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Yandex Maps

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Non-notable run-of-the-mill web mapping service that has been spamming Wikipedia with multiple articles on their service. Google search reveals plenty of primary coverage and very little independent coverage, certainly not enough to warrant a glut of articles.

Will be adding the rest of the articles to this nomination. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Yandex Data Factory.
Adding Yandex.Direct.
Adding Yandex Disk.
Adding Yandex.Translate.
Adding Yandex.Taxi.
Adding Yandex Search.
All of these articles are promotional in nature rather than neutral descriptions. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:32, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 05:00, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 05:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have added Yandex.Money. It is the most detailed of the sub-articles. There is still no reason why it is necessary to have so many articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: If you have not previously known about Yandex products, then this does not mean to delete thats articles. Eastern Europe enjoys these products. In Russia people use Yandex products more than Google products--Ffederal (talk) 13:00, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The notabilty of the website doesn't mean its product are notables. You got to prove the notability of each product with reference centered on each product. --Lacrymocéphale 13:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
400 books about Yandex.Maps/Яндекс.Карты, 300 000 news about Yandex.Maps/Яндекс.Карты. The same of other Yandex products, if you enter them into Google search--Ffederal (talk) 14:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

geohack also have link of Yandex Maps--Ffederal (talk) 14:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yandex Translator - built into the interface of Russian Wikipedia. Such a discussion of removal is a shame. It's like that in Russian Wikipedia will decide to remove articles about Google products--Ffederal (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Many-Many links in Google search about "yandex products"--Ffederal (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Redirect and merge Great, so doesn't that mean this namespace, Yandex Maps, should just redirect to Yandex? The question is as to whether Yandex Maps is notable, independently of Yandex. No one is proposing that the article on "Yandex" be deleted. Also, this article has some significant problems with its sources: they appear to be author-less press-release types of announcements (the third one is to an insecure website) from sites with unknown editorial oversight. Based on these alone, I don't see reason to retain this separate from the Yandex article. KDS4444 (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the press release in the article "Yandex Maps"? Sources normal. In the Russian Wikipedia issues do not arise about these sources. "sites with unknown editorial oversight"? - And this is an argument for deletion? So the translator at your service--Ffederal (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"The question is as to whether Yandex Maps is notable, independently of Yandex." - Of course, Yandex Maps are noticeable, as well as Google Maps are noticeable compared to Google. Yandex.Maps have own navigator, own street view, own tracking of congestion, as Google. Also, Yandex Maps have "street view" of Evrest, which has no other maps. And geohack also have link of Yandex Maps. Therefore, deleting this article and others is mistake, and this will lead to an scandal. Wikipedists from eastern Europe are outraged--Ffederal (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You are not getting what I mean by "independent of Yandex". I mean having coverage independent of Yandex. Having links from other notable sites does not confer notability. Please see WP:GNG and WP:NORG for more about what it means to be notable. Most of the coverage in the news appears to be with regard to Yandex Maps removing Sakhalin Island from its database. The other coverage appears to be about Yandex with the Map division mentioned only trivially. A don't foresee a scandal for consolidating this article into the Yandex one nor do I fear an uprising in the east (that sounds like hyperbolic blackmail). KDS4444 (talk) 21:01, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You will not delete articles about Google products for merging into one article. Oh, I'm tired of proving you. Take and delete everything, and the article "Yandex" too... "Because this is all spam unknown Yandex company"--Ffederal (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is worth to search news also in Russian language: "Yandex.Maps" for Android and iOS received a major update (vesti.ru) — Vort (talk) 05:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
KDS4444: Independent notability and independent coverage are different things. Example of independant coverage is the book from Maria Johnsen. Don't you think she is bought by Yandex? Example of independant notability is here: Яндекс для всех. All book (544 pages) is devoted solely to Yandex services, from which Yandex.Maps is described on 24 pages. That is more than enough for notability proof. — Vort (talk) 04:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The book you mentioned appears to have only ONE mention of Yandex Maps, not 24, and as all of it is in Russian, I am not able to evaluate it further— if a Russian speaker were willing to have a look at it and evaluate it, I'd be all for that. KDS4444 (talk) 10:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
KDS4444: Only at first two pages of Chapter 7 there are 3 mentions of "Yandex.Maps". Google translate can help to understand that all 24 pages in this book describes Yandex.Maps: [1]. Translation is not so good (sometimes "карты" are translated as "cards" instead of "maps" etc), but can give an idea what is written there. — Vort (talk) 15:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Vort, unless you personally read Russian and can add some of these to support claims made in the existing article, the rest of us have no way of knowing if these are anything more than trivial mentions. That the word "Yandex Maps" exists (in Russian) in these places does not make it notable— we need to know what these things say about Yandex Maps, and we still do not. (I still do not— do you?.) KDS4444 (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
KDS4444: Is Google translation at my last link so bad? — Vort (talk) 12:56, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge any article too short to be a DYK, after removal of unreferenced or non-RS-cited material, into Yandex. Yandex does indeed seem to be notable. I don't really care about the others if they are substantiated -- this is in essence KDS4444's vote but with some more criteria-based wiggle room. Yes, they are very promotional. But that can be addressed via regular editing. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added another source in the article. Сreated the section "Criticism". I have found such sources:

All of the maps there mentioned have their own articles on Wikipedia. And Yandex Maps there mentioned. And Yandex Maps should not have own article?--Ffederal (talk) 12:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge all the above articles into Yandex. They all need to be cut back a great deal to remove the promotion anyway, so you can do both at the same time. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:49, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or merge. Promotional/instructional in its present form. Deb (talk) 14:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge at present. If later there is enough material for separate articles, they can be reconsidered. We do try to cover all countries in the world at the same level. DGG ( talk ) 20:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: Robert McClenon Yandex.Money should be kept. We have article about the largest P2P payment systems in most countries. Alipay in China, Paytm in India, Interac e-Transfer in Canada, etc. I don't see how this is any different. Daylen (talk) 03:22, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The article "Yandex Maps" has over 10 interviki. Do not delete. It is necessary to correct the text a little, and everything is fine--178.95.206.187 (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Yandex Search, Maps, Direct, Translate, Taxi, and Disk. Those products are really popular in the post-Soviet area (plus some another countries). It doesn't mean that I like them (I'm using from time to time just the Disk and the Maps), but it's really important for millions of people. Well, I see that the articles are not in very good conditions, but it shall be an occasion for improving them, not for deleting.--Soul Train (talk) 01:32, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J947(c) (m) 01:04, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Assertions of notability and/ or popularity are not by themselves reasons to keep this article. The existence in over 10 interwikis does suggest notability, but does not demonstrate it (as each of these wikis has its own notability criteria, some of them with much lower standards than the English one). Also, !votes from IP addresses are routinely ignored.KDS4444 (talk) 10:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge seems like the most appropriate option given that the references fail the criteria for establishing the notability of each subsidiary of Yandex. -- HighKing++ 11:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Meets GNG. Allegations of "spamming" are not relevant at AfD. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J947(c) (m) 01:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yandex, the main competitor of the Google. Yandex makes all the innovations that have already created Google. So why not combine all the articles about the products of Google in one article?--Ffederal (talk) 11:21, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because this deletion discussion is not about Google, it is about Yandex Maps! Please stop bringing Google up! WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Insisting that any part of the various Google articles be modified if anything happens to this precious piece is not going to convince anyone to change their !vote. That's why not. KDS4444 (talk) 23:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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