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Former good article nomineeKyiv was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2019

MrAlexKing (talk) 18:55, 4 March 2019 (UTC) https://mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/5418[reply]
No concrete changes have been proposed.--Paul Siebert (talk) 19:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is just more of the same inability of the the Ukrainian government to understand that 1) the forms used in other languages are neither "mistakes" nor "transliterations from Russian", they are distinct words in those languages and 2) regardless of point 1 such things are beyond the power of the Ukrainian government to control. --Khajidha (talk) 14:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2019

Mandrivnykua1 (talk) 11:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019

Ganeregenere (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to Ukrainian language, the city is pronounced as "Kyiv" only. There is no such version in Ukrainian as "Kiev".

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You did notice that this page is not written in Ukrainian, right? --Khajidha (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't look at the page, just noticed your request was not sourced. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This you did notice that this is the English Wikipedia ? - FlightTime (open channel) 21:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not my request, just pointing out to the original poster that Ukrainian norms are not binding on the English language. --Khajidha (talk) 21:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my understanding the Wikipedia always was an unbiased resource and definitely was not a propaganda media, but media that reflects reality.

We can spend hours to argue, but Wikipedia people can consider few simple things.

Ukraine, as a territory, had many invasions from Mongols, Ottoman Empire, Rzeczpospolita, Russian Empire, Germans, etc. All of those invaders had own names for UKRAINIAN cities. Yes, Russia enslaved Ukraine for years and was more successful in that business than other.

Russians changed most of ukrainian city names to their own russian names. Like Kyiv to Kiev, Rivne to Rovno (there is the article with that russian name Rovno Ghetto), Kharkiv to Kharkov, etc. They even changed original city names to names of russian leaders, like Luhansk to Voroshilovgrad, Mariupol to Zhdanov, etc.

But you can't deny that Kyi is the founder of KYIv City.

Like Romulus is the founder of Rome City. By the way, the russian name for Rome is Rim and you will never accept it in your language, because English has Latin roots from Ancient Rome. :)

English-speaking person will never accept russian name for New Zealand: Novaya Zehlandiya, or Kentookie instead of Kentucky

I understand, that the root of the issue with KIEV, that most of you, people, had no any imagine, that Ukraine even exists 'till the recent time, because the whole territory was the Great Mother-Russia in eyes of foreigners, despite that Beatles "Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out" in the Back in the U.S.S.R. song.

Nonetheless, Wikipedia has changed easily many of ukrainian city names to their proper names, like Kharkov to Kharkiv, Nikolayev to Mykolaiv, Kremenchug to Kremenchuk, Chernigov to Chernihiv, etc.

And why there are so many speculations and insinuations for Kyiv ...

The Guardian article and the note from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Ukraine) are just examples that something has been restored to it natural state and Wikipedia doesn't want to accept the truth.

The notorious Wikipedia's "collaborative consensus" gets along smoothly with other UKRAINIAN cities name correction (Kharkov to Kharkiv, Nikolayev to Mykolaiv, Kremenchug to Kremenchuk, Chernigov to Chernihiv, etc.). There is obvious discrepancy in an approach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor sunsay (talk • contribs) 12:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

English Wikipedia is indeed not a propaganda tool, in particular, not a Ukrainian propaganda tool, and this is exactly the reason the name of the article is Kiev.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I hope, you can point out the place for the propaganda in KYIV word and explain the spick and span Wikipedia renaming for other UKRAINIAN cities? --Victor sunsay —Preceding undated comment added 12:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your whole post above is propaganda. What we use is the most common name in English, and, absent that, we use an Ukrainian name properly romanized. Ukrainian government is not in a position to determine the usage of names in English. It can make illegal using certain names, and this could have legal effects in Ukraine (to be precise, in the part of Ukraine controlled by the central government) but not elsewhere. Concerning the most common usage, we had once this discussion and found out that most names of Ukrainian localities have no common usage (hence Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kremenchuk), but Kiev and Odessa do, and we are using their common names in English, despite having every couple of weeks nationalist Ukrainians explaining us what names we should be using,--Ymblanter (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, finnaly, tovarisch, the sutuation is clarifying. So, those are "evil Ukrainian nationalists" ... I have no questions then, Ymblanter. Victor sunsay —Preceding undated comment added 13:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is great, I am happy you have no questions.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait, while a balalayka is playing.--Victor sunsay —Preceding undated comment added 13:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably you think I am Russian, you hate Russians, and you are trying to attack me on that basis. This is by itself blockable, but you are clearly wasting your time because I am not even Russian.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
U r a dirty liar:

User:Ymblanter Wikipedia:Babel ru Русский — родной язык этого участника.--Victor sunsay


Victor sunsay (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2019 (UTC) I want to inform other participants that Ymblanter person is from Russia and tries to confuse English-speaking contributors with politics and insinuations about Ukraine, because his own Russian Federation country does act of direct aggression against Ukraine. The crucial point for understanding why such people so resist to Kyiv renaming is that their leader Vladimir Putin insists that ukrainians do not exist and Kyiv is a russian city. --Victor sunsay[reply]

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