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ThaddeusB (talk) 21:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stop icon Your addition to Hungarian parliamentary election, 2014 has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. With this edit you added non-free text from http://www.valasztasirendszer.hu/wp-content/uploads/PC_ElectoralSystem_120106.pdf. Psychonaut (talk) 17:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Hungarian parliamentary election, 2014, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to contain material copied from http://www.bbj.hu/politics/govt-backs-off-on-voter-registration-after-constitutional-court-ruling_64514

http://www.valasztasirendszer.hu/wp-content/uploads/PC_ElectoralSystem_120106.pdf http://www.politics.hu/20111022/gyurcsany-announces-departure-from-socialists-formation-of-new-western-civic-center-left-party/ http://www.politics.hu/20140114/quotable-antal-rogan-on-the-opposition-coalition/ http://www.politics.hu/20140114/opposition-leaders-agree-on-joint-list-for-general-election/, and therefore to constitute a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policies. The copyrighted text has been or will soon be deleted. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators are liable to be blocked from editing.

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Unity (Hungary), but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to contain material copied from http://www.politics.hu/20140408/composition-of-left-wing-parliamentary-group-yet-undecided/ http://www.politics.hu/20140407/2014-hungarian-election-wrap/ http://www.politics.hu/20140307/left-wing-alliance-changes-its-name/ http://www.politics.hu/20140114/opposition-leaders-agree-on-joint-list-for-general-election/, and therefore to constitute a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policies. The copyrighted text has been or will soon be deleted. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators are liable to be blocked from editing.

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Béla Turi-Kovács, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to contain material copied from http://www.parlament.hu/kepv/eletrajz/hu/t004.pdf, and therefore to constitute a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policies. The copyrighted text has been or will soon be deleted. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators are liable to be blocked from editing.

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CCI Notice

Hello, Norden1990. This message is being sent to inform you that a request for a contributor copyright investigation has been filed at Contributor copyright investigations concerning your contributions to Wikipedia in relation to Wikipedia's copyrights policy. The listing can be found here. For some suggestions on responding, please see Responding to a CCI case. Thank you. Psychonaut (talk) 18:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kérés

A fenty leveleszés alaplyán láthom belephutottál vmi elhiwatottba. Rézvétem. Eccer már én isch megszíftam. :) Fel a fejjel! Tudok segíteni valahogy? Mellesleg hasonló ügyben kérnék segítséget itt (a képekkel kapcsolatos problémákat nem értem és nem is tudom megoldani). Van valami ötleted? Előre is köszönöm! Borsoka (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Szervusz, Borsoka! Ha segíteni akarsz neki, akkor légy szíves, ezt olvasd el. We're in great need of help from bilingual editors such as yourself to identify and remove the non-free text. —Psychonaut (talk) 14:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Kedves Psychonaut! Ne haragudj, de ez a vizsgálat egész egyszerűen nevetséges. Szerintem el kellene gondolkodnod, hogy valóban a megfelelő eljárást választottad-e. Borsoka (talk) 01:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have evaluated the CCI request concerning yourself (now at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990). You have had more than a week to respond to this, but have declined to do so. One of your first articles, Stephan Burián von Rajecz, was a copyvio and János Hargitai, your most recent article was also a copyvio. Your attempt here to address a copyvio concern is woefully inadequate. It is evident that in the 4.5 years you have edited Wikipedia, you have never understood Wikipedia's copyright policy. Therefore:

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without verifying permission. You have been previously warned that this is against policy, but have persisted.

Please take this opportunity to be sure you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

In order to continue editing, you must convince an administrator that you understand the copyright policy. You must also help clean up your previous edits, which are listed at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990. MER-C 03:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Goodbye

I'm Norden1990 (I hope, SPI investigation will not take place...)

After this unexpected and, I think, unfair ban, there was nothing left but goodbye. To tell the truth, I'm a WP fanatic, so I will have withdrawal symptoms in the next few days (or weeks). Wikipedia will miss me. Nevertheless, perhaps I also could be grateful to User:MER-C and User:Psychonaut that I got my real life back. My girlfriend is the biggest winner with this ban. :)

When I began actively editing English Wiki in 2009 (though I've already registered in 2006), lot of articles on Hungarian history did not exist or was in a disastrous condition. Fortunately, the situation is much more better than those times. We, a few enthusiastic editor gathered and recovered the articles. I also created painfully missing articles (ministers, politicians, parties etc.), though to be honest, most of them are stubs even today. Maybe the largest negative yield that it would have been a lot of things to do (historical persons and positions, parliamentary constituencies and new MPs 2014-18, academic people etc.). Well, that's the situation.

