Talk:Ahed Tamimi

Ahlam Tamimi Family connection- The Sbarro suicide bombing

How come some information is omitted such as her Family’s criminal records and terror activism? Ahed’s call for terror attacks in social Media? Without mentioning all facts, this log is slanted and won’t portray the truth. Facts should be included in the most impartial manner. Charlotte253 (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Can’t agree more. The entire article is biased and omits basic facts such as the fact that her aunt is Ahlam Tamimi, the perpetrator and facilitator of the The Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing, also called the Sbarro massacre, which was a Palestinian terrorist attack on a pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem, Israel, on 9 August 2001, in which 15 civilians were killed, including 7 children and a pregnant woman, and 130 wounded (from the Wikipedia article). Or that her cousin - Nizar Tamimi who married Ahlam Tamimi is the murderer of Chaim Mizrahi in another terrorist attack.

It also omits the fact Chezi-Schlaff (talk) 23:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

A bunch of comments

Content from Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedias

From a cursory glance at the Arabic version of this article using Google Translate, it doesn't seem to have notable info we don't have (or had and deleted) here, but I don't understand Arabic, so I hope someone else will review that. However, I do understand Hebrew, and the Hebrew version definitely has some notable info that isn't in the English version (and hasn't been here as far back as I checked). For instance, it mentions petitions by Amnesty International, Avaaz, and Dream Defenders that call for Tamimi's release, and mentions that Abbas met with her family at his office and declared her a honorary member of the Palestinian National Council. Any thoughts? Professor Proof (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Good article nomination

TheGracefulSlick, there have been some edit wars here relatively recently, and some content is still disputed. Doesn't that fail good article criterion #5? As a part of the said content disputes, some editors seem to think the article isn't neutral, and thus if I were to review this nomination I wouldn't immediately determine that it meets #4. It fairly clearly meets #6, and it seems to be well-referenced enough to meet #2, though I didn't make sure the article reflects the sources. I'm not qualified to check the article against #1 and #3, which is why I won't actually review the nomination. Again, any thoughts? Professor Proof (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Typo

This one is trivial, but the article is extended-confirmed protected, so: the article describes Ammar Dweik as the "director of the The..." and makes a wikilink longer than it should be. I'd change it to "director of the Independent Commission for Human Rights". Professor Proof (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

That was it. If you reply, please do me a favor and ping me (not only in your first reply, I'm high-maintenance ). Cheers! Professor Proof (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Professor Proof. That was very helpful input. (1) Technically, virtually all Palestinian articles are generally subject to challenge as POV-based. If they seek a DYK, that applies all the more. I think the #5 criteria regarding this should examine if the protesting editors have drawn up a list of problems/concerns, and, if so, whether they have been addressed. Revert wars are to be expected, but good faith is shown by this procedure. I don't think anyone has troubled themselves to outline on the talk page such a bulleted list and in the meantime, those issues that have been raised were addressed here and in editing. The article has stabilized. (2) Your point re Dweik has been readily adopted, sensible. (3) I removed one dead linked article, which was an eyesore and, on scrutiny, not needed given the abundance of references for the same content. Regards Nishidani (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2018

1) Change: "... to the expansion of Jewish settlements and detention of Palestinians."

To: "... to the expansion of Israeli settlements and detention of Palestinians."

Reason: Israeli settlements are open to all Israeli citizens regardless of national/ethnic identity

2) Change: "... were filmed slapping, kicking, and shoving them; the soldiers do not retaliate"

To: "... were filmed slapping, kicking, and shoving them; the soldiers did not retaliate."

Reason: Grammatical accuracy Mwishlight (talk) 10:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

The second change has already been made. The first needs a reliable source indicating that the settlers were not Jewish. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Ahed Tamimi to be freed from Prison

Ahed Tamimi to be freed on Sunday after serving 8 months time in prison after hitting soldier.

• "Ahed Tamimi to be freed Sunday after serving time for hitting soldier". The Times of Israel. 26 July 2018. Sokuya (talk) 20:23, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

• "Israeli Officials Confirm Ahed Tamimi's Release Sunday". Telesur TV. 26 July 2018. Shushugah (talk) 16:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Using wiki-voice for POV stmt that at the minimum needs to be attributed

This edit re-instated in wiki-voice "her case also highlighted Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinian minors.". This is citing 3 sources (2 added vs. the original). The first, the Guardian (which was the original citation), says nothing of the sort and merely mentions minors being imprisoned. The second, The Intercept, is a highly biased anti-Israel source with factual reporting issues in its past - it doesn't quite say this - though I suppose one could summarize it. The third - CNN - is an acceptable source - however it doesn't say so in its own voice, but rather attributes this to HRW's Omar Shakir. At the very least, such a stmt should be attributed.Icewhiz (talk) 14:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Text her case also highlighted Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinian minors. Sources for the text.

