User talk:Doniago

Hi

Just so you know, I was joking at the film MOS talk page a long time ago. However, I was serious about the policies, which I don't agree with at all. I don't understand why you and the other editors had to disagree with my suggestions. Why can't there be at least one exception to every policy on Wikipedia?

Also, don't trust or listen to Lugnuts. He was obviously lying about my age. I am 17 years old. DBZFan30 (talk) 19:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Re: September 2017

You're calling me disruptive? I'm merely trying to do what every serious-minded Wikipedian tries to do, namely contributing information which I think to be important or at least complementary.

If you could read German, I'd recommend you seek out the article edition history of the German version of Spider-Man: Homecoming and how user IgorCalzone1 started an unjustified edit war with me because he considered his writing style and plot summary superior to mine, just because (to quote him) he "had spent so many hours writing it up". If you could comprehend his choice of words and use of circuitous formulations in his initial plot summary, though, I'm sure that this would be an example you'd truly call "disruptive". DanielC46 (talk) 14:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I'd suggest you review WP:IPCV. When adding "in popular culture" information you need to provide a source that demonstrates not just the existence of the reference, but also that it's considered significant in some manner. You did neither. DonIago (talk) 14:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Still, a more civil tone (and the exclusion of threats) from the beginning would really go a long way to avoid resentments and unnecessary conflict. So please, next time point out inefficiencies on the writer's part a bit more gently. DanielC46 (talk) 14:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I would have used a more civil tone if I hadn't seen that you'd already been warned twice this month alone for engaging in similar behaviors. At that point it becomes difficult for me to believe that an editor isn't doing such intentionally (or at least neglectfully). My opinion is that you really need to be more careful to provide references when adding information to articles. I'm not sure why you're not doing so, but it's evidently becoming problematic. DonIago (talk) 14:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

As I said before, I did my contributions out of a sense of goodwill. And in the example you pointed out (the Japanese voice actors from Restaurant to Another World), others have also made contributions to the same topic without providing or citing reliable sources. Did THEY get rebuked or their entries reverted, like mine were? The answer is: No, they were NOT. So why does everybody decide to pick on me exclusively? DanielC46 (talk) 15:01, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

If you're going to bring up a "why me" argument, you may want to check the history on that article, as I removed a number of unsourced entries shortly after leaving a note at your Talk page. I don't doubt your intentions, but you have been asked before to provide sourcing. When you're asked to change your behavior and you fail to do so, you're being disruptive even if your intentions are good. DonIago (talk) 15:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Then instead of just criticizing people for providing unsourced information, a critic should provide such a sourced information himself to prove his point. And as for your argument "When you're asked to change your behavior and you fail to do so, you're being disruptive even if your intentions are good" - even if looking feverently, it's often hard to come by any reliable information even in the Internet era, especialy when you can't really tell the difference, as was the case with me. If people get criticized for that, but no constructive input is provided in turn, what's the point of maintaining this site then, anyway? Especially since a good portion of informations on this site is not (if ever) reliably sourced anyway, even if the article itself is sanctioned as a whole. DanielC46 (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

You've been editing here for over five years; are you telling me that you're unfamiliar with what qualifies as a reliable source? Or that if you can't provide one, then per WP:V you have to expect that other editors may remove your material? If you want information added to an article, it's on you to ensure that it meets the inclusion criteria. If you want to add information but can't find a source, ask for help at the article's Talk page, but don't try shifting the burden to other editors. If you can't source it, don't add it to the article. DonIago (talk) 16:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Where to draw the line?

Hi Doniago. Re this, I started to make the same revert but realized, after some quick checking, that there doesn't seem to be much in the way of consensus on- or off-wiki about how old something must be to be historical. The film in question is set roughly 40 years before its release date. I'm just curious about your rationale. Where would you draw the line? Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 19:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Ha, good question. I looked up Historical romance, and didn't see anything there suggesting that 40 years ago was old enough to meet the criteria. DonIago (talk) 19:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hello to you both. Don't forget that per WP:CATDEF there has to be sourced info in the article to support the category before it can be added. If you can find a secondary source stating that the film is a(n) historical romance then the time lag doesn't matter. I'll tell one thing about how weird life can be - when something that was an active part of my life like the The Denver Dry Goods Company for over thirty years shows up in a book as though it was long ago history I knew I had reached an age where I couldn't pretend I was young anymore :-) One other item - I saw an Ang Lee interview where he (jokingly) mentioned that he couldn't understand why everyone was calling BM a gay cowboy film when it was obviously a gay sheepherder film - heehee. Best regards and enjoy your week. MarnetteD|Talk 20:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Am I being chided for actually doing some research before doing a revert rather than doing it just for policy-based reasons? Oh happy day! :p DonIago (talk) 20:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh I wasn't complaining D and I apologize if it came off as that. I mostly wanted to mention those two humorous (or lame depending on one's POV) items. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:02, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

You're fine! :) DonIago (talk) 03:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Yikes - for want of an "n't" I almost made this worse :-( Thanks for the reply D :-) MarnetteD|Talk 03:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

(laughs) I figured that was a typo. AGF and all, ha. DonIago (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Wonka quotes

Hi there,

Thanks for your feedback on my additions to the Willy wonka and the Chocolate Factory page. I'm not sure if this is the best way to contact you, forgive me if I'm doing it wrong.

I haven't included any original research, I can see how it might appear that way, but I'd like to draw your attention to the first paragraph I added. I reference a book written by the director, Mel Stuart, where he describes how the screenwriters wrote Willy Wonka's dialogue with a lot of quotes in it. I haven't assumed this, it has been written about in 2 sources. The sources say that he mainly quoted Shakespeare but 'his tastes were wide ranging'. All I've done is list all these quotes and what he is quoting.

I have been through this process already as I tried to make this a separate page. I've had 2 other wikipedia moderators tell me that the content was fine, it just didn't warrant its own page. So I am hoping to include it here.

Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WonkaNerd (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your message.

Firstly, please be sure to sign your posts in the future, which you can do by adding four tildes (~) to the end of them.

The citations you provided only establish that quotes used in the movie have also been used in popular culture. You need to provide sources that specifically point back to the film itself. Otherwise you are engaging in synthesis by making claims that are not explicitly supported by the sources. Put another way, all you're doing is pointing out things that could be no more than coincidences, or otherwise were unintentional.

I would recommend focusing on quotes that the book you mention specifically notes. If it doesn't note specific quotes, then a one-line sentence to the effect that the screenwriters intentionally referenced in popular culture quotes should suffice.

I would encourage you to review WP:DISCRIMINATE as well, and consider whether noting every single quote the movie uses which may be a pop culture reference really merits discussion in the article. DonIago (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

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