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A food desert is different from a lack of supermarkets

A food desert is different from a lack of supermarkets (if that's really a problem..) 195.224.10.194 (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe it is. Maybe it is.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 21:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I edited this point in the introductory paragraph and in the definitions so far.Skingski (talk) 22:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I would like to see some sort of citation for healthy food being more expensive calorie for calorie. Is the comparison fresh apple vs. cups of apple sauce? Or more like making a dinner for four for under 10 dollars vs. each person buys a Hungry Man and considers themselves fed? I don't think it's something you can gloss over "generally." If the term was coined by that book then the book itself should be credited for the concept rather than make a tiny article about something people don't really have exposure to outside of the book, making it difficult to establish notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.8.200 (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

There is a difference between the shortage of supermarkets and food deserts. The shortage of supermarkets may not be an actual problem for a local economy that has functioning small businesses that can supply for the community. Food deserts are an issue of accessibility to fresh produce not an issue of being able to travel to or afford supermarket priced food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.171.174 (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

See the revised Definitions section on this. Researchers disagree as the definition of accessibility varies.Skingski (talk) 22:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I’m new to this page. I have been doing some research to try to improve this article. I have noticed the discussion over the definition of food deserts, I was thinking that it might give a better understanding using the USDA’s definition. I would like to add it, I believe it would greatly improved the understanding of the concept.

“According to the USDA, census tracts qualify as food deserts if they meet low-income and low-access thresholds:

1. They qualify as "low-income communities", based on having: a) a poverty rate of 20 percent or greater, OR b) a median family income at or below 80 percent of the area median family income; AND 2. 2. They qualify as "low-access communities", based on the determination that at least 500 persons and/or at least 33% of the census tract's population live more than one mile from a supermarket or large grocery store (10 miles, in the case of non-metropolitan census tracts). (USDA) Therefore it leaves this community to it shop for food in other places, shopping at convenience stores or going to fast food. These option are more expensive and less nutritious food options.” 239to913 (talk) 23:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Shortage of supermarkets is directly linked with Food Deserts-studies have found that supermarkets increase access to quality, healthy food because they offer lower- cost versions. Fewer supermarkets operate in low-income neighborhoods and as a result, residents resort to shop in convenience stores and gas stations. Store audit research suggests that supermarkets are the most effective way to supply communities with a wide selection of fresh and relatively affordable healthy food, and tax incentives target many supermarkets. Moreover supermarkets are open year-round and accept they are typically also open year-round for more convenient hours and generally have EBT (electronic benefit transfer) (Neckerman, Bader, Purciel, & Yousefzadeh, 2009). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kankan628 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

This is such a bullshit topic lol. Made up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.45.142 (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I run a food co-op in a community in Cleveland, Ohio. I think it laughable that people don't think this is important or relevant. Whats worse is some of the above opinions about supermarkets. As executive director, and one of those who reviewed the industry analysis and market research before building this co-op, I learned quite a bit about the community we were focusing in on. The Central community IS a food desert, and the definition is so very accurate that it deserves a recommendation. Access to fresh produce is also DIRECTLY related to supermarkets. The corner stores don't sell produce because it has such a short shelf life, and you have to sell so much of it for it to be profitable. These corner stores have a problem with unsanitary conditions; and mostly make their money from alcohol, tobacco, lottery, and junk foods. Many of them even sell carry-out fried foods. The supermarkets make money on mark-ups. Suburban communities provide better returns than urban or rural communities. The latter two is where you will usually find food deserts.

This, of course is my area of expertise. There are definitely higher rates of food related health disparities like high blood pressure, hypertension, high cholesterol, and heart disease. This has quite a bit to do with the availability of nutritious foods. Two thirds of all of Cleveland's low-income projects are in this community. There is ONE supermarket in the entire community. Access to fresh produce is very minimal. Fast food restaurants love these kinds of neighborhoods, because they command a larger portion of the market. After generations pass living in this situation, health problems become commonplace. Anyone who thinks this is a B.S. topic evidently suffers from privilege and entitlement issues.

We are solving a huge problem in poorer communities. If it isn't relevant to you, you are far too disconnected from real life. In this economy, many people who thought this would never be a concern to them are finding themselves at food-banks. Live it up, just another day for you in paradise.Donvalantino (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Supermarket Shortage(s) is a very important topic/issue--one that has been going on for decades and requires proper and extensive coverage on Wikipedia, especially the current efforts being made by major cities to deal with the shortages to curb the related health issues affecting their populations. I believe the topic stands on its own and should be separate from "Food Desert." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorxgc (talk • contribs) 13:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree.Skingski (talk) 22:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I have a suggestion for the implications section.

