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Boat People

In [Historical & contemporary crises --> {Boat People}], you find the following:

beginning: "===Boat people===

Main article: Boat people

The term "boat people" came into common use in the 1970s with the mass exodus of Vietnamese refugees following the Vietnam War.when they drove in by boat they are totally called the national people thats how the term "boat people came into session.

It is a widely used form of migration for people migrating from Cuba, Haiti, Morocco, Vietnam or Albania. They often risk their lives on dangerously crude and overcrowded boats to escape oppression or poverty in their home nations. Events resulting from the Vietnam War led many people in Cambodia, Laos, and especially Vietnam to become refugees in the late 1970s and 1980s. In 2001, 353 asylum seekers sailing from Indonesia to Australia drowned when their vessel sank.

This makes no sense and is reallly confusing. It is an especially bad article if your first languages did not include English!

I don't know how to make it better/revise it because I don't even understand what he is trying to say here. I also feel uncomfortable with the first paragrphy thingie that attempts to give the history of the phrase "boat people" because it is ambiguously racist...

Overall these paragraphs seem like something Michael Scott would write/say about "boat people".

Socialo-anarcho-catholic (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)Socialo-anarcho-catholic[reply]

Images

I think that for the article, the images of destination and origin countries does not provide a good perspective; this as both countries overlap; also a country switches from being a major host to major origin country and vice versa depending on the year. Instead, perhaps we could make a map where:

  • Net refugees leaving are added with those coming in.

For this a table is needed with exact numbers of refugees leaving a country of origin, and the numbers of refugees entering this same country. The table at http://www.unhcr.org/4981c3dc2.html seems to be suitable; but data is of 2007; perhaps a newer map (of 2010-2011) can be made ?

Note that in the revision history of the origin map, you will also find an early attempt at this, but it wasn't accurate enough so I reverted it; however it can be used and improved with new/more accurate data.

91.182.223.91 (talk) 08:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

false statistics asserted without citation

I am not familiar with the protocol for editing, please forgive.

In the introduction, it is asserted that "The U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants gives the world total as 62,000,000 refugees." There is no citation, and the number is wildly inflated. The 2009 *World Refugee Survey* published by the USCRI lists the number of refugees as 13,599,900 -- see http://www.uscrirefugees.org/2010Website/5_Resources/5_5_Refugee_Warehousing/5_5_4_Archived_World_Refugee_Surveys/5_5_4_7_World_Refugee_Survey_2009/5_5_4_7_1_Statistics/RefugeesandAsylumseek.pdf

UNHCR has similar numbers. Being unfamiliar with the editing process, I am not going to risk making changes, but somebody should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.192.201 (talk) 15:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • According to Roberto Savio at IPS http://www.ipsnews.net/2015/11/paris-the-refugees-and-europe/ " We have now 60 million refugees. They would make the 23rd country of the world. But refugees are coming not only from war, but also because of sex discrimination (homosexuals in Africa, girls in Boko Harama and Yazhid territories); religions (just think of the Rohinga in Myanmar); climate refugees (they will grow exponentially, after 2020, since the coming conference of Paris will not solve climate warming)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.252.107.21 (talk) 04:46, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Climate and Refugees

Some alterations were made in the 'Climate' section as the old text was a bit alarmist in its stance. When time allows some additional info will be added to this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by General Ignorance (talk • contribs) 8 August 2011

Definition is too Loose

I came to this article to see what Wikipedia defines "Refugee" as since another poster had a problem I had in a discussion board regarding whether or not a certain individual should be considered a refugee. Naturally, I thought it was clear that he was not. But this being Wikipedia and understanding the culture, at least a little, I wanted to see where the other poster might be coming from. Frankly, if he is using the definition in the opening paragraph, especially the first sentence- "A refugee is a person who has been pushed away from his home and seeks refuge elsewhere"- then I have a feeling no compromise will be reached.

That first sentence is extremely broad. For instance, when Bush was in office many Americans dreamed about "fleeing" to Canada. In fact, many did as there was a significant uptick in emigration by Americans to Canada. These people would be considered "refugees" according to this article. No reasonable person would conclude this. For an individual to have been a refugee, there must be clear external force of some type directed at a group. Not feelings of dislike by the larger culture or dominant culture in a society since, well, look at America where many groups feel oppressed or disliked. Feeling (aka "pushing) and actually being directly oppressed through laws and decrees are very different things. There has to be complete suspension of rights, violation of person, etc. So for instance German Jews in the 30's would count as the Nazis imposed laws directly interdicting their rights. This is more than just "pushing." Whereas Polish and Jews would not be considered refugees until at the earliest 1939, Russian Jews 1941 (when the Germans invaded Russia), and so on. But according to this article, in hindsight, I could interpret all Jews leaving Europe post WW1 with the rise of Fascism (which occurred over two decades as "refugees" as the macro European culture began to become ever more so hostile upon some level of interpretation. It is interpretation that now defines "refugee" which I think makes it political and hurts real refugees.

