI filed. We'll probably get a few of these, just revert his edits as WP:BAN, add to the SPI case and ignore them otherwise. They will eventually run out of energy and quit. For new pages, you can request a G5 Speedy Deletion as they are an obvious sock of a blocked/banned editor. Ravensfire (talk) 12:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

And now "Mr. I am the best" has returned in a new account, you won't believe what this sock's name is: Ravensfire1. He is totally off his rocker. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hahaha - that's just awesome! Ravensfire (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Editing

Thank You for your input, I am new to this,, (Lesa88 (talk) 19:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC))

Your message

I will not be editing any further on Wikipedia. You are apparently not interested in balance. In the Bundy article, you say it is written like an opinion and you wanted edits to improve that. Then you tell me infowars is not a reliable source. You didn't say what they wrote was untrue. You say I drew my own conclusions on original research. All that I wrote was based on multiple sources, many of which came from local newspaper articles in Nevada. While what is there is mostly true, the "facts" are selective and therefore have a significant bias towards those who focus only on the court cases perspective. Without the knowledge of Whittemore's Coyote Springs development and the favors he was granted as well as the solar energy plans of Rory Reid, a significant context is left out. Without the knowledge that Whittemore was convicted of illegal campaign contributions to Harry Reid, the selective enforcement of the laws against Bundy get missed. Without the knowledge that the BLM at the time of the raid was run by Reid's former advisor who was criticized for being wet behind the ears and unqualified to run the agency before he was confirmed, the bad judgment to send in the military style SWAT team is attributed to the government and not the Reid cabal. It reminds me of a western movie where the sheriff is owned by the crooks and he is used to selectively enforce the law against the honest folks. Without the knowledge of the casual enforcement of the desert tortoise by the BLM, the choice to enforce it so strictly against the last rancher being forced out is unseen. Without the knowledge that many cases of BLM seizing land from ranchers and/or driving them out of business, the abusive behavior of an all powerful agency is lost. Without the knowledge of how Texas handled a similar attempt by the BLM in Texas, the illegal behavior of the BLM and the use of local law enforcement as a way to handle such situations without arousing a nation is overlooked. The treatment of the truth in the Wikipedia covering of the Bunkerville Incident doesn't contribute to the truth and further divides an already divided nation and enflames those who believe one side is the only side fairly represented into fighting back in a last ditch manner. ```` Without the knowledge that Texas handled their similar issue— Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtLaramee (talk • contribs) 04:29, May 3, 2014

Whatever. Obviously you're here to push an agenda and right great wrongs and that doesn't go over well. Ravensfire (talk) 02:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

For your attempt at evenhandedness, alongside Liz and Bushranger, in the matter of the block of 71.239.82.39 (Le Prof). I thank you for the underlying open-mindedness, and the interrogatory approach you brought to the issues at the table.Though it did this particular process little good, and my plans for departure are still certain, your involvement was one little ray of hope (even if the sensible thinkers, you, Liz, etc., did not prevail in this case). Feel free to read the text at my User page before I leave—it is masked, but readable by choosing Edit. I will mark your Talk page, and would offer myself to help in any situation where comparable objectivity is needed. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 06:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

Raven, i have did not attacked any one but why you disabled me? Idiot i have made that account for contribs and i have didnt touch Ra.One (the page you love) or any one. I had done just contribs neither than attack or vandalised. And if you think contribs is wrong thing then this bullshit site must be banned. Because you guys have ego of this. Egoistic users. Just i made a page of Feng Wei and just block. Shitful site a must say this site must be ban. Just promoting Pornography in name of Information. Hell this site hell this crap bloody racial discriminator you i will edit and keep this to you. Fuckin site fuckin users crap 42.104.3.43 (talk) 04:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

TekkenJinKazama, if you refer to Wikipedia as "this bullshit site" which you feel "must be banned", then kindly leave Wikipedia. We Wikipedians have done nothing morally wrong. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

