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What are Israel's comments on this? A2Kafir 16:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I would clean this article up (add an infobox, etc.), but there are no sources so cleaning up an unsourced article is putting the cart before the horse. Anynobody 08:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crashed?

Crashed my arse, it was either bombed or shot down, there is no amibguity to that, however there is ambiiguity as to whether it was an Israeli act, which it probably was.86.138.254.99 (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We need sources to say stuff like that in the article. (And Israel gets blamed for everything, so I get suspicious of those claims.) A2Kafir (talk) 23:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is highly suspicious that there is no accountability for this incident despite an Ambassador and a Foreign Minister having been interviewed for television. Additionally, a response team was sent out by the Royal Air Force. It is not so much about blame as it is about transparency and accountability, and the omission of material despite its availability, whether the shooters or their informers (or both) had been entrapped or not does not detract from the facts. It was downed by explosion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.161.148.209 (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The british RAF long-range radar at Cyprus saw an F-4 Phantom jet shoot down Malév 240. Only the zionists had the Phantom in the region at that time. Weirdly most of the people killed aboard the Tu-154 were scandinavian business travelers, because Malév was the last airline to still run to Beirut at the time. The jews also shot down a large czech Il-62 quad-jet airliner around that time. 91.83.15.117 (talk) 20:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
91.83: There is no government called "the Jews" - You can say Israel shot down X (if you have reliable sources that say so) - But "the Jews" did not shoot down anything because there is no such government. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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fatalities/survivor list and non-English sources

Attempting to share material here on talkpage, to be tabled: of the passengers,

  • Diplomats: UN Observer force, Captain Heeiki Paavola;

Posted to Jordan from Katajanokka, Mauri Krohn

  • Angolan National
  • Dutch National
  • Hungarian National, en route to Baghdad trade fair, working for company called Irodageptechnika V, married with two kids, name: Glausius Gabor
  • French Nationals, four French Sisters in service with Holy Family convent of Beirut, names: Adeline Soucan; Gabriele Giustiniani; Jean Andre Hitier; Marcelien Delaverne
  • UK Nationals, Judith Lehmann (relative of Ruth Maidani);
  • New Zealand National, Ruth Maidani;
  • Saudi Arabia Nationals
  • Egyptian Nationals

of the crewmembers, 4 women, 6 men (names available from hirTV or other Hungarian media) the above was reported on hirTV television broadcast.


Cyprus-based signals intelligence anonymized sources of Her Britannic Majesty`s RAF, identifier 90280 or RAF Troodos, detected the aircrafts involved in the incident, confirming it had been shot down by two direct hits of heat-seeking missiles from a two-mile intercept range, impacting the tail of the aircraft(as broadcasted on Dutch television in December 2008).

A Statement or declaration attributed to former RAF Navigator Tom Morcross of his participation in the RAF unit dispatched to the scene of the wreckage states that the wreckage was widely dispersed over a wide area due to "explosion".

This assessment has been confirmed by the former Foreign Minister of Finland, Erkki Tuomioja.

Firstly, thank you for discussing rather than constantly attempting to insert the information. Now to the crux of the matter - where is your source, or better still where are your multiple sources to confirm all of this? It's not enough to say "This assessment has been confirmed by the former Foreign Minister of Finland, Erkki Tuomioja" but where did he say this, and to who did he say this? we need multiple reliable sources to corroborate what you are saying. Your embedded video is not really a good enough source in that it is non-english and so cannot be verified. I know that may sound a little unfair to the non-english speaking world, but sources need to be verifiable and this one currently cannot. Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your speedy assistance in satisfying your objections. Perhaps a wikipedian with working knowledge of Hungarian or Dutch (possibly of an open social mind) may help to you with that. I`m drained. Godspeed126.161.148.209 (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Victim named as Gabor

Are there any Hungarian sources showing Gabor was related to Gábor K killed in a Siemens electric centrifugal propeller electric aeroplane on the 31st of May 2018? Certainly of note if available.126.161.148.209 (talk) 00:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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