User talk:Sitush

Jag är Ikea. This user stands with Sweden. Je suis Ikea.

... or panic madly and freak out?

Have you come here to rant at me? It is water off a duck's back.

Call for opinion

If a book comprises 114 pages + an index, should we expect people to cite the specific page(s) that they are relying upon when citing it or is it ok just to cite the entire book? I would appreciate thoughts from the watchers here. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Need the page or chapter at the very least. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't see that it is essential. You are referring to railway history books, which are almost always sequential. If someone really wants to verify the text material [how often is that done in the real world?] they only need to go through the date order. Even in the 114 page book you are referring to the substantive history (as opposed to peripheral padding) is often only 30 pages or so.

An example of this page-citation being taken to ridiculous lengths is at Great North of Scotland Railway where there are 222 citations, most of them from Vallance's book (218 pages). Afterbrunel (talk) 07:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I couldn't care less what you think in this situation. It is a long-established practice and, as I said some days ago on your talk page, you are free to attempt to achieve a change in consensus but until you achieve that you should abide by the existing consensus. - Sitush (talk) 07:50, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Look, I deliberately kept your name out of my opening remarks in this section because I didn't want to bring unnecessary attention to bear on you. You've now posted here, on one of the more watched user talk pages on this project, and have effectively put the spotlight on yourself. It is unlikely to benefit you, just as a trip to WP:ANI would be unlikely to benefit you. - Sitush (talk) 07:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Of course page numbers are essential. Why should railway books be different to any other sort of reference book? J3Mrs (talk) 08:48, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

• Can't see any valid reason not to include page numbers, unless the copy you're working from is unpaginated or you're indulging in a bit of synthesis. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:36, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

railway history books, which are almost always sequential and at Great North of Scotland Railway where there are 222 citations, most of them from Vallance's book - great example. Vallance's book on the Great North of Scotland Railway isn't sequential; he groups into chapters events that occurred in the same geographical area although not necessarily in the same timeframe. For example, chapter 9 concludes with events that occurred in 1897; and chapter 10 commences in 1883. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:53, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, anything over about 10 pages should have page numbers cited. Duh. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:07, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Warning

We have been exchanging words in another place. I hoped that we could agree to differ.

You have now deleted material I have written and reduced the article (Wells and Fakenham Railway) to almost no useful information. Writing my material had taken some considerable time and included visiting a University reference library some distance from my home for research.

I understand your preference that page numbers would be quoted in citations, and I have explained why in some situations I think that is unhelpful and off-putting to inexperienced users.

Your disagreement with my point of view is your privilege, but deleting my material, calling it "crap", and incorrectly claiming that it is impossible to verify, is improper behaviour.

I still hope that we can amicably agree to differ; my objective, and I presume yours, is to improve the quality of Wikipedia as perceived by users, ("customers" if you like).

I ask you now to desist from harming my edits. Afterbrunel (talk) 05:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

If you provide page numbers there is unlikely to be a problem. See section immediately above, see Andy Dingley's response to you on his talk page, see the comments of Redrose64 and others on your talk page, and see WP:CONSENSUS. There is no way you can cite entire books etc and, while I appreciate the effort you make and your prose style, it is really not negotiable. You will note that I did not delete your stuff at Golden Valley Railway, nor indeed any other past efforts, because although you say you are not prepared to help fix it, it is now part of our history; I deleted your most recent effort at Wells and Fakenham Railway because that was a new addition of a large chunk of material made after I had explained the issues to you. Painful as it may be, this is a collaborative project: you are expected to collaborate and to abide by its norms. - Sitush (talk) 07:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Edits on 'Sant Singh Maskeen.' Comment

Hey there. I am not sure what does 'hosted copyright violation' mean. I cited a biography book to the content I added, which is written by a third party. I thought it's alright to cite it. The content I added was taken from a physical copy of the book, and that's why I cited it on a random place. Though, I was looking forward to adding the citation in places that looked critical enough. Moreover, I couldn't find the concerned topic on WP:RS. Thanks. Haritdeep Singh (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