It is important to note, this demographic is mostly nonstandard workers. “Nonstandard work arrangements are nonstandard schedules such as work hours that fall outside “typical business hours (i.e. the nine-to-five day), including rotating shifts and night or evening shifts.” In this situation it makes it harder for people working these hours to make it to a traditional grocery store, especially smaller stores that typically close earlier. Therefore, it illustrates how this problem continues to evolve. It inevidently sends this demographic in search of other alternatives such as fast food or convenience stores, that are generally open later. 239to913 (talk) 00:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

"the exclusion refers to the shift of food retailers away from urban areas, an outcome of urban sprawl and segregation." Actually it is an outcome of market viability. Urban supermarkets are closing because no one is shopping there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.178.35.70 (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm taking out the line in the intro about how food deserts are associated with Supermarket shortage, because supermarket shortage is more of a factor leading to the creation of a food desert. I would rather replace this with a line about this and other causes of food deserts. Defa16 (talk) 05:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

African American communities have the less access to food with in food deserts. “Food access is particularly bad in African-American neighborhoods because of a lack of full-service supermarkets, whether independent or chain. Food access in Hispanic communities is generally better than in African-American neighborhoods due to the presence of independent and small chain supermarkets, but full-service chains are missing. Changes between 2005-2007, in general, have brought more discount stores, but few others, to African-American communities.” Hispanic communities within food deserts have targeted hispanic food market. 239to913 (talk) 23:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps in the article, more info can be given about how some people don't necessarily "believe in" food deserts? Providing arguments from both sides? H.tennis (talk) 03:46, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Parts of the article discussing the causes of perceived supermarket shortages should be moved to the Supermarket shortage page.Skingski (talk) 13:07, 8 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

References and brevity

This article is replete with missing references, such as "(Morland, 2002)," to name one of many. Can this be fixed? Otherwise, they need to go. Also, the article reads like a series of dissertations. Can the gist of each article be presented for the reader? Skingski (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Update: I am going thru the article now to Wikify it. I'm doing it slowly - If you have any problems with an edit or ideas, let me know ASAP. Thanks! Skingski (talk) 22:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

it seems as though all of the references are all there H.tennis (talk) 03:44, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!Skingski (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

As can be seen, I am trying to pare down the verbosity to present the gist of each research article.Skingski (talk) 03:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Eliminating "Barriers to food access for elderly living in rural food deserts"

I propose this section be deleted or moved to a suitable page since it does not specifically deal with food deserts but the problems faced by elderly in eating well in general.Skingski (talk) 02:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I propose to merge the relevant part of this section into the page Food choice of older adults and/or Food security.Skingski (talk) 18:37, 3 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Deleted "Inability to leave the home" section for reasons above as well as the fact there is no reference to a food desert study to back up subjective conclusions. Moreover, "limited mobility" is asserted without citation as a barrier for the elderly in a prior paragraph.Skingski (talk) 18:40, 6 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Part of this was moved into Food choice of older adults along with a reference on widows from the Transportation subsection.Skingski (talk) 22:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved "Nutritional concerns" subsection into "Health outcomes" section as it is a health outcome. Indeed, this section is supposed to be about "Barriers" not health outcomes.Skingski (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

I am combining transportation problems for food deserts into this section and will rename this section soon. I moved a paragraph from "Affordability" section. There is another bit on transportation in "Income and food prices" section and the introductory paragraph to "Rural food deserts" to combine. Transportation references currently in the Barriers section include urban food deserts as is. Transportation is a common problem for elderly and poor.Skingski (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Eliminating paragraph on community gardens

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The paragraph proposed to be deleted starts, "One community intervention that increases food access is the community garden." As can be seen on the relevant Wiki page (Community gardening in the United States), such gardens are not meant to be a food source for deprived neighborhoods, but rather "a promising approach to promote healthy behaviors." As a behavior modification tool, it is therefore unrelated to the topic of food deserts (areas deprived of or with high barriers of access to healthful food sources).Skingski (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

This was deleted. It is also noted there is no reference that proposes this as a solution. Skingski (talk) 05:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)User:Skingski

Deed Restrictions

Does wikipedia get money from walmart or safeway? Why is there no discussion in this article of the real causes of food deserts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.197.104 (talk) 07:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The real cause of food deserts is government subsidization of the fast food industry. Viriditas (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Stray references

I went through the article and standardized everything as inline footnotes, but there were a few stray references at the bottom that didn't correspond to any specific text. I'm placing them here for reference. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

• Buczko, William (2001). "Rural Medicare Beneficiaries' Use of Rural and Urban Hospitals". The Journal of Rural Health. 17 (1): 53–8. doi:10.1111/j.1748-0361.2001.tb00254.x. PMID 11354722.
• "Studies Question the Pairing of Food Deserts and Obesity". New York Times. 2012-04-17. Retrieved 2012-04-17.
• Matson, John (May 2012). "Food Deserts Leave Many Americans High and Dry". Scientific American.
• Cummins, Steven; MacIntyre, S (2002). "'Food deserts'—evidence and assumption in health policy making". BMJ. 325 (7361): 436–8. doi:10.1136/bmj.325.7361.436. PMC 1123946. PMID 12193363.