So to some up this definition has to be tightened up and the UN definition or some other authority needs to be made the focus of the definition. Frankly, I would like to see some citation on that first sentence and who it was derived. Thanks! Just my two cents...BinaryLust (talk) 03:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Economic Refugee

I would argue strongly that this term requires an article of its own, rather than being submerged into the umbrella term 'refugee'Politis (talk) 09:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Norway

"Refugees in Norway" has not been written yet. ("Refugees in India has been written.)

What other links might such an article need?

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Glaring Omission

Ecuador is missing in the table of countries with large numbers of refugees. Jhs 3345 (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the general estimate to the UNHCR estimate from June 2011 as stated in CIA The World Factbook

As earlier pointed out the previous estimed was widely inflated. I used the figures provided in the CIA World Factbook, hope this gives a more correct estimate. 

(M4g1c14n (talk) 23:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Table of Refugees

The table of refugee destination countries in the "Reasons for refugee crises" section was titled "Total Asylum Seekers in 2011" This is incorrect. The table was sourced from an article in the Guardian. The table in the referenced article has columns for 2010, 2011 and a "Total". Figures in the Total column are not for 2011 or even for 2010 AND 2011 which is obvious from inspection. They are actually for the years 2007 to 2011 as shown in the spreadsheet linked to in the Guardian article at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdFljdWFfdU0tTy1qRVpjM3hNZ01GMkE#gid=0 The writer/editor of the Guardian article has mislabeled the table displayed in the article. I have therefore altered the title to "Total Asylum Seekers 2007 to 2011" as it correctly labels the source data from the Guardian article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.129.173.106 (talk) 16:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unaccompanied asylum seeking children

Hello! I am in the process of creating a new Wikipedia page focusing on unaccompanied asylum-seeking children, also known as separated children or unaccompanied refugee minors.

As unrest continues in much of the world, more refugees are attempting to leave their countries of origin for a safer existence elsewhere. Despite their clear need, unaccompanied asylum-seeking children (UASC) are becoming a more politically contentious issue. Particularly within the last few years, the economic recession has led to a wider xenophobia and dislike of immigrants through much of the developed world. This unfortunately extends to asylum seekers in many OECD countries, especially within the European Union. Asylum seekers are characterized as free-riders who do not actually need asylum, and are simply attempting to exploit OECD countries’ resources. A Wikipedia page on unaccompanied asylum-seeking children could have a positive impact on many people’s understanding of who exactly is seeking asylum in many of these countries. UASC in particular receive comparatively little media attention despite their need for greater care, so a page devoted to them specifically is a needed source of information for people in many countries.

I considered whether it would be better to add this page as a section of “asylum seeker” but ultimately decided that a UASC Wikipedia entry needed to stand on its own. I do think that a page devoted entirely to UASC is necessary in and of itself, since in general separated children are classified separately from asylum seekers, due to their being cared for by their host country’s social services. They receive far different treatment than other asylum seekers and refugees, and therefore have a vastly different experience of the refugee process. Furthermore, asylum is such a contentious political issue that I think that adding a section on unaccompanied asylum-seeking children to the asylum seeker page would be seen as a political act more than an encyclopedic one by some of the page’s users. Though I will certainly link to the page, I think that the issues surrounding separated children are distinct enough that UASC really need an entire separate entry in order to fully explore the issues.

Are there any frequent issues that have emerged with the Refugee page that I should look out for while creating this page? Does anyone have ideas for sources that I should be examining? Thank you for your help!

