User talk:GearedBull/Subpage

Welcome to Wikipedia!

I saw that your main contributions have been to Vermont related pages (many thanks for them). I'd like to draw your attention to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Vermont if you haven't seen it already. Project Vermont is a project to create and improve Wikipedia articles about the U.S. state of Vermont. It intends to organize, format, expand, and exemplify Vermont related articles on Wikipedia. Take a look at the project page for more information. Best regards, and welcome! - Mickmaguire 20:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Vermont project and the colored state seal

Hi Jim, Thanks for the note on the seal. It seems to have come from an official page (if you look at its source in commons), are you 100% sure there is no official colored version? I'm inclined to keep it as the seal does exist and the coat of arms is something different. I dont think that we should use the coat of arms on the infoboxes as we already have the state flag on the left, it would look like a duplication / possible screw up. Additionaly many of the other state projects incorporate the state's seal in exactly the same place so there is some consistency (a rarity in wikipedia ;0)).

My suggestion is to keep things how they are but perhaps we should consider making the image grey-scale, assuming its a correct rendition of the actual seal in all but color (is it?). Hmmm raised more questions that anything else there! Let me know what you think :O) Mickmaguire 16:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I found a black and white copy and replaced it. Unfortunately as the original image is in wikipedia commons I was not able to replace it directly but had to create a new image and change the things that linked to the original to the new. Mickmaguire 15:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Large cones

Hi Jim - thanks for the e-mail! There are several species with cones that can be that large; it could be Sugar Pine (Calif/Oregon), Mexican White Pine (Mexico), Coulter Pine (Calif), and (rarely; usually shorter) Western White Pine (western N America) and Blue Pine (Himalaya). Do you know where they came from? - MPF 16:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Vermont, and "Organized territory"

Hi Jim-

I'm quite aware that Vermont was for a time an independent country. I think you misunderstand the point of the list that you removed Vermont from. The list is not a list of "unorganized territories" that became states; it's a list of states that were "never organized territories," as the article says. The phrase "organized territory" has a technical meaning in this context: a piece of territory under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress, but not part of any state, and given an organized government through an Organic Act. See the Organized territory article for more details. Most states of the union were organized territories before they were states. Vermont, like Texas, was never an organized territory in that sense; it went right from being an independent republic (albeit one whose independence was not recognized by the US) to being a state. If you look at the other states on the list, you'll see that Texas, another independent country that became a state just like Vermont, is also on it. --Jfruh (talk) 22:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

VT education

Nice work on the education add!--Jonashart 00:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Vermont culture

Would like your views here. Category talk:Vermont culture GameKeeper 06:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox at Bodoni

Hi, I noticed you removed the infobox of Bodoni. Was there a reason for doing so or did it get removed by accident? atanamir 00:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the prompt reply. It seems from [1] that diff that you replaced the infobox with the new specimen (which, by the way, seems to be a broken image! i tried to action=purge it but it still seems to be broken... i'm going to try it out on a different computer tomorrow). Did you purposely remove the infobox and replace it with the specimen? I can't really tell from your response if you purposely removed it or not "I restored its removal by James Arboghast earlier today". Either way, I was just curious. I'll look at the broken image issue again tomorrow! Best regards, atanamir 10:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Misunderstanding da Bodoni

Hi Jim. :-) Thanks for the explanation. Everything is just fine. Here and there, the close timing of two editors can make one editor's actions seem harsher or more reactionary than they really are. I happen to be looking at the articles for Bodoni, Caslon and Baskerville at present, as I'm about to expand the section on 17th & 18th centuries for the History of typography. Sorry Nicole; most of my edits are bold and in good faith. I considered yours to be in good faith too. I'm happy to build up the Bodoni article with you.

My apologies for my vague edit summary regarding the image being "deleted"—that was my error.

I hope we can get your samples working soon. Looking forward to seeing them.

Best regards, j a m e s t a l k 15:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jim. I've looked at the Bodoni page on both Macs and PCs at work and at home and the image is not showing up. Is it working at your end?

Bulmer is a lovely organic de-geometrified Bodoni. Airy and elegant, with a woody antique ambience and a hand-engraved feel to it. I've used it on a few covers for novels and histories set in the 19th century. Its great too for covers of biographies of literary figures, old film stars, anyone from the pre-WW2 era. Walbaum is a classic. There's a blurb by Frantisek Storm that accompanies his version, might be of interest.

The Greeks of 5th century BC were purists in their use of the orders, reserving the Corinthian for inner rooms like the naos and opisthodomos of temples, and never using it for outer peripteral columns. The Corinthian's decorative saliency represented decadence and excess—the antithesis of the Greek ideal of Sophrosyne—moderation. They were not naturally modest people and strove to express their ideal in art. All the major Greek temples used Doric columns on the outside—the purest order. Ionian was used sparingly for peripteral and facade columns for the small tetrastyle temple of Athena Nike and the Erectheum, and a few other isolated small altars in sanctuary grounds.