In which countries does this problem occur?

In which Western countries do the relatively poor have any difficulty accessing healthy foods? It evidently exists in the United States. But which other countries has this problem? My dad claims that food deserts occur in Britain, too. As far as I know neither Sweden, Italy, France or the Netherlands have this kind of problem. In these countries relatively healthy food is actually less expensive than junk food. Also, fresh fruits are available everywhere in the cities. I think the situation is the same throughout most of Europe. Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. 2015-01-04

I am going to try to tackle this issue and broaden the article to a global context (if it exists, which it probably does). I will nest the US sections with other countries if/when I do. Let me know if you had ideas/suggestions/sources you would like incorporated. Defa16 (talk) 05:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

As I note on this page (Issues by Region -- United States), nesting the U.S. in this section makes little sense since the entire article is about the U.S. and to some extent Canada. So I propose merging the small bits of US info into the rest of the article, but keeping the "Issues by Region" section (retitled -- "Issues by Regions Outside the U.S."?) for other countries.Skingski (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Hi, I’m new to this page. I have been doing some research to try to improve this article. I was following the advice of what this needs. “The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with the United States and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject.” So I’ve been searching for information, I found an article supporting evidence of food desert in Melbourne, Australia. “In Melbourne, households with lower individual socio-economic position and area disadvantages have restricted access to food because of lack of money and /or having physical limitations due difficulty lifting or lack of access to a car for food shopping.” 239to913 (talk) 01:05, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Food desert in France- “European (non-UK) food access research also frequently highlights the problem of poverty in relation to accessing a healthy diet.” France researches have noted that lower income consumers have a tendency to reach for more affordable items such as high caloric foods, (i.e. cereals, sweets, and added fats) instead of nutrient rich single source foods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 239to913 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Be careful of editorializing or advocating in your findings and in your research. But contributions are indeed welcome! Hires an editor (talk) 02:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, there is this poorly designed but full of information website from England: [1] Hires an editor (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Is there enough evidence to say that food deserts is a widespread multi-country problem. I've been researching, for several months and not got a lot to add to this section.239to913 (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Not sure where you've been researching. Wikipedia offers its editors access to various academic and other behind-paywall or other restricted access journals (you'll have to investigate that, though). My own personal opinion is that this is likely a First-World problem, in that lack of access to food in most other regions of the world isn't measured this way. To be more PC about it: Developed economies have a different issue regarding food access than do developing ones, and so discussing the issue is going to use different terms and language. Hires an editor (talk) 00:47, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

I guess what I’m saying is it might be a problem, but I’m not sure there is enough documentation to commit to the statement that it is a worldwide. I appreciate your feedback and thoughts. I have been searching academic search engines and using peer-review articles. I searched different terms, food security, food access, and other combination.I found this one particularly article interesting, and maybe explain why it wasn't easy finding lots of articles. I agree you are most likely correct say its a First-World problem.

“Food deserts exist, at least in the United States. Evidence is both abundant and robust enough for us to conclude that Americans living in low income and minority areas ten to have poor access to healthy food. However, Studies on the price of food were generally of low-quality, and their findings were mixed. Evidence from other countries is sparse and equivocal. The evidence that is available is much less compelling than evidence from the United States. On this basis, evidence from other countries does not warrant firm conclusions at this time on whether access to healthy, affordable food systematically varies to disadvantaged so socioeconomically deprived ares.” http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2009/jul/08_0163.htm

What are your thoughts?239to913 (talk) 05:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Are there really any food deserts in France? Anyone wo can verify or refute this?

2015-12-31 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.144.9 (talk) 18:36, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

This section on countries is on a new page Food deserts by country.Skingski (talk) 20:08, 29 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

References

Why simply adding a grocery store to a food desert isn't the answer.

