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Given the engineer's statement, can we state the cause as "Excessive speed on curve due to loss of situational awareness"? Mjroots (talk) 06:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's best to leave out any determination of cause until an official statement is given by the NTSB. Closetsingle (talk) 23:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Third victim: Benjamin Gran

I added a reference to this person. His case became well-publicized by the news media. http://komonews.com/news/local/mom-says-son-killed-in-amtrak-crash-had-turned-his-life-completely-around 2601:1C2:4E02:3020:A983:F192:A06B:1725 (talk) 23:13, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not PTC? Not ATC?

The article in the Derailment section, states that PTC was not installed on that route. But it does not refer to ATC, whether it was installed or not, or whether it was active or not. When we see events involving (American) train incidents, we often see reference to the fact that PTC (the newer system) was not installed. But, my understanding is that in most cases, ATC (the older system) would also have prevented the problem, had it been operational. These weren't new tracks, it was merely a new route for a specific Amtrak line. Presumably some sort of automatic system was already installed? 2601:1C2:4E02:3020:4146:2231:C4F1:8E76 (talk) 17:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're right, there is no mention of Automatic train control. Do you have any source that shows its status relevant to this accident? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did a Google search for 'washington train derailment atc', and the first relevant result referring to ATC was http://katu.com/news/investigators/positive-train-control-not-ready-on-any-amtrak-cascades-trains-still-in-works-on-trimet ; another result was somewhere inside: http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/12/19-analysis-early-observations-on-the-amtrak-cascades-derailment ; http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/12/18-amtrak-cascades-train-derails-onto-washington-highway 2601:1C2:4E02:3020:4146:2231:C4F1:8E76 (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]