The Romans loved the florid exuberance of Corinthian and used it almost everywhere, especially on the outer columns of narrow elegantly-proportioned temples on high podiums, expressing their desire for grandeur, pomp, power and glory. Rome's temples and public buildings were also monuments to the patrician class that built them. The Corinthian order on Roman buildings has also been taken as a symbol of the decandence, the corruption and excess of the empire, the corrupt army resulting from Sulla's reform, the political bloodletting arising from dictatorship and autocracy.

By way of conjecture—I haven't read much about Jefferson or his architecture, or American neo-classicism—but I wonder. The possibilty is there, that he opted for Ionic captials in favour of Corinthian to draw alongside Greek democracy and avoid parallels with the Roman empire.

j a m e s t a l k 12:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Vermont culture / Category:Culture of Vermont

Every other state uses category of style Category:Vermont culture not Category:Culture of Vermont. Can you leave the articles in Category:Vermont culture. See Category:American_culture_by_state to see other states use standard <Statename> culture

Also would like your views here again. Category talk:Vermont culture GameKeeper 11:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

added comment Category talk:Vermont culture GameKeeper 12:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Rhubarb pie

Hi, thanks for the sources -- but could you give at least 1 page reference from one of them, then I will put in a footnote reference.

Manhattans

Thanks for the kind words. I'll look for the cherries at Trader Joes the next time I'm there. I actually have a big bottle of Makers Mark, dunno where it came from, and made a Manhattan with it a couple of months ago. It was very good, but I think I prefer Crown Royal. But taste, of course, is so individual.... Hayford Peirce 03:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Concerning signators of the petition for a statewide referendum on same-sex marriage

It is rare, near to never, that the majority of citizens have been allowed to vote on the rights of a majority in the United States. Support for the current referendum under consideration in Massachusetts, that would allow the majority to vote on the civil liberties of the states homosexual minority is pertinent to articles related to institutions or individuals supporting this. While the motto Let the people vote! sounds reasonable enough, it is interesting to consider what sort of nation the U.S. would currently be had the people voted in referenda on woman's suffrage, integration of the armed forces, interracial marriage, public accomodations, etc. To refuse to separate civil marriage from religous mariage is to ask for state endorsement of a particular religous belief. Selective interpretation of Scripture is at work here most often, affirming Leviticus or I Corinthians 6:9 but conveniently ignoring the bible's support in places for female rape, human slavery, or nonsensical casting into the fires of hell those who eat shell fish, wear a cloak made up of two kinds of fiber, or plant their fields with multiple kinds of seeds. If you signed the petition and you or an institution you administer have an article here on wikipedia, a citation with a link is pertinent. CApitol3 13:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hugenberger

Please see User_talk:Flex#Editing_Dr._Hugenberger_article. --Flex 14:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Bembo type specimen

The image in question, Image:BemboSpecimen100306.svg, was uploaded by Zlotnikova (talk · contribs) on October 3rd, with no copyright information. It was immediately marked as {{untagged}} and a notice was added to the user's talk page. The user was notified in two locations about the missing copyright information, but s/he failed to provide it. The image remained in that state for more than seven days at which point it became eligible for speedy deletion.

If you can persuade this user to provide the appropriate copyright tag, I will gladly restore the image for you. --TheParanoidOne 22:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your timely response. Did she receive notice of the impending deletion?CApitol3 22

14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Not pre-deletion. There are many hundreds of images that qualify for deletion in this manner. Informing the uploaders would be impractical. Having said that though, the text of the {{untagged}} template which was applied to the image, states: Failure to tag an image may lead to its deletion. --TheParanoidOne 04:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

External links

Hi. According to Wikipedia:External links, the external link that was added to Rick Santorum should not be there; I don't think it adds significantly to the article, a general rule of thumb for the addition of external links. In addition, the primary content of the site is an interview with a non-notable columnist pertaining to the election and the candidates; this does not qualify the site for addition. We need to be aggressive in removing non-pertinent links from articles, and I don't feel that this one qualifies as a proper external links. Thanks for your understanding! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I would also appreciate it if you could assume good faith here; I don't appreciate you calling my reverting the addition of the external link as "POV oriented deletion", as this cannot be further to the truth. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, judgement on all external links and most policies is ultimately subjective, but what let me clarify what I had meant: the columnist is not significant on the national or state level, and I haven't seen anything that would distinguish his interview being included rather than the multitudes of other interviews, opinion pages, and editorials that exist. I had, however, not reverted the addition of the link with any thought of POV; instead, I remain committed to removing external links when they are not appropriate, and I believed this one to be one. I will be happy to continue the discussion on the talk page of the article. Thanks again! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Flcelloguy asked me to drop by and take a look at the issue. I'd have removed the link myself. We don't link to blogs, in general; were this an article about Dan Savage, the link might be appropriate, but a link to a blog to demonstrate a third party's already well-known opinion of the subject of the article is a pretty far reach. PS: I loathe every aspect of Rick Santorum's politics and most aspects of his personality, and have been working hard to keep this article NPOV and a good Wikipedia article (which generally involves removing crude anti-Santorum sentiments), so don't even bother accusing me of bias. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 00:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