It is ok to cite a book that is not online but not ok to link to an unauthorised copy that is online, eg: a lot of the scans at the APNA website, most of what is at scribd.com and much of what exists on personal googlesites. Just because other people are prepared to ignore copyright does not mean that Wikipedia is prepared to do so. This is also why there are often issues surrounding links to uploads on YouTube, quite a lot of which have been problematic over the years. - Sitush (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Whoa, I never thought of it this way. Though, I looked for the copyright before citing the online copy of the book which says, it is under CC license, making me consider it a legit source. Is there a way to figure out cases like this one? How could I know if an online copy is authorised? Plus, if the issue is resolved now, may I start editing the article again? - Haritdeep Singh (talk) 13:48, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

You can always edit the article. It is not protected and you are not subject to any sort of topic ban. There are various forms of CC-BY license, so that can get complicated. I will take another look at it later - Sitush (talk) 14:20, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

That'd be great. Thanks. - Haritdeep Singh (talk) 04:47, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

About Lokendra Singh Kalvi Page

The Wiki Page of Lokendra Singh Kalvi encompass three major sections i.e. About him, His Political life and the controversies. In the About section, the details of his life was given. In terms of Political life, all his political life was mentioned except one line about the emergence of Karni Sena. The third section is about the controversies that have been faced by him. Its obvious that such a big personality will undoubtedly have some controversies. So, I request you to make this page live and consider the recommendation. There are many more updates like DOB, Education, Personal life that needs to be added later. But for now, this is the only information available. So, I request to activate the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.207.175.247 (talk) 13:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

If what was there is the only information available then my redirect is appropriate. The sources were really talking about the organisation, not the person, and there was much in there that was either unsourced or which misrepresented the source. People are not inherently notable just because they lead an organisation that might itself be notable. - Sitush (talk) 13:41, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I have just reverted you again. You were bold in creating that article, I redirected it and left a note at its talk page. I really don't think there is sufficient in the article to justify it standing alone. Perhaps work on it in a sandbox or draft space? - Sitush (talk) 14:20, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Suraiya

Way too many edit conflicts and I will leave the task to your able hands:) Anyways, are you aware of any way, to remove a particular reference from every particular place of it's being cited in the article, with a single click? That ought to be helpful, in certain cases.......~ Winged Blades^Godric 14:46, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Nah, you take it on. It is better if it doesn't all come from me because that way the inevitable complaints can be spread around. I just search for the source in the edit window and delete every occurrence (although I haven't done for this particular article). - Sitush (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

That's a good workaround! Thanks:) ~ Winged Blades^Godric 11:06, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Kumawat

Please sir don't edit history of kumawats again and again you Dont have any knowledge what this community is about so please do not hurt the feelings of community Rajputhotehaihum (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Ha!

TOI is usually reliable as a media-unit but what the heck is this piece? Unadulterated PR?!~ Winged Blades^Godric 11:06, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

ToI is nothing like it used to be. There have been discussions about it at WT:INB. - Sitush (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi Sitush, you removed a couple of cricketers (Umesh Yadav, and Prashant Vaidya) from List of people from Nagpur, ive reinstated them with refs. hope this is okay.

Coolabahapple (talk) 11:57, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Coolabahapple: well, at least they're sourced. I have never been convinced that those sources are reliable, though. - Sitush (talk) 12:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Sir Why You Blocked Me

If Editting Was Wrong Then defenitly you Will Blocked But Give Me 1 reason Someone Changed This Article Then I Will Correct Its My Problem Or Someone Abusing Me Or Threating violence And Warn Me Dont Post True Article Or Do Not Change Sir is this my Fault Tell Me . I will Give You All Proof of this Article The town of Khaga is said to have been established by a brave ruler belonging to the martial Suryavanshi clan, named Maharaja Khadagsen (also referred to as Khadag Singh). Maharaja Khadagsen Was The Son Of Maharaja Dalpatsen . Maharaja Dalpatsen Belongs to Raja Kanaksen Family And Raja Kanaksen Was a Bloodline Of Raja Kush . And Raja Kush Was The Son Of Lord Rama . The Suryavanshi who ruled doaba region post Gupta period, came to control large parts of Fatehpur district (including Ayah and Khaga) and parts of Allahabad region under Khadagsen's rule. It is also said that Ark Nagvanshi kshatriya (also referred to as ' Ark the synonym of Surya ' ) rulers conducted Dashashwamegha yajnas (Horse sacrifices) in the doab region (area between Ganges and Yamuna) to prove their supremacy. Their power decayed with the rise of competing powers in the form of other Rajputs and Muslims. Fort Was was situated near Kukri kukra lake but is now in ruins, however many people say that there was a fort there. Many stories about Maharaja Khadagsen were destroyed during the British Raj, or by singrour Dariyao Singh. That's the reason the history was lost.

