User talk:JohnCD

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RevDel request

JohnCD - pardon the unsolicited inquiry, I got your name from the "Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests" category. I am requesting two items in my block log (the only two, here - [1]) undergo RevisionDeletion. A brief explanation follows:

• Prior to 24JUN2016 I had no disciplinary history on Wikipedia and have faithfully worked to abide by all WP policies.
• On 24JUN2016 I was blocked, for the first time. The block was set at 30 days.
• As you can see from the discussion, a number of editors spontaneously opined that it was a "bad block". This discussion spilled across several pages and, in a subsequent ruling, Deryck Chan summarized that "There was overwhelming consensus that LavaBaron's earlier block was unjustifiable". Sphilbrick said there were "troubling things" with the block and subsequently intervened to request the block be lifted.[2]
• Less than 24 hours after applying the 30 day block, the blocking admin pulled it with the note "I misunderstood something". [3]

There is not only consensus, but in fact unanimous concurrence (less one), that the block was erroneously applied. In realpolitik, blocks have a two-form effect: (a) protection of WP from faithless edits, (b) punishment through a "Scarlet Letter" effect. While the block was almost immediately lifted as a misunderstanding, without a Revision Deletion of the block log, I will be made to endure punishment, in the form of the "Scarlet Letter" effect, as long as my account is active (which I hope is for many years to come). For this reason I am requesting my Block Log undergo RevDel. As Admins will continue to be able to view my unaltered log, I do not feel this would manipulate or negatively impact recordkeeping, but merely minimize the public embarrassment I will otherwise permanently have to endure as a result of an error in the use of the admin toolset over which I had no control. LavaBaron (talk) 14:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Is revdel even possible? --S Philbrick(Talk) 14:09, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@LavaBaron: rev-delling the block log is technically possible, but I'm afraid it is not permitted - the policy is at Wikipedia:Revision deletion#Log redaction. I don't think you need be concerned - a block reversed within an hour, by the blocking admin, with edit summary "I misunderstood something" is not really a Scarlet Letter. JohnCD (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

JohnCD thanks very much for your fast reply and I appreciate your explanation to me it's not permitted. Based on your, and other, feedback received it sounds like it will be easier if I just wrap-up some outstanding edits and articles I'm working on with this account and then vanish it and maybe try returning with a clean start account in a year or two. LavaBaron (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You can certainly do a WP:CLEANSTART if you wish, but I really don't think it necessary. Many highly-respected citizens, including your blocking admin and at least one Arbitrator have non-blank block logs. JohnCD (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

New user, not so innocent?

You have Mfd an article by User:Derpface7 yesterday. I have made another Mfd on another draft. He is, I believe, doing some sockpuppetry here, [Revision] as 71.163.181.110. Same style same article names. I have found several articles where one line of faux history has been added to an article, typically in the New York state area, and reverted them. Here I reverted a link to a draft article, don't know if that's kosher. No citations and I added help to his talk page. I'm not an admin, so letting you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cotton2 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 11 July 2016‎

@Cotton2: hmmm, looks a bit odgy, but I don't think there's enough there to block, and he does seem to have some constructive contributions. I'll keep an eye. Thanks. JohnCD (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Deletion: Noel C. Spencer

Hello JohnCD,

I saw that you deleted Noel C. Spencer today for questionable notability. I understand that his record as a county legislature and involvement in the local politics of Orange County New York fail to meet the WP: Politician guidelines.

I do not have the text body for the deleted Noel C. Spencer page saved and would like access to it. In working on the page I have found more information about his involvement through charities and sponsorship to further the recognition of Caribbean and Jamaican heritage.

I would like to have the text body to establish Noel Spencer's notability for his service to this community. I understand that the awards and certificates mentioned need to be cited properly and believe that they can stand as a body of evidence or a pattern of service to this specific community.

The case I'm making is that although Noel Spencer by WP:Notability standards is not inherently notable for being a county executive he is notable when taking his political record in coupled with his Jamaican/ Caribbean heritage within the region of Orange County New York.This does follow Wikipedia guidelines as per the example WP:POLOUTCOMES bullet number 7.

This information is well established in international Jamaican publications like the Gleaner (the oldest operating publication in the Caribbean) and various local ones. This does follow Wikipedia guidelines as per the example WP:POLOUTCOMES bullet number 7.

To put it short and sweet, would you make the text body of Noel C. Spencer available so I can better establish him as a notable person and give his article another shot.