Allisonraven (talk) 19:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to the heading "Southeastern Europe," and reference to "ethnic Macedonians:" they did not exist at that time and neither did any other Macedonia except for the ancient/ modern Greek one. They were Greeks from the ancient/modern kingdom of Macedonia and identified at Greek. "The 'Pedomasoma' is a compound word that literally means "the gathering up of children." It entered the Greek vocabulary in March of 1948, when the Communist provisional government announced a new policy over its radio: all children between the ages of three and fourteen in the occupied regions of northern Greece (Epirus, Macedonia), would be collected and sent to "people's democracies" behind the Iron Curtain that had offered to take them in. According to the announcement, this decision was made in order to protect the children in the war zones from cruelties perpetrated by the attacking fascist soldiers: hunger due to crop destruction, bombings and lootings. This newest move of the "government" of Markos Vafiadis was intended to be a brilliant propaganda coup. It would dramatize to the world the dangers imposed on civilians by the Greek armed forces and win international sympathy for the guerrillas. Furthermore, having their children held hostage in Communist bloc countries would ensure the loyalty of parents left behind in the mountain villages. And finally, the children would be indoctrinated in the party's philosophy and grow to provide future Greek Communist cadres of young militants.

It was a propaganda move that backfired prodigiously. At first the foreign correspondents of the international press, many of whom covered the war from the bar of the Grande-Bretagne Hotel in Athens, portrayed the 'pedomasoma' as an authentically humanitarian move and dismissed reports that the children were being abducted. But as more and younger children were taken from their mothers, the United Nations condemned the 'pedomasoma,' and the Athens Government effectively used the program to help turn international opinion against the insurgents. Domestically, the abduction of the children to Eastern Europe added credibility to the government's charge that the guerillas were betraying Greece to Slavic interests.

The abduction of their children was the final straw that turned the people of the occupied villages against the guerillas and eroded the wide base of popular support that they once enjoyed in northern Greece. Growing incidences of violence by the guerillas added to the disenchantment of the civilians.

By the end of 1948, more than 28,000 Greek children had been taken away from their parents to camps throughout the Communist bloc. From the Mourgana villages, 300 were sent to Albania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. Ten years would pass before the first children were allowed back into Greece. Many never returned. A dozen former children taken from Lia are still scattered in Communist countries from Poland to Romania to Tashkent. Nevertheless, many Greek Communists insist today that there was never such a thing as the 'pedomasoma,' and that no children were removed against their parents' will.

The program was, in fact, voluntary at first, but after a month, only 1,100 children from Greece were sent willingly by their parents to the Iron Curtain camps. The guerillas hadn't reckoned on the deep-rooted Greek tradition of family solidarity. Even after eight years of war and famine the women of the mountain villages could not be induced to hand over their children to strangers in foreign lands. Finally the guerillas decided that more stringent measures of collecting the children had to be initiated."

"The strongest concentrations of guerillas were based on two mountain strongholds with their backs to Communist countries-Mourgana in western Epiros and Vitsi in western Macedonia, where the borders of Yugoslavia, Albania and Greece converge."

"Giorgina Ventis tracked the prisoners back across the Agora and was just climbing the small rise......when she was frozen in her tracks by a scream, a woman's voice, the most terrible sound she had ever heard. The harsh cry contained all the sorrow and pain of the universe and it formed itself into words: "My children!" Then there was a volley of shots." (The execution of Eleni Gatzoyiannis for not allowing her children to be taken.)

" The children taken in the 'pedomasoma' from the Mourgana villages were sent to Rumania, while their parents found themselves in Hungary or Poland; the girls conscripted as 'andartinas' wound up in Russia or Czechoslovakia." Excerpts from "Eleni" - Nicholas Gage (Gatzoyiannis) former investigative reporter and foreign correspondent for The New York Times, surviving son of "Eleni." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.87.69 (talk) 06:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Queer Refugees

This is part of college class assignment where we contribute to Wikipedia regarding an area of social justice.

There is a lot of documentation of queer people seeking asylum or emigrating because of abuse, bullying, and/or discrimination resulting from their perceived or actual sexual orientation. This topic is absent from the Refugee article. I think a section could be added under "Reasons for refugee crises" entitled LGBT Discrimination, Sexual Discrimination, or Sexual Orientation Discrimination. There is also a possibility LBGT discrimination could be considered a contemporary crisis (though the use of the word "crisis" may seem too extreme) and a section could be added to "Historical and contemporary crises". In addition to potentially adding a section to the Refugee article, I plan to create a separate article called "Queer Migration" documenting history, causes, and instances of queer migration.

Should this topic be presented in another area of Wikipedia like "Migrant Workers"? Let me know what you think of any of these ideas.

Cebrown721 (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

what countries do refugees come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HUg0005 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note 47 does not work

The link is dead.

