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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Dreg102 (talk | contribs) at 01:11, 1 April 2015 (→‎Assault Weapon Vs. MSR: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Victims' names edits.

I'm mostly neutral on the subject of Mr. Dorner. I'm not neutral on the subject of his victims. They have far too little attention and their names have been swept under the rug. Let's give them and their surviving families at least the closure of their names being mentioned somewhat prominently on Wikipedia. I'm not certain whether the heading for Mr. Crain's death should read "murder" or "ambush", but for consistency I put murder, as it was premeditated to some degree, and ambush is more a tactical term than legal. The deaths of Mr. MacKay and Mr. Dorner I left as "deaths" as the various degrees of premeditation are disputed, involving radio intercepts and police terminology that has been interpreted variously.Pär Larsson (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re "Let's give them and their surviving families at least the closure of their names being mentioned somewhat prominently on Wikipedia." — I don't think that's a consideration when editing an article and mentioning them in the headings didn't seem to work well. --Bob K31416 (talk) 21:24, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. The "Manual" says, "Keep headings short". – Herzen (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Police dispatch logs released

The LA Times has a story about the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department releasing dispatch logs related to the Dorner manhunt. The article contains a link to the logs themselves. It doesn't say anything we didn't already know or that is not in the Wikipedia article.

Still, our article might mention that the logs have been released, although I don't know where to work that in. Also, someone might want to look through the logs (I haven't) to see if there's anything there that might be used in the article. – Herzen (talk) 20:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Special Forces combatant

Dorner was never a "Special Forces combatant." First of all, "Special Forces" refers only to the United States Army Special Forces, which he could not have been a part of as a member of the Navy. Secondly, neither of his units were Special Operations units. As such, I have removed the erroneous information. 208.40.242.41 (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 2013 report by LAPD re Dorner firing

LAPD: Firing of Christopher Dorner 'sound and just' CNN
Police Commission questions why Christopher Dorner was ever hired by LAPD Southern California Public Radio
LAPD's firing of Christopher Dorner was justified, report says LA Times
--Bob K31416 (talk) 01:44, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting accounts regarding fire

The article states that incendiary devices were used to start the fire on February 12. However, it seems there are conflicting accounts about what happened. Therefore, this should not be stated in such a matter-of-fact manner, but instead be described with reference to the source of information. For instance: "At time T, the building caught fire. Joe Shmoe has alleged that incendiary gas cannisters were used, based on X, Y, and Z. A statement released by P states that no incendiary devices were used." 67.188.230.128 (talk) 06:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the LA Times article, it becomes clear that the problem was misleading language in the article. The devices used were not "incendiary gas canisters", but rather tear gas grenades (which are known have the potential to start fires). The debate is over whether the canisters were intentionally used for the purpose of starting a fire, or whether the fire was an unintended side effect. I fixed this, although the wording is a bit awkward and could likely be improved. 67.188.230.128 (talk) 07:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect of Christopher Droner article

Even though I appreciate the users effort. I think it is hasty to redirect an article like Christopher Dorner without consensus for this redirect. We need more input.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:42, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assault Weapon Vs. MSR

The term "Assault Weapon" is incorrect in this instance. The rifles being labeled are AR-15's, which are MSR (Modern Sporting Rifles.) The term Assault Weapon is a non-descriptive, political term, and not one used by the industry. The lobby group that represents the firearm industry (The NSSF) is very clear on this subject. "AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today's modern sporting rifle." http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm Dreg102 01:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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