There is no need for attribution when several sources state a fact. You call a POV statement a fact that is universally attested by the most important Human Rights analysts in the world. To call the beating hauling before military courts and gaoling of minors in an occupied country a 'point of view' is ridiculous, a refusal to face the obvious. I.e.

• 'Minors in Jeopardy:Violation of the Rights of Palestinian Minors by Israel’s Military Courts,' B'tselem March 2018
• Rebecca Carr, ill-treatment of detained Palestinian minors must end Amnesty International 7 February 2018:

While the case of Palestinian teen activist Ahed Tamimi has conjured significant international media attention, her case is not unique. According to Israel Prison Service (IPS) statistics published by Israeli anti-occupation organization B’Tselem, Israel is holding over 300 Palestinian minors in prison. Just like Tamini, an alarming proportion of those minors are being held in detention until the end of legal proceedings, without having been convicted. Israel is the only country in the world that automatically prosecutes children in military courts that lack fundamental fair rights and guarantees. The systematic ill treatment and torture of Palestinian children has been widely documented in recent years, with Amnesty International finding that Israeli forces had “tortured and otherwise ill-treated Palestinian detainees, including children, particularly during arrest and interrogation”, with methods including “beating with batons, slapping, throttling, prolonged shackling, stress positions, sleep deprivation and threats.”

• Palestine: Israeli Police Abusing Detained Children: With Arrests Spiking, Growing Concern Human Rights Watch 11 April 2016

The three sources are stating the obvious, and together warrant the mild statement about the facts paraphrased in Wikipedia. If this were an extraordinary claim you might have a leg to stand on. It is obvious and therefore taking exception to them is carping. The Intercept is 'a highly biased anti-Israel source'? Well, The Jewish Chronicle, Jewish News and Jewish Telegraph are 'higjly biased anti-Palestinian sources' whose use on the Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party page you fully endorse. I don't object to their use, even though there the intent is to smear; you shouldn't object to the Intercept's reportage of, not a smear, but a universally accepted reality. Nishidani (talk) 15:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

While the "imprisonment" (and judicial process in military courts) of minors prosecuted for committing crimes is an accepted fact, labeling application of justice as "mistreatment", based on RS quoting HRW's director (or an Amnesty report) - should be attributed.Icewhiz (talk) 15:53, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Read the reports. All three sources document and unequivocally state that they are maltreated, and no one who actually reads the evidence can doubt that 'maltreatment' is in fact a euphemism. Protection of minors is a u universal part of international law, and seizure, arrest, physical molestation, gaoling, and interrogation of children by grown battlehardened soldiers without the presence of parents or lawyers is psychologically devastating, and the first to know the effectiveness of this Stasi like treatment of minors are the people engaged in it. Nishidani (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

• Read The Guardian once again and see: "Concerns about her treatment in detention were raised after..." and also "Her case has highlighted the arrest and detention of what local human rights groups say are more than 300 Palestinian minors." Please note that the latter quote is attributing the number of detainees to human rights groups, so the fact her case "highlighted" something is not attributed in the text. CNN is saying almost the same thing in his own voice. Such a well-established fact does not need attribution. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:13, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

New photos of Ahed

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I just uploaded two photos/portraits of Ahed.. Ggia (talk)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2018

The main photo is form 2016. There is more updated one of the same person: file:20180807 Ahed Tamimi West Bank Palestine 2.jpg. Please add it to the article. Corvus (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC) Corvus (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 12:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Legitimation of stabbings and suicide atacks?

I wonder to find nothing about this alleged quote of Ahed Tamimi: "They have to take responsibility for whatever our reaction is — whether it's stabbing attacks, or suicide attacks, or stone throwing," Source:

At first, I'd like to discuss if Tamimi really said this. You can also find this quote on several conservative Israeli media outlets, but this is the most neutral one that I could find. But it's just one. Does anyone know an actual video or post or twitter where she said/wrote that?

Second, if she said this, it would mean that she thinks that US and and Israel are to blame if any Israeli citizen gets stabbed or bombed. You could argue this was pretty close to "It's the Jews' fault their are being killed", and the cited article says it's actually the same thing. So if it's her actual quote, this perspective should be presented in the article.

For now, I'd like to discuss on this discussion page IF she said this at all. JakobvS (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

• According to Newsweek, Tamimi's "mother, who filmed the event, was charged with assault and incitement after posting a video of the teen on social media in which she urges others to protest against Israel with stabbing attacks or suicide bombings." Per Times of Israel: "The 17-year-old was also filmed encouraging attacks against Israelis, including stabbing attacks." Scaleshombre (talk) 16:51, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

This is a talk page for discussing article improvement, not the Bash The Tamimis page. Zero^talk 01:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. To improve the page with relevant, RS information, like in this case. Scaleshombre (talk) 05:58, 2 October 2018 (UTC)