I'm not sure what to do next — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.65.36.129 (talk) 22:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Think this must now be link #45 re: "Remembrance (Zeithain Memorial Grove)". This has been fixed. Meclee (talk) 23:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Balkans replaced with Southeastern Europe, word Christian removed

Recent edits have seen 'Balkans' replaced with 'Southeastern Europe', word 'Christian' removed diff Jonpatterns (talk) 11:04, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Balkans has been re-inserted in the region. Meclee (talk) 23:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Refugee

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Refugee's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Gibney":

  • From Greek genocide: Matthew J. Gibney, Randall Hansen. (2005). Immigration and Asylum: from 1900 to the Present, Volume 3. ABC-CLIO. p. 377. ISBN 1-57607-796-9. The total number of Christians who fled to Greece was probably in the region of I.2 million with the main wave occurring in 1922 before the signing of the convention. According to the official records of the Mixed Commission set up to monitor the movements, the "Greeks' who were transferred after 1923 numbered 189,916 and the number of Muslims expelled to Turkey was 355,635 [Ladas I932, 438-439; but using the same source Eddy 1931, 201 states that the post-1923 exchange involved 192,356 Greeks from Turkey and 354,647 Muslims from Greece].
  • From Population exchange between Greece and Turkey: Matthew J. Gibney, Randall Hansen. (2005). Immigration and Asylum: from 1900 to the Present, Volume 3. ABC-CLIO. p. 377. ISBN 1-57607-796-9. The total number of Christians who fled to Greece was probably in the region of I.2 million with the main wave occurring in 1922 before the signing of the convention. According to the official records of the Mixed Commission set up to monitor the movements, the "Greeks' who were transferred after 1923 numbered 189,916 and the number of Muslims expelled to Turkey was 355,635 [Ladas I932, 438–439; but using the same source Eddy 1931, 201 states that the post-1923 exchange involved 192,356 Greeks from Turkey and 354,647 Muslims from Greece.
  • From Armenians: Gibney, Matthew J. (2005). Immigration and asylum: from 1900 to the present. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO. p. 13. ISBN 978-1-57607-796-2.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:24, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

The entire subsection "United States" under "Movements in the Americas" looks like it's been plagiarized from this website: http://trendwave.com/spirituality-and-religion/refugee---political-refugee---politics-article. I'm new to Wiki--is there a protocol for this?Waleli24 (talk) 05:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)waleli24[reply]

Hi Waleli24. Thanks for flagging up your concerns. The page explaining what to do in the case of plagiarism is Wikipedia:Copyright violations. However, in this case, it looks as if the plagiarism is the other way around and that website is plagiarised from the Wikipedia article. You'll notice that the webpage is only three months old, which is more recent that the text in the Wikipedia article, and there are also telltale signs such as "see Repatriation of Poles", which is the text of a link to another Wikipedia article that has been copied without the underlying link. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Asylum seeker redirect

At present, Asylum seeker redirects here, to "refugee" I want to begin a redirect discussion not on "refugee" but on "asylum seeker", to redirect it to Right of asylum Reasons is that even though some media refer to migrants, including the migrants in the European migrant crisis as "asylum seekers", this usage is both inaccurate and POV. Asylum seekers should be redirected to Right of asylum with a hat note.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect points to the "asylum seekers" section in this article. That seems as appropriate a target as the article on the right of asylum, particularly since the latter doesn't really discuss the demographics. Huon (talk) 18:35, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I now see how badly written and this entire article is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E.M.Gregory (talk • contribs) 20:46, 19 November 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

Refugee ≠ migrant

This is a highly problematic article. It is sloppily conflates refugees and migrants (political migrants with economic migrants). I see that this problem has been flagged on this page at least since 2011. Tagging for improvement. The definition of refugee is given at the top of the page; the article needs a thorough edit to follow its own definition.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This page about Refugees is lacking a summary on how to best deal with a refugee crysis.

Also the biggest refugee movements are not listed: Lemuria Atlantis Exodus of Egypt

It would be nice to see the philosophical topic covered if you every human is a refugee when he dies and knocks on heavens door...

I hope this page will give hope and solution to future generation of refugees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.204.10 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 11 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

It is important to note that Wikipedia is not a guidebook. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Table format

The table at Refugee#Modern and contemporary refugee crises runs from 2014 on the left to 2008 on the right. Surely this should be the other way round given that we read from left to right? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Please mention the "rapefugee" posters - then upload photos

Be neutral. Simply mention what, why and when that happened, very analytically. Mention rightist, leftist and refugee crimes without to support any side.

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