TJK - you have been blocked. Period. As you have repeatedly demonstrated, you don't care about Wikipedia, so why should Wikipedia care about you? There is an egotistical user here, but you need to look in a mirror to find them. If you want to return to editing, you will need to get your main account unblocked but that won't just simply happen with a wave of the hand. See WP:OFFER and also realize that any unblock will have conditions on it to prevent you from repeating what got you blocked in the first place - edit warring, ignoring consensus, creating non-notable articles and repeated copyright infringements. That is your only path forward. Read WP:OFFER. Otherwise, I suggest you find a Tekken Wikia site and edit there. Ravensfire (talk) 11:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Raven, I undid his attack on your talkpage three times, but he just undid my edits. I decided to stop to avoid WP:3RR. I think we can bring more editors to convince him to stop, so that he feels helpless against a bunch of editors rather than just two. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about his ranting here - it's usually worth a laugh. There are a few other editors that will revert and report when he hits a particular article. Ravensfire (talk) 12:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Is this a TJK sock?

Is 少林足球 a TJK sockpuppet to you? There's a lot of similar traits which feel like your typical obvious TJK sock, even the username is "Shaolin Soccer" in Chinese but I don't have much experience with tracking his edits for flags so would like a second opinion. Only reason I'm following this up at all was because of a request at RFPP which seemed like his usual MO. tutterMouse (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

@TutterMouse:Yeah, that's almost certainly a TJK sock. Odd combination of a chinese character name and interest with Bollywood film and TV topics. This edit kinda seals the deal for me - TJK has a fascination with Hari Om Entertainment and Grazing Goat. I can't imagine another editor making the link. *sigh* Nice job spotting the sock. I'll work on the SPI report but it will be a few hours at least. Ravensfire (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

See @G S Palmer: already got to this, good job by him especially gathering all those IP addresses. Anyway, remember to speedy anything he creates as G5, it doesn't require any AfDs given he's blocked and it cuts down how much he creates. tutterMouse (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup. Atama already hit the history eraser button, plus reverted many of their edits. Alas, Atama has much experience with TJK socks. Ravensfire (talk) 19:29, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion of important matter

Raven, look, i want to discuss something to you. Though i am blacklisted in the Wikipedia, but brother i want to tell you something. Please evade my Tekken Block. I promise n swear of my God i wont repeat disruptive works. Raven, atleast you help me in this. And swear i m serious this time. Ra.One is was & will be a Hindi film. And for my edits i have contributed but as sock. But i want to edit again as Tekken. This is my request to you. I swear i wont misuse my id to any Wikipedian. Grazing Goat Pictures was notable article. But socking made it to delete. Viraj Dobriyal too was notable tv character. For the last time remove my block. At least Raven i will never harass any one. Please. 42.104.2.204 (talk) 15:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

TJK, please give this unblock request via your original account. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: they wont unblock me. I want to be a good editor like you all. And im sorry i have caused you all troubles. 42.104.2.204 (talk) 15:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Jin, I have almost no faith that you'd actually follow through with anything you promise. You have not shown that you will respect the views of others, the policies of this site or consensus decisions that you don't like. Instead, you do as you want and ignore anything contrary. You KNOW that blocks are for the person, not the account. You KNOW that the consensus is against you with regards to the van Gogh article. Do you care about that? No, you don't. You create sock after sock to do it your way. You want to start changing your ways? You want to be a good editor, you have to learn to accept that you can't get everything your way. Right now, you have shown no evidence that you can do that.

How to get unblocked? Read WP:OFFER and state, on your main account's talk page, that you will follow it. That means NO edits from IP addresses. No edits from socks. Put together a list of restrictions that will help you avoid the problems you've had and promise to follow them. Ravensfire (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Brother Raven, i had made pages that were notable Viraj Dobriyal (character played by Karanvir Bohra) , Grazing Goat Pictures (a notable production house) and more. As of Gogh, brother Raven, Gogh's assassination was a worldwide issue as Gogh was killed by Muslim terrorists. And please have faith in me I wont repeat mistake. But i cannot live without edits in Wikipedia. Yaar i have just contributed just contributed. As of unblock no one will unblock me. Please from that day (the vandalistic work on Ra.One) i didnt even edited it. I m really apologising for it already. And brother Wikipedia is meant for good editing. I just done that. 42.104.2.204 (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