Thank you, Newburgh12550 (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2016 (UTC)Newburgh12550

@Newburgh12550: as a first step, I have emailed you the text of the article. The problem listed just below has left me out of time tonight, but I will reply in more detail tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 22:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Usha Mukundan

Hi — can you please explain how in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Usha Mukundan you came to the conclusion that there was a consensus to keep the article, when in fact zero out of the three participants argued for keeping it? And also why you closed it only a day after the discussion started? Was this just a finger-slip, or did you actually mean to do this? —David Eppstein (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@David Eppstein: close reverted. I certainly did not intend it - I have no idea how that happened. I closed a string of AfDs this afternoon, but they were all from July 5 or 6. Thanks for pointing it out! I had better check my contributions in case there are other funnies. JohnCD (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

No problem — thanks for the cleanup. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@David Eppstein: I am the more grateful to you for pointing this out because on checking my contributions I found seven more premature closes - somehow, I had got onto the wrong daily log page and never noticed. That doesn't explain how I came to close Dr Mukunda as keep. JohnCD (talk) 19:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Related to this, the AfD closes you reverted still have their respective articles deleted. Shouldn't you recreate them until the discussion has played thru, or keep them deleted until further notice? JudgeRM 19:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@JudgeRM: I thought I had restored them all - have I missed one? JohnCD (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, when I wrote the message, you didn't seem to have restored any of them. You appear to have restored them all, except for this (the page in question, Matt maine, which you recreated, redirects to the redlinked page). JudgeRM 19:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed, thank you. What a mess! JohnCD (talk) 19:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INNOSS'B Page text recovery?

About a year ago you deleted the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INNOSS'B page. It looks like it had a lot of biographical information I'd love to read now, but I can't recover a copy either through google cache or archive.org. Any advice how I can get ahold of it? (And if you can undelete it - I have some notable sources for it.) 2601:45:4000:CE8C:8857:1171:C769:1E4E (talk) 05:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

That was deleted by "PROD-blp" - jargon for the automatic deletion of an article about a living person which has been unsourced for seven days. In those circumstances, it can be restored on demand, so I have undeleted it and reset the seven day clock. If you add a reliable source to confirm something in the article, you may remove the PROD-blp template at the top.

That may not be enough to prevent deletion. If you want to save the article, I recommend that you add more references. It is not clear to me that his career has advanced far enough to meet the WP:Notability requirement explained at WP:MUSICBIO. Also, the tone of the article needs work:

• it is too promotional (statements like "not only a good singer and performer, but also an excellent player of Djembe" need to be cut unless they can be cited to an independent source)
• it reads like a Facebook page, him telling the world about himself, e.g. that his "commitment is to use his melody to bring peace". An encyclopedia article should be written from outside, from a WP:Neutral point of view, and should concentrate on facts, not opinions.
• it has a lot about all the people he has shared the stage with, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED.

In its present state, it is very likely to be nominated for deletion. If you want to save it, I suggest that you register an account (which is easy and free), read WP:Your first article, collect all the references you can find, and cut the article down to those facts that are referenced.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:09, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:2015–16 Bengaluru FC season deletion

JohnCD, I have to apologize: when I requested that Talk:2015–16 Bengaluru FC season/GA1 be deleted, which you did (and thank you for doing so), I forgot that the GA1 page was transcluded onto the article's regular talk page and would transclude the deletion request as well, and didn't add the "noinclude" tags to prevent the G6 request from being transcluded along with it.

The regular talk page has been reconstituted by one of the regular editors, with the GA nominee template and two WikiProject templates, but I don't remember whether there was more to it than that prior to deletion. Can you please check the previous page, restore any material that hasn't been reconstituted, and also restore any history as well? The /GA1 page should remain deleted. Thank you very much, and again my apologies. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset:  Done - I have restored the deleted version of Talk:2015–16 Bengaluru FC season and merged the histories. The version of 07:41, 8 June 2016‎ is the one that was deleted; your version of 17:49, 15 July 2016 looks the same to me, but I haven't checked in detail. JohnCD (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

User YoshiFan155's undeletion requests

Hi JohnCD. I've read both your and Nthep's posts at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion in response to YoshiFan155 and have a general question about undeletion requests. YoshiFan155 has not only made requests there, but he has also requested that the same images be deleted on the user talk pages of various admins. One admin undeleted three files per his request (see User talk:B#File:FlyingSorecress2a.jpg File:FlyingSorceress3a.jpg, and File:TomandJerryTitleCard3.jpg for reference, but unfortunately the reasons why these files were deleted in the first place has not been addressed at all by YoshiFan155. The Flying Sorceress has a non-fee screenshot of the title card being used in the main infobox which is fine, but there's really no justification for the other three screenshots since the way these files are being used is purely decorative, and does not (in my opinion) satisfy the WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#3a, and are clearly contrary to the guideline WP:FILMNFI for using screenshots in articles such as this. However, I am not sure whether it would be appropriate to tag these files for speedy deletion using Template:di-disputed fair use rationale since the we the result of an undeletion request or if they should be discussed at WP:FFD instead. So, please advise.