Following sentences to my fellow Hungarian editors in my mother tongue (I know, it's another violation...)

Azért is tartom fontosnak külön búcsúzni Fakirbakir, Borsoka, Koertefa szerkesztőtársaimtól (és elnézést azoktól, akiket kihagytam, s persze ugyanakkor jó viszonyt ápoltam szerb, horvát, lengyel, örmény de akár még román szerkesztőkkel is), mert úgy érzem, hogy az elmúlt években kialakult egy olyan csapat, ami képes arra, hogy a pártatlan történetírás jegyében helyre rakja a magyar ill. közép-európai vonatkozású cikkeket. Azért a különböző vitalapokon, javasolt címváltozásokon keresztül sok győzelmet megvívtunk. Sajnos, én most ebből kapitulálok (vagy éppen kivégeztek? látásmód kérdése).

A Wikipedia-ban sok lehetőség van, én hiszem, hogy egyszer el ér egy olyan színvonalat (főleg az angol), hogy az összes online és nem online enciklopédiát kiválthatja és az emberiség egyetem tudásbázisává válhat. Éppen ezért éreztem fontosnak ezt szerkeszteni, hogy minél több ember ismerje meg ezt a nagyszerű országot és annak történelmét. Na meg, egyszer eljuthatunk oda, hogy Magyarország és múltja, a többi állammal egyetemben, már csak ezekben a bejegyzésekben fog létezni... lehet, kissé nagyképűen (kissé?) hangzik, de sokszor azonosítottam a munkáinkat a középkori krónikások tevékenységéhez. Ez felemelő érzés volt. No de ennek most tényleg vége, így búcsúzom. "Minden nyárnak vége van egyszer. Beszélhetünk és megjátszhatjuk, amit akarunk, de ezen úgysem változtathatunk!"

További sikeres munkát és szerkesztést, örömmel fogom olvasni mindet.