You are blocked. Not the account. You. You created those pages while evading that block. Once again, an example that you just don't care about the policies. They don't apply to you. You will do what you want. Guess what, that doesn't work out too well. You say you won't repeat mistakes but you keep repeating the same mistake over and over - you don't respect others. You gotta learn that to edit Wikipedia. Ravensfire (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

You want a concrete example of that? Let's take your "notable" Viraj Dobriyal article. Remember the AFD discussion on that article? Here's a link to it, just in case. The result, the consensus, was that it was not notable. Did you respect that? No. You recreated the article using sockpuppet accounts. In other words, only your opinion matters. Nobody else's. Just yours. That attitude DOES NOT WORK here. Ravensfire (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ravensfire: : Brother i have appealed my block. And after that i will not harass any one just will contribute and leave this site. You are like my brother and Goodluck. And heartily sorry for troubles. 107.167.102.128 (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion with blocked editor TJK

Well you didnt liked my edits coz i'm a sock na? But do adding English will destroy anyone's dignity. Look since 2 days i'm just roamin' in Atama 's Talk Page. Ra.One has English use. Hey Allah my power of explaination is destroyed. My inner strength has given up. Bhaiyya, Brother or Bhai (Hindi term for brother) please please dude i m not misleading or misguiding! Just for one edit i'm roaming here (despite my Prison time) just for English addition. I didnt touched Ra.One for any change except language! My Name Is Khan too was Hindi / English. Khan stated he didnt want to make in English. Does that statement had a citing source? BBFC too said Hindi and English. BBFC is reliable source and too if reliability fails, i will applaud you all. Im happy that i'm arrested. When IMDB was added (Albeit it was unreliable. I saw in reliable source guidelines) and when BBFC updated their DB you claimed it unreliable. My friend, my begging is breaking my self respect & even if i got unblocked i wont come here. For just one edit reliable becomes unreliable! 107.167.103.17 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

If you would actually search on the Ra.One article, you'd find that quote AND the source for it. It's not that hard, really. Ravensfire (talk) 16:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

TJK, I have seen Ra.One and can conclude that it is mainly a Hindi film with little-to-no English dialogues. I also did not find any sources which describe it as even a slightly English film. I have even explained this to you so many times, yet why didn't you ever learn? Kailash29792 (talk) 16:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Here's what I don't get, Jin. You want me to seriously believe that Ra.One is mostly in English. Now, let's look at the BBFC stuff. So this page has English, but read the insight section. "RA.ONE is a Hindi language film subtitled in English." Oops, that doesn't help your case at all. BBFC lists all of the different versions of the film, including the release date. If we go with the oldest, it's this page which lists Hindi as the main language. Everything I've seen, including some of the sourcees you point out, say Hindi as the main language of the original film with a small amount of English. Yes, the parameter in the template is occasionally used wrong - I cannot help that. I can correct it when I see it though and try to explain how it should be used. I've even pointed you to places to try and change it. Alas, you don't listen to any contrary arguments. You won't even consider them. Ultimately, that's why you are blocked right now. Ravensfire (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Kailash29792 / Ravensfire BBFC SITE SAYS ENGLISH (2ND LANGUAGE)! [1] BHAIYYA ITS A SOURCE! READ IT!! READ IT!! PLEASE. GOD PLEASE ALMOST DEAD FOR THIS MATTER. Click on details 107.167.103.17 (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I checked under "details" where it lists English under "other languages". Still, that does not make Ra.One a part English film, and Hindi is the only language allowed in the infobox. And talking in capital letters signifies "shouting", so please avoid it. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Ravensfire lets seal the deal. Hindi is was and will be For Ra.One. Can you help me for a matter. And by the way its not for Ra.One now?? 42.104.0.6 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't tell if you acceded because you finally understand the points we've been making or just giving up. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me. As for your request, you can always ask but I'll not make any decisions until I see your request. Ravensfire (talk) 19:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