Additional Barriers

There are safety concerns for residents of food deserts. Many food deserts are in high crime area, with bulletproof glass or bars on the windows, not a comfortable shopping environment. The neighborhoods have higher rates of community violence, with most having a lack of transportation. They will also have to walk these streets caring their food, and maybe also being responsible of a child or children.239to913 (talk) 01:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

This is addressed in the article.Skingski (talk) 00:42, 15 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

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Online EBT Purchases

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I made the following edits to the article, I plan to do more research about other areas of the country that may be engaging in online EBT purchases. I think that this information betters the article in that it can open peoples eyes to the fact that there are people trying to correct the pains of food deserts. _{"State and federal agencies in New York are working together to create a program that allows EBT users the option to purchase healthful foods online and have them delivered to their homes. In the fall of 2016 a pilot program was launched in conjunction with an established food delivery company, FreshDirect. This pilot allows two zip codes in the Bronx to have access to the services provided by FreshDirect and the option to pay by EBT. The advancements being made by the USDA to enhance access to fresh local foods could eliminate the existence of food deserts in areas that gain access to this food delivery model.[75]"} Does anyone know of any other areas in the country where these advancements are being made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenmachine3 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

The edited version of this has been moved to the new page Food deserts by country. Skingski (talk) 23:02, 4 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

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Food desert in West Oakland merger

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Portions of this page (Food desert in West Oakland) should be merged into this one and the remainder may be deleted as it is irrelevant to food deserts. Skingski (talk) 05:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Completed merger from this page and added redirect to here.Skingski (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Merging "Proposed solutions to rural food deserts" into "Barriers and proposed solutions"

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The former section contains information that also appears in the latter (Both deal with only America). As well, all? the solutions listed for rural food deserts are not limited to rural areas and some are only in urban food deserts. Therefore, I propose to merge them and separate "Barriers and proposed solutions" into two separate sections if possible. Skingski (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

The item, "* Residents in community-supported agriculture programs (CSAs) must commit to buying some produce from a local farmer annually", is moved into Farmers market article with an appropriate reference. CSAs are inappropriate for low-income residents due to how risky they are. If there is a bad crop year, residents receive little or no produce in return for their money. Moreover, presumably low-income residents wouldn't have much money saved to afford to buy a CSA box to begin with.Skingski (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Completed merger of sections. As noted in edits, this section has no info on "Barriers", so that part of title was dropped.Skingski (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved detailed information from "Incentivizing supermarket and grocery store number" to the main Supermarket_shortage#Case_studies.Skingski (talk) 01:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Mexico: "Obesity"

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No reference in this section examines food deserts. Consequently, the information here was moved into the Wikipedia page Obesity in Mexico.Skingski (talk) 22:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Mexico

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This entire section deals exclusively with dietary trends, farming and such, not food deserts. No study on food deserts in Mexico is presented. This section should be deleted or merged into Obesity in Mexico.Skingski (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Food resources subtopic entirely dealt with Food security and was moved into that page.Skingski (talk) 19:20, 6 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved remaining dietary trend section into Obesity_in_Mexico#Nutrition_transition; deleted section.Skingski (talk) 16:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Issues by Region -- United States

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This section has redundant information to what precedes in the article as the article is entirely about the U.S. until we reach "Issues by Region." I propose to move and merge the information on the U.S. in this section into the prior portions of the article.Skingski (talk) 01:31, 12 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Deleted redundant information:

– paragraph on "2.4 million households" is said earlier in the article with same reference;

– "there are disparities in the retail food environment" said previously in "Racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic disparities" and elsewhere with same+other citations;

– "larger supermarkets have followed this trend and are most prevalent in these white suburban neighborhoods" said already in "Racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic disparities" with same citationSkingski (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved "food swamps" information to "Affordability" subsection.Skingski (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved food desert mapping paragraph into mapping info in "Measuring food access" "Distance" and "Fresh food availability" subsections.Skingski (talk) 15:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Completed move.Skingski (talk) 19:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

This section and other countries moved to new page Food deserts by country.Skingski (talk) 20:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Affordability and Economic pressures

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These sections say virtually the same thing and should be merged.Skingski (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Merged sections.Skingski (talk) 19:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Data from income/food prices studies in the "Income and food prices" subsection were also merged into Affordability subsection. The former section is devoted to defining the parameters of what constitutes a food desert. The latter is interested in research outcomes.Skingski (talk) 21:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

This was moved to Food deserts by country. Skingski (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Implications

This section's first paragraph deals with the problem deriving from low numbers of supermarkets in food deserts. This issue is also addressed in the "Racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic disparities" and "United States" sections. This information should be combined and a subsection with an appropriate title for this with a link to the main relevant page, Supermarket shortage.Skingski (talk) 00:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved a relevant paragraph from "Racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic disparities" into this section. Other parts of "Racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic disparities" section may need to be moved here as well.Skingski (talk) 20:44, 16 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Research