Bye, Norden1990 --84.236.3.233 (talk) 11:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oszintem remelem, hogy meggondolod magad. Ez a kopivajoleson dolog egyszeruen nevetseges. Ezek az adminok aztan tudjak hogy lehet elvenni az ember kedvet a szerkesztestol. Az, hogy evekig itt "galyaztal" az persze nem szamit nekik ........ Fakirbakir (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nagyon-nagyon sajnálom, hogy így döntöttél. Mi lesz így mindenféle furcsa nevű tisztségviselőinkkel? Csak megjegyzem, hogy néhány évvel ezelőtt én is visszavonultam közel egy évre hasonló ok miatt. Fel a fejjel, töltsd jól az idődet, és térj vissza hamarosan! Visszavárunk. Borsoka (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Norden1990. There is no denying that you have done a lot to improve the state of many articles and subject areas here, and for that you should be commended. But at the same time you have terribly damaged Wikipedia by inserting large amounts of non-free text, in violation of the original copyright and of our project's mission to provide freely licensed content. I understand your frustration at having observed that so many articles on Hungarian history here were "painfully missing" or in a "disastrous condition". But engaging in systematic plagiarism and copyright infringement only makes things more of a disaster.
You should know that you are not banned from Wikipedia; you are only blocked until you demonstrate an understanding of the problem and a willingness to work towards fixing it. I hope you will reconsider your farewell and instead stick around to help identify and correct the copyright problems. —Psychonaut (talk) 12:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Norden1990, I have just read about your block and goodbye message. Hope this goodbye is only temporary, as I also took a bit of a Wikibreak in the past months. While I understand that copyright issues must be taken seriously, I think that you were blocked way too hastily. I truly hope that this issue will be sorted out and you will be back on board, soon, as you were one of the most active and thorough editors working on topics related to both the history of Hungary and its current politics. Cheers and don't give up, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 10:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Norden1990. I used Politics.hu articles, which are almost proper translations of Hungarian articles and statements. Furthermore, these articles are full of comments made by politicians and quotes (latter's verbatim citation is essential, I think). On the other hand, for MPs, please use List of members of the National Assembly of Hungary (2010–14). However, I've noticed, these articles are not only mere translations of CVs, because I also updated them and I also used Hungarian wikipedia (which is a free content, I assumed). That's it. "I will go home and rethink my life." Best wishes, --84.236.3.233 (talk) 18:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the above message, which you left on my talk page, here so that the conversation can be continued if necessary without you running afoul of your block. (Did you know, by the way, that you can still log in and edit your own user talk page while blocked? It is better not to use an IP account, as this calls into question whether it's really you who's making the edits, and moreover compromises your privacy.)
Thank you for the information about your edits. Yes, it seems most of the English text has been copied from Politics.hu (though there's also a lot from the BBC, the New York Times, and other news sources). You should know that text and images from these sites are almost always non-free content which cannot be used on Wikipedia, even if you cite it. You are free to rely on such sources for facts, but the presentation of these facts must be wholly your own words. (Of course, there are exceptions for things like direct quotations from public figures.) Copying text and then making minor or superficial modifications to it, such as changing a word here and there, is known as close paraphrasing, and is still a copyright violation.
Material from other Wikimedia projects, such as the German and Hungarian editions of Wikipedia, is fine to copy, translate, and modify, provided that it's done in accordance with the terms of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 Licence. In short, this means that you must conspicuously acknowledge the source of the material; if you don't do this it's an infringement of copyright. We have a number of templates that can be used to provide the required acknowledgment for text which is copied or translated from other free content projects, so if/when your block is lifted you should familiarize yourself with these.
It would be great if you could identify for us which of the articles you edited were copied from which sources. In many cases it's easy for us to identify the source, since it's usually one which you've cited using a <ref> tag. However, in other cases you have copied or translated text from non-free web content or from the Hungarian or German Wikipedias, but have not given any clues as to the source. This forces us to spend time searching the web and the other Wikipedias for the source. Perhaps you have recollections about specific cases? —Psychonaut (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
>Did you know, by the way, that you can still log in and edit your own user talk page while blocked?
Yes, you should be doing this. I'm going to look the other way regarding the block evasion. If you want the IP removed see WP:RFO.
>Material from other Wikimedia projects, such as the German and Hungarian editions of Wikipedia, is fine to copy, translate, and modify
Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia covers this briefly.
The door is not closed to your future editing. I (or some other administrator) will seriously consider unblocking you if you can demonstrate understanding of the problem with your edits, that you will avoid them and that you will help us clean them up. This discussion pretty much covers it. To request unblocking, follow the instructions above.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could tell us about any print sources you have plagiarized. We will try to salvage what we can, but if we can't access a print source presumptive removal may be necessary. MER-C 07:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I used print sources only for historical functions and persons (voivodes, palatines, bishops, chancellors), but those articles are not "plagiarized" works. --Norden1990 (talk) 23:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Norden1990.

From your last note above, I fear that you may have misunderstood Wikipedia's copyright policies. In case this is the situation, I will try to explain a little better and hope this will help.

Wikipedia is run by a US-based company and therefore must conform to United States law, including copyright law. Our copyright policy was created to comply with this law. In brief, content is presumed to be copyrighted at its creation, unless the US law says it is not eligible for protection. Copyright expires, for instance, after a relatively length term (a period of decades, generally, after publication or, usually, the death of the author). While the US government does not claim copyright on its own publications, it allows governments in other nation to claim copyright on almost everything they produce. Copyright law prevents us in most cases from copying, directly translating or too closely reproducing copyrighted text. Brief quotations are generally allowed under fair use; Wikipedia's approach to fair use is explained at WP:NFC. In essence, if a source is copyrighted, you can only copy a little from it, and you must mark the copied content with quotation marks or block quotes or another indicator that you are directly quoting. Saying "According to" is not enough to indicate that you are quoting, unless you also use quotation marks. All quotations must be followed directly by a citation.