After the latest sock proves you still don't care about Wikipedia policies, I will decline to help you any further, Jin. Truly sad, if you just could have learned, somehow, to work within Wikipedia policies. But you have failed at every turn. Ravensfire (talk) 14:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Ravensfire i am not in socking anymore (as promised to sir Atama) neither i wont make. And which sock i made prior since 3 days? And one more thing, my ip is on a track. I have a question for you and Atama sir, as a sock though, i had cited a number of reliable source for Hindi television actor Karanvir Bohra so my query is bhai that as of now that article just relied on 3 sources (which can be marked as a Stub) though i added 23 equivalent to 25. But the users ChanderForYou had diligently violated copyright which led to protection. So i want to ask Atama basically to protect the page and revive the citing sources! 42.104.3.181 (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite familiar with both IP ranges you tend to use. And since Aliewiilearn (talk · contribs) is blocked, it's not worth further attention. Ravensfire (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

As for the article, that may be possible. Not everything was sourced so I would not add it and the controversy section is just WP:TABLOID cruft. We don't put stuff like that in articles. I don't know when I'll be able to do this, it could be a few days as I'll need to review everything before adding it. Since I'm adding it, I'm responsible for the material. Ravensfire (talk) 18:06, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Tsk, tsk, tsk - you are blocked, remember, Jin? This is you evading the block again. You are blocked. Period. You have proven you cannot work with the Wikipedia community and you have been asked to leave. You ask for favors, then ignore any comments contrary. Do not ask for my help again. Ravensfire (talk) 05:22, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Whistleblower

I will be reposting your DELETE. I see Edit everywhere. If you had a problem, Edit. Reliable sources where there.Seanpboileau (talk) 05:16, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

enough CREDIBLE SOURCES for you now? You going to DELETE again? if so then I guess wikipedia is not credible as I used a Wikipedia in a couple REF. JUST SOME FYI... you get more bees with sugar than vinegar.Seanpboileau (talk) 06:36, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

@Seanpboileau: More bees with sugar than honey ... huh, and you posted the rant. And the lovely edit summary of "bull ravensomething". I did NOT remove your edit but rather left a message trying to help you. And get this rant in return. Lovely. Such a warm fuzzy feeling I get from trying to help out a bit. Ravensfire (talk) 12:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your comments on my Talk page a week ago; I thought there was a lot to agree with. People who conduct outreach like that are a cut above in my opinion. If you ever do an RfA, you'll have my vote. Being a low-volume editor, I wonder if 1 or 2 classic film synopses per year will convince antagonists that I'm making a substantial contribution here. You said "Six edits saying support for no reasons might lose to a single editor opposing who raises good, policy based views". From my perspective, it's only about who will stick around and revert, for whatever reason good or bad. I had planned on tackling some articles that need it, but I don't feel like bothering anymore. But thanks again for your comments. Useitorloseit (talk) 22:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

hello

The sources are provided. Even if few sources aren't independant, he is studying at Soas. Why we don't include it? Thanks AHLM13 talk 12:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

If you want to include that he's studying at SOAS and have a good source it, that's fine. But your edit was not reverted for that reason. If you want the SOAS information added, put it, and only that, in an edit on it's own. The "famous scholar" stuff is an exceptional claim and needs exceptional sourcing. The sources you've provided haven't even come close. A major article from a periodical totally unconnected with religion or a truly independent biography is really whats needed. A 3 sentence blurb on an advovacy website promoting him? No, that's not remotely enough. Ravensfire (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Endless Love (Indian album)

Hello Ravensfire. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Endless Love (Indian album), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not created by a banned user, or the page does not violate the user's ban. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC) @Malik Shabazz:, SPI isn't always the fasted - they have confirmed the page's author as a sock, but a clerk/admin hasn't come along to block the user yet. Up to you though. Ravensfire (talk) 13:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleted. Thanks for the link to the SPI. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 13:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Ravensfire (talk) 14:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit is supported by fact

The edit is supported by fact and meets all journalistic criteria. As to multiple posts, the other user agreed to mediation and I simply will not be bullied into removing a factual post. If you want to ban someone ban the bully.

Gonzalo Lira article

Anonymous IP user 98.113.143.89 keeps re-inserting material that violates BLP (using self-published sources). I keep reverting, but s/he keeps coming back! Help!MILH (talk) 16:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)