- Hi again. Sorry for the long time in replying; I've been busy. I would love to continue our discussion on the talk page until we reach a consensus, and I look forward to working with you to reach an agreement. I think the issue we last discussed was whether or not the site is a blog, which the site itself clearly states it is. As I've said before, blogs should not be placed under external links generally, according to external links policy. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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Excellent Bodoni sample

Jim, the new specimen looks great! Just the kind of contemporary artistic quality WP needs. A couple of points:

the blue glossed letters (bluebrication? ;-) work seemlessly for "HORATII", but the lower case a, g, k, p, s, x stand out. Advise either making the lower case all-black, or make just a and 0 (zero) blue. This approach is akin to the art of type design itself. Ideally no single glyph should stand out (integration).

I like the background colors and the duotone effect—nice, classy, refined. I've been more conservative with background colors in my type samples to fit in with the conservatism of other editors working on type articles, but I think it's time now to loosen up. The more artful font samples you and I make the more influential the precedent will be, until one day all WP font samples be beautiful.

"Curious too, to pick up the thread of our last conversation."

The symbolism of Jefferson's Virginia capitol building columns versus Greek columns versus Roman colums?
Best, Arbo talk 18:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks James. My use of color was intended to focus attention on characters that seem to exhibit something distinctive about Bodoni (to me). I agree its important to be judicious here. The sheer small scale of the specimen might recommend avoiding visual noise and keeping the alphabet monochromatic. Please take a look. I could go without color entirely, but thought a little was attractive. I once saw use of a Prussian Blue in a Bodoni book and that is where the color idea comes from. Best, Jim CApitol3 22:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. the posted sample is very nice. Thanks. Do not know that face. Is it Goudy? Or much more recent? CApitol3 22:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Your revised Bodoni sample couldn't be more satisfying. Iz bella bella magnifico. Consider it final. Personal views of subject matter count as a form of original research and breach of NPOV, so yes, we have to be careful to avoid it. That's why I based the Vita Nuova Bodoni sample on official material issued by Bodoni's heirs.

Re: updating samples. It's best to update the existing image by overwriting it with the new version to minimize the number of superfluous image files on the servers. On the existing image's page hit "Upload a new version of this file", and when prompted hit the "overwrite" button.

BTW, I had to rewrite Roman type because it was full of factual errors. So I added your Bembo sample. Keep 'em coming.

Iowan Old Style is by the much-respected contemporary sign painter John Downer. It looks kind of Goudy-ish going by the italics and capitals. The conception and finish are much neater than the abberations Goudy put into his fonts to make them personal works of art with intentional faults, yet Downer's production is every bit as meticulous and artistic. Complete family shown here.

Arbo talk 01:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Overwriting images

There's a tutorial here Wikipedia:Uploading images but the distinction between uploading a new image v.s overwriting an existing image is vague Let's say you want to update the color Bembo sample.

On the image's page [[Image:BemboTypeSpec.svg]], under File history, click the link Upload a new version of this file
This takes you to the Special:Upload page: the server automatically fills in Destination filename with "BemboTypeSpec.svg"
For Source fileneme hit the Browse button and select the new file on your computer
Leave the Summary and Licensing fields blank as they will inherent their details from the existing image file page [[Image:BemboTypeSpec.svg]].
Hit the Upload file button
When the image has uploaded you'll see the Upload warning page; hit the Save file button. On the previous screen Special:Upload checking Ignore any warnings will skip the Upload warning page
That's it. The overwrite process replaces the old file with the new version, so there's no need to delete the old one as the new one is uploading.

Arbo talk 08:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Akzidenz Grotesk specimens

Why have you replaced your beautiful SVG specimen with a blurry JPEG? The new version makes it much harder to see the letterforms. JPEG really isn't a great format for designs that are based on sharp edges and flat colours. — Haeleth Talk 15:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Much better - thanks. These specimens are great work: it's nice to see some real thought going into design and aesthetics. — Haeleth Talk 16:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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Image:FrutigerSpec.svg

I just wanted to tell you that I updated your image Image:FrutigerSpec.svg. You accidently left the character set as Univers after you made the other one for Image:UniversAIB.svg (I suppose). I changed the text to Frutiger so it matches up now.

By the way I realy liked your design for these two specs, it's realy nice and clean. Great job.

-Alex 06:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S.-- I just used your wonderful design for Gotham (typeface). I hope that you won't mind!

Benton Sans

Oh that is one of my favorites also. Martha Stewart Living has had such beautiful typography over the years (Have you seen their custom font Archer? I would do anything to get a copy of it!). And I believe they used Perpetua and Joanna for of their early work. Alex 16:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)