I did not speak very much english thats why i did not understand any of your warning — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeep Suryavanshi (talk • contribs) 08:50, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Crawford family of the White Mountains

On 15 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Crawford family of the White Mountains, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Crawford family were pioneers of tourism in the White Mountains of New Hampshire and have numerous places named after them there? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Crawford family of the White Mountains. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Crawford family of the White Mountains), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Geo/date commas

Hi there. Thanks for asking. I'm not in the mood for a revert war this morning, but take a look at what the Manual of Style has to say.

• In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element unless followed by other punctuation. Dates in month–day–year format require a comma after the day, as well as after the year, unless followed by other punctuation. In both cases, the last element is treated as parenthetical.

Correct: He set October 1, 2011, as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma, to meet his demands.

Incorrect: He set October 1, 2011 as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma to meet his demands.

Regards, Moscow Mule (talk) 12:32, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. That explains one of them, using US style. What about the others? Are they also US grammar issues? - Sitush (talk) 20:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

The "mmmm dd, yyyy," date format? (Horrible format that it is.) Yes, that's covered. So is the closing comma in a city/state pair: the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma, to meet his demands -- "In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element". The comma article also gives the example "The plane landed in Kampala, Uganda, that evening." Moscow Mule (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, I decided to AGF and self-revert even though it looks wrong to me, then FloridaArmy reverted me for basically the same reasons as I originally reverted you. I now notice that you have had a couple of comments on your own talk page about your use of commas, including for one article that was FA status. I think perhaps you are in a minority here and possibly even misinterpreting MOS. In any event, regardless of what MOS might say, your changes appear to make the article more difficult to read. - Sitush (talk) 11:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I remember the FA case you speak of: more than a bit of WP:OWNERSHIP involved there, I recall. Still, the wiki has its ways, and it appears to have autocorrected over the ensuring months: I can't see any missing commas on that article as it currently stands. And meanwhile, someone else has come along and reverted FloridaArmy. Anyway, thanks for discussing this in a civil fashion and for the AGF. And I love the box at the top of your talk page, btw. Moscow Mule (talk) 14:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Sir Can You describe How I am Disguised

Sir I beg you please try to understand some one missguiding you about my behavior i am belong to the khaga maharaja khdagsen blood line if someone change my article then definetly i will try to to correct or history so sir please is it wrong sir Some one abusing and said that dont correct this article if you correct this article i will complain you if you have any confusion about khaga history article i will give you proof sir gazeteer or other books or papper article or other proof sir please try to understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeep Suryavanshi (talk • contribs) 16:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Tiruchirappalli

Hi Sitush. I see a lot of content added from a fansite point of view and unfortunately this article is an FA. I think it's time to delist this? Your thoughts? — LeoFrank  ^Talk 18:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't have many dealings with Indian city/town/district articles. Can it not be cleaned up? Are the people still around who took it to FA? - Sitush (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Satya Nadella photo

Hi, Sitush. Would you be able to make an edit to the article Satya Nadella? He recently released a number of images on https://news.microsoft.com/exec/satya-nadella/ under Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike, and I've uploaded them to Wikimedia Commons. He says he'd prefer this one for the article photo. I'm hoping it would be a non-controversial replacement, but technically shouldn't do it myself, since I do work for the company. Would you be able to? --GRuban (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

While he may prefer it, and it is a BLP, I think you need to seek consensus for changing the image. We don't always do things just because the article subject prefers it. You can be involved in a discussion on the article talk page without getting on the wrong side of WP:COI.