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This section is almost entirely devoted to health outcomes and belongs in that section entitled "Health outcomes". Moreover, the entire article is a recitation of research, so the title of this section does not make sense.Skingski (talk) 00:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Moved paragraph 1 of "Research" into "Implications" section; the rest (entirely devoted to health outcomes) was moved into "Health outcomes" subsection; deleted "Research" section.Skingski (talk) 03:43, 18 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Beyond physical access

I propose to consolidate most items on people's decisions on what foods they choose to consume into this section since they do not deal with physical access, and add a wikilink to Food choice for more information.Skingski (talk) 20:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Consolidated most information on food choice (behavior, education, etc) here. Also moved fast-food information on behavior and locations here as it is not in itself related to food deserts.Skingski (talk) 01:24, 20 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

I think the subsections "Work and family", "Safety and store appearance" and "Fast food" should be eliminated or moved to a different wiki page. These issues are not unique to food deserts. Alternatively, we could summarize them in one sentence as mitigating factors.Skingski (talk) 16:42, 3 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Africa

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This section is exceedingly verbose and doesn't even make sense in places.Skingski (talk) 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

"Definition" and "Differences in measuring" subsections have much of the same information. Merged the similar information and kept transportation problems in the latter section with a new titleSkingski (talk) 17:42, 17 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

This section and other countries moved to new page Food deserts by country.Skingski (talk) 17:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Definitions

"While there are a myriad of definitions for the term food desert, " -- this isn't accurate. There is one definition mentioned in the first sentence of the article for "food desert." The mention of controversy I think would be better served in a separate section on "Controversy."Skingski (talk) 20:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

"Measuring food access" should be moved into the "Definitions" section since every subsection here are essentially expounding on the parameters listed in "Definitions."Skingski (talk) 20:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Merged. Skingski (talk) 00:41, 8 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Rural food deserts

This section is entirely about U.S. food deserts and so should be moved into Food deserts by country. Skingski (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

History

Created new section, moving info from introduction into it and adding a bit more. A concern is citing the term "desert" being first used in 1973. I think it is helpful, but the reference it is from is a thesis. It quotes p. 3 of a book by John D. Baines ("The environment," Batsford, London, 1973). Many sources post-2003 seem to copy the same info from this thesis. I can't find an e-copy of Baines to double check or a better scholarly publication. -- Since it is just a thesis, I should think it only be used here and not for other things that can be verified by publications. Skingski (talk) 04:38, 10 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Sadly I can't find the 1995 document from the policy working group of the Low Income Project Team of the UK's Nutrition Task Force. But everyone in the field cites it, starting with the reference I used, Cummins and MacIntyre 2002. Skingski (talk) 04:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

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Jayron- I was remiss in adding the course note- students had created this content as a small group project so while it was C&P from their working document, it is original content. Thanks Richardjames444 (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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History section

The history section could use some expansion, to include history of the phenomenon, not just the term. Abramshaw1 (talk) 03:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Easier said than done. The problem is the term "food desert" was invented/accepted before evidence for such a thing was found. Thus, sociologists have presented various ideas as to what general real-world problem should be denoted by it -- e.g., lack of grocery stores, low-priced grocery stores, stores with healthy food, fresh produce and/or local produce, cultural barriers, traditional diets, types of access, some or all of these options, etc. Skingski (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2018 (UTC)skingski

New Article: Food deserts in Texas

The food desert parent page is relatively well-developed, but there is no page looking at food deserts in specific places. I am interested in writing an article on food deserts in Texas specifically. Please refer to my user talk page for more updates. Aminawilliams (talk) 13:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Elephant

Wikipedia depends on reliable sources, defined as politically correct academics, so I thought I'd point out the elephant in the room: Supermarkets are unlikely to be built in minority neighborhoods because minorities commit more robberies and shoplifting. The cost is passed on to consumers, one way or another. Also, poverty makes it easier to eat healthy, not harder: the cheapest, healthiest food is in the produce aisle, and the unhealthiest, most expensive food is fast food and restaurant food. If everyone wanted cabbage instead of french fries, businesses would find it profitable to meet that demand. Apparently the factors that make neighborhoods poor resemble the factors that make them prefer fast food. Art LaPella (talk) 18:15, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

You are suggesting one possible cause for food deserts. It might be a good idea for the article to have a "Causes" section. I don't currently see any discussion of causes... Ar2332 (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2018 (UTC)