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Who was first

Was Bairbre de Brún or Mary Lou McDonald the first elected MEP? Each page is claiming they were - is there any way of determining which takes precedent in any seniority rankings? Timrollpickering 23:19, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Mary Lou McDonald was, by one day. Bairbre de Brun is more "senior" in the party, I'd guess. Kiand 19:59, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I updated the image in the article.--padraig3uk 11:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup?

What part of this article exactly do you think requires a clean up? I find nothing specifically wrong with it, please discuss, I will remove the tag if there are no suggestions.--Freikorp (talk) 18:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thomas Murphy

Could someone explain why we need the term "convicted criminal" in the sentence "McDonald initially backed convicted criminal Thomas "Slab" Murphy as a "good republican" despite being found guilty on nine charges of tax evasion", since it already says he was found guilty of tax evasion. It is pointless duplcation.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 13:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe because he is a convicted criminal... IrishSpook (talk) 13:03, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That does not explain why it needs to be said twice in the same sentence.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not. IrishSpook (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence refers to him being convicted of tax evasion, since when is that not a criminal conviction? Mo ainm~Talk 13:07, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am curious as to whether User:DanceHallCrasher and User:Mo ainm are the same person, the timing and coincidences seem odd. User:DanceHallCrasher has already been linked to the sockpuppets User:Gob Lofa and User:Lapsed Pacifist. Has there been an investigation? IrishSpook (talk) 13:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Gone quiet are we? IrishSpook (talk) 13:20, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Nice deflection yeah there was and no connection so would you like to continue the discussion or just throw your toys out of the pram? Since when was tax evasion not a criminal conviction? Mo ainm~Talk 13:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same as Mary Lou's introduction on this article. "Mary Lou McDonald (born 1 May 1969) is an Irish politician, the Vice-President of Sinn Féin and a Teachta Dála (TD) for Dublin Central.[2] McDonald was a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from 2004 to 2009, representing the Dublin constituency." We don't just assume she is an Irish politician based on the fact she was elected at whatever dates, etc. Same applies for good aul Slab Murphy, a convicted criminal... found guilty on 9 counts of tax evasion. No one other than someone who has a problem with the truth would object to this trivial sideshow. IrishSpook (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment - Thomas Murphy

Does the sentence "McDonald initially backed convicted criminal Thomas "Slab" Murphy as a "good republican" despite being found guilty on nine charges of tax evasion" need to include the term "convicted criminal" since his tax evasion convictions are already mentioned? Mo ainm~Talk 13:35, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We already have a discussion above. And yes. WP:POINT anyone? IrishSpook (talk) 13:36, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment - Mary Lou

Does the sentence "Mary Lou McDonald (born 1 May 1969) is an Irish politician, the Vice-President of Sinn Féin and a Teachta Dála (TD) for Dublin Central. McDonald was a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from 2004 to 2009, representing the Dublin constituency." need to include the term "Irish politician" since her election details and dates are already mentioned? IrishSpook (talk) 13:39, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Barack Obama's article starts with "is an American politician serving as the 44th President of the United States", WP:POINT anyone? Mo ainm~Talk 13:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No way!! I concede. IrishSpook (talk) 13:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Troubles restrictions

I see no reason why Mary Lou McDonald should be a party to the troubles restrictions. She was a member of Fianna Fail during the 1998 Good Friday Agreement and only stood for Sinn Fein (unsuccessfully) in 2002, after "The Troubles" were over. Not one of the other 22 Sinn Fein TDs bar Gerry Adams (who was actually active during the troubles with SF/IRA) has this restriction on their talk page. IrishSpook (talk) 14:24, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"All articles related to The Troubles, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland falls under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24 hour period). When in doubt, assume it is related. Deputy leader of one of the main protagonists in The Troubles, is without doubt directly connected to the Troubles let alone "reasonably construed". Mo ainm~Talk 14:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
1. None of the other 22 SF TDs have this restriction apart from Adams. 2. You are using the restriction to suit your own agenda. If it didn't say "convicted criminal Thomas Murphy", you wouldn't have placed the restriction in the talk page. IrishSpook (talk) 14:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is at least the second time you have accused me of having an agenda, and I've asked you to remain civil on a couple of previous occasions so could you please desist from personal attacks and deal with the content, not your perceived notions, also if you honestly think that any SF member isn't covered by Troubles restrictions just because it doesn't have the template on the talk then it says a lot about your competency to edit here, seeing as you have breached the 1RR on this article and then edit warred on the talk page also maybe you aren't competent enough to edit in a volatile area like The Troubles. Mo ainm~Talk 15:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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