In addition, since B has undeleted these three files, YoshiFan155 has now requested that he undelete six more at User talk:B#File:SmittenKitten4.jpg File:Jerrybrassiere.jpg File:Yankeedoodlemousescreen.jpg File:Fattymariosm64ds.jpg File:Mario64dscourtyardlwm.jpg and File:MGM Cartoon 1963 (Regular version). If these are undeleted as well, then there is a good chance that YoshiFan1955 will simply add them the articles as before with any attempt to address the NFCC concerns simply because he/she simply wants to see the deleted images badly. I think YoshiFan155 is acting in good fatih, but also that he/she does not seem to get that simply describing these screenshots and adding them to plot section is not really enought to satisfy the NFCC and is also something that FILMNFI says should not be done at all. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I've been away the last few days. While I'm still AGF at the moment, Yoshifan's lack of comprehension of the NFCC is disappointing me. As far as I'm concerned I will not undelete anything until Yoshi provides a full FUR for one of the images - one they can show that level of understanding I will be more sympahetic. I share your view that NFCC#3a and NFCC#8 are not going to be met but I would welcome an attempt. Nthep (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree. B's respose to Yoshifan's request for six more undeletions was to point him back REFUND: I have explained there why we have been reluctant to restore without more clarity about FUR and NFCC #8. Not sure whether to speedy-tag the three already restored or use FFD - I'll think about it. JohnCD (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I've already listed two at FFD and the other one for CSD#F6. I will leave a note for Yoshifan as s/he won't know otherwise. Nthep (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you JohnCD and Nthep for taking another look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Just for reference, an SPI has been started at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Marole3 by SummerPHD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:24, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

CryptoCarbon

Please let me know why did you delete the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harigovindvasudevannamboodiri (talk • contribs) 11:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@Harigovindvasudevannamboodiri: I have explained on your talk page: it fails both WP:Verifiability and WP:Notability. JohnCD (talk) 11:11, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

How to re-create a page

Good afternoon,

My name is Artur. We were in the discussion and editing of the Cambridge Corporate University page, that was deleted due the the promotional statements and referencing, that didn't cover all statements to be prooved. At that time I didn't have specialized documents, that could confirm all information published.

However, now I have most of materials and documents of registration, etc. to proove all information about the university itself. Please, could you give a clue how to start re-creation process of the page in order to do everything right.

This is the link to the deleted page, that was edited many times in October 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cambridge_Corporate_University&action=edit&redlink=1

Will be looking forward to hear you,

Sincerely, Artur Frolov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arturvfrolov (talk • contribs) 12:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) JohnCD will probably beat me to it and refund the page, but WP:REFUND has a lot of information on getting a deleted article restored to userspace -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 12:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@Arturvfrolov: I will not restore the last draft, as I see that it was deleted as a copyright violation, but you are welcome to start again at Draft:Cambridge Corporate University. Advice on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Kwak

How is it possible that deleting a page also removes the history? Is there any way to retrieve it? - Tolkienfanatic20 (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@Tolkienfanatic20: yes,deleting a page deletes the whole history, all the previous revisions; but they are still visible to administrators, and will normally be restored if the page is undeleted. Is there a particular page you are interested in? Kwak is a disambiguation page, and has never been deleted. JohnCD (talk) 14:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@JohnCD: Pieter Bas Kwak is the page I am looking for, and potentially other eSport pages that have been deleted - Tolkienfanatic20 (talk) 14:38, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I deleted that as a result of WP:Articles for deletion/Pieter Bas Kwak, so I will not restore it, but if you have questions about its history, I could maybe answer them. It was started in 2006 by TomD23 (talk · contribs), who has not edited since 2009. The editor who has done most work on it recently is Prisencolin (talk · contribs), who evidently decided it could not be saved, as he was the AfD nominator. JohnCD (talk)

If you want to find more deleted esports articles from 2012‎-present, you can go to search at http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/ or http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page--Prisencolin (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2016 (UTC)