If we can prove that content is not copyrighted, or if it is compatibly licensed, we can copy it, but we have to acknowledge that we are copying or closely paraphrasing to comply with Wikipedia:Plagiarism. Otherwise, we need to put all content on Wikipedia in our own language, written to conform to but not too closely follow our sources. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Moonriddengirl, why did you delete all texts in Unity (Hungary)? "History" section was definitely not "copyvio" work and also contained a useful table created myself (candidates and gained seats). On this basis, delete my all edits since 2006, no need for this "investigation process". --Norden1990 (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that this must be a shock, and I have all faith that your contributions have been made with good intentions. Given your subsequent behavior, I think probably you are more interested in helping to resolve these issues than your note above indicated, so I'm going to try to explain a little more how this process works.
When content is flagged for copyright concerns from a user who has been demonstrated to have copied content from multiple sources over a long range of time, it is generally blocked for about a week to allow community members an opportunity to rewrite the material. After that week, the content may be removed by an administrator - administrators may take the time to rebuild the material, but will not necessarily do so. It's simply not possible for the few people who work in copyright to do this for every article, and unfortunately more complex articles are the most difficult to salvage, even if often very important. This is the reason why the big template is put on articles - it is to encourage people who care about the article to help out.
There is no desire to delete all of your edits. While policy permits this in such situations, the WP:CCI process was created to prevent it. I know, because I was part of the creation of that process. The editors who work at CCI do their best to identify articles in which problems exist so that those in which they do not are not impacted. When they do find problems, they flag the content to allow interested editors the opportunity to help before the content is deleted.
As the template itself advises, the best way to help is to rebuild the material from scratch. This is a time-consuming process, but avoids creating a derivative work. Where issues exist like these - copying is pervasive and scattered through the work from multiple sources, including faithful translation from Hungarian sources - it's really the only way. You cannot easily rewrite this material sentence by sentence.
I gather from your contribution history that you have done quite a lot to try to bring information about Hungarian politics and persons of interest to the world. Personally, I have no interest in stopping you from doing so. I'd much rather you did. If you want to help, we really need some indication that you understand what our copyright requirements are on English Wikipedia (including the need to thoroughly rewrite content and not paraphrase too closely) and that you will comply with them. At that point, you would be very welcome to help clean up articles where problems have been identified. Others who have been through the WP:CCI process have done so very successfully. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Request my eternal ban

Dear User:Psychonaut and User:Ronhjones. Since a still active sockpuppeteer over and over will try to relegate me from en.wiki and other WP projects, I request my ban forever. It's obvious Iaaasi affects editing in Wikipedia, Ronhjones used the same unfounded reasons against me as Iaaasi did in Commons (maybe after an e-mail contact, I suppose). Formerly a user was blocked because he was marked as my sockpuppet after report of dear Iaaasi's sockpuppet. Later this editor found me in hu.wiki and asked my help to resolve the problem. The next victim was Tomasso89, who is a different, passive editor from hu.wiki. This guy was also blocked as my sockpuppet just because fully translated Hungarian version of this article to the english wiki (I think I was a better quality, in comparison to this...). After a series of vandalism, a totally inappropriate administrator User:Tiptoety protected the page Viktor Orbán referring my persistent sock-puppetry. Where? As I was involved in large amount of Hungarian-related articles, from insignificant MPs to Presidents, royals etc, from all Hungarian history-related articles to politics, sports and everything, it's obvious I will not have the chance to appeal my block, because you can always say "where Norden1990 had contributed in the past with his main account." , following the instructions User:Iaaasi, who still edit articles under IPs. As a result I ask administartors to ban my user name forever, forgetting my useful and constructive edits here. I'm curious who will update the Hungarian political events and new developments after that... I had no chance to fix my serious error (as this is untouched since May, it's still active issue) and there is a provocative and destructive user, Iaaasi who will return in April 2015 despite of his sockpuppets and vandal activities (like this, so I have no place here. --Norden1990 (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on the SPI page - Forwarding message delivered at OTRS 2014121110008477 - this was just an e-mail sent to the Foundation. and they did not give a user name (just a real one). We get all sort of e-mails at OTRS from people unable/unwilling to edit for various reasons - we don't ignore them, we just advise or copy the text to an appropriate place. It is not anything I've personally discovered. It will be up to the admins that patrol API to make a decision. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:04, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Helló

Olvastam a fenti üzeneted. Én mégis javasolom (=kérlek :) ), próbálj meg visszatérni közénk. Mikor lesznek újabb szócikkeink a furcsa nevű tisztségviselőinkről? Mint tudod, én más területekre koncentrálok, ritkán tudok velük foglalkozni. Például a királyi hercegeinkkel, királynéinkkal is kellene kezdeni valamit, valamint szeretném folytatni kedvenc Délkelet- és Közép-Európa projektem (ha megnézed az új GA-kat és a GAN-eket, láthatod, egész jól haladok). Viszont nem ártana, ha többen átnéznék az általam bővítgetett cikkeket, mert sokszor kimaradnak fontos részletek, máskor meg belemegyek olyan részletekbe, amik a kutyát sem érdeklik. Mindenesetre BUÉK. Borsoka (talk) 16:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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