I have no particular opinion about it other than that the new image is a decent photo and is up to date, so I doubt there would be any issues. - Sitush (talk) 16:14, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks, will do. --GRuban (talk) 17:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Sowler

Thanks for your comemnt about the Sowler category. I have no particular inside knowledge about the person, and I have to say that your guess is as good as mine on most of the questuins that you asked, It just seemed to me to me that his principal distinction was in business, not politics, from the narrative. It's really not a big issue; by all means revert it if you feel inclined. Rcb1 (talk) 16:31, 18 April 2018 (UTC)rcb1

@Rcb1: I think the issue is much broader than just the Thomas Sowler article. Unless you have a citation that says the award was actually given for business, it should not be categorised as such. In modern times, the London Gazette often does say someone was knighted for services to business, or to politics, or to charity etc but that is a fairly recent development.

It's a pretty useless category anyway - we've got enough problems with poor categorisation without introducing new ones, and a part of the reason we have those problems is precisely because the category geeks do not actually understand the subject that they are categorising. They seem to skim articles, take things a face value and then come back a few weeks later and fiddle around yet again. It's an easy way to boost edit count but it does no-one any favours. I've no idea if you spend a lot of time categorising but it is a pattern that I've seen of others and in this particular instance I think you have fallen into a similar trap.

I've no idea why you replied to my post on your talk page here but, since you have, I am responding here. That's pretty odd behaviour, too, in my experience but so be it. - Sitush (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Pasi CasteRemoval of word Tradition and Pig Rearing to Animal Husbandry

Hi Sitush, I hope i am requesting the edit at the right place. I am new to Wikipedia and i am sorry in advance if i am writing at wrong place. I have objection with the words

Template:Tradition and Pig Rearing in the article Pasi (Caste) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasi_(caste)

I believe these two words as a hoax created about my community and the sources provided do not clearly state these thing. I have already requested edit on the Pasi Talk page but it seems nobody is looking at it and that is the reason why i have come to you just to get some help and at least for a reply. The primary reason i want to change these words is because i also come from this community and the article is saying that we had pig rearing as a tradition. I believe for being a tradition it is needed to be followed the majority of people. Just because Chandra Bhan Prasad's book says that 5 out of 20 pasis of his village reared pigs that doesn't mean our entire community is following this as a tradition.

Itself chandra bhan's Statement contradict to it that if 5 people out 25 were doing this activity that simply means majority of people were not doing this even in his village at that point of time which he mentioned decades ago. This clearly states that even decades ago majority of people even in his village were not following it, then how can he say it a tradition?. May be those circumstances were created because of the heavy taxation imposed by the British Government and the famine that occurred in India. But, its not our primary tradition we were peasants, the farmers of India, in most parts and were involved in various agricultural farming related activities. Like other peasants we also performed animal husbandry we had cattle to plough the field to sow seeds, other animals for milking etc then why just the pigs rearing word was used there ? And, if we were not peasants then why we joined peasant movement of India. Also, the Sarah Beth book which the writer has provided citation doesn't describe much about our community he just said caste of pig rearers how can someone just blame entire community without any census ?

I have come here with lots of hope that you will help me in changing those two words as they are not true and defaming our entire community worldwide after it has been posted to Wikipedia. People are copying and pasting this article and spreading this wrong information. I just want to stop it before it gets too late. Later or sooner my community will gather to change this misinformation but i wan't it to be edited before it spreads all over the internet.

In India, you can understand it can become a big problem for our community which is already growing slowly. Since, we do not yet have much writers to describe our caste properly, in better words our community is still backward in terms of education. Without proper information if people post such thing then it will become a great problem for us. In India even small things get viral without thinking it scientifically like the latest incidents people are not taking small one rupees coins and 10 rupees coins that have 15 lines on it. Even when RBI has clarified it multiple times. I simply want to say if this information which is not true gets spread then our lives will become hell in this country. I tried to find sources and read multiple articles. First there are not much information available about our caste and the information that is available mostly say we were peasants who were involved in various agricultural activities. Please review my edit request and remove the word 'tradition' and replace 'pig rearing' to animal husbandry. Thanks.