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Romanian spokesperson

The Romanian spokesperson of 2019 is Ilinca, who represented Romania in 2017 together with Alex Florea: https://eurovoix.com/2019/05/03/romania-ilinca-eurovision-2019-spokesperson/

Jim V V (talk) 15:04, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 23:25, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish commentators

Someone should add the radio commentators and the swedish commentators Encyclopediafanatic (talk) 09:16, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Encyclopediafanatic: What names should we add (+mention the source)? —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 19:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eva Frantz and johan lindroos do the swedish commentary

Sanna Pirkkalainen andToni Laaksonen are the commentators of the semi-finals for yle Radio Suomi And final iscommentated by sanna pirkkalainen and sami sykkö

And the source is eurovoix.com

@Encyclopediafanatic: I can not find the source on eurovoix so can you put the link please Sammyham84 (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Sammyham84 (talk) 03:30, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

German broadcast

Please add, if possible, the following broadcasts on German television: One (all shows) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_(German_TV_channel) Deutsche Welle (final) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Welle

The shows all have the commentary of Peter Urban, just like the final on Das Erste. SpengeBob (talk) 15:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SpengeBob: Source? —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 19:14, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimsar01: https://www.eurovision.de/news/Sendetermine-im-TV-und-Livestreams-zum-ESC-2019,fernsehtermine112.html

Here's it. Sorry, I added a reply directly after I posted the post above, but it somehow didn't send. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpengeBob (talk • contribs) 15:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SpengeBob:  Done —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 13:55, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations map

Hi everyone, I've created a map for Congratulations: 50 Years of the Eurovision Song Contest but can't seem to incorporate it into the main infobox. Could another user possibly do this? I've tried to add Blue to the template map colours (infobox song contest). Also for the Greatest Hits map, the legend key for red now has "Red2" and "RedNQ" displayed on the page (used for ABU Radio Song Festival 2012, 2016). Thanks, Fort esc (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Fort esc: 1. Why to add this map here? 2. There's no blue option. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 14:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimsar01: I've added the Congratulations map for the same reasons why the Greatest Hits map was created. Can't blue be added to the template as an option? Fort esc (talk) 16:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Fort esc:  Done: Fixed template issues and added the specific blue color as "Blue" —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 07:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimsar01: Thanks for sorting out the template. Fort esc (talk) 16:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Fort esc: No problem :) —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 17:05, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Belgian broadcaster

According to Belgian newspaper 'Het Laatste Nieuws', the Flemish broadcaster Één decided to broadcast only the first semi-final. The second semi-final has moved to Ketnet, a children's channel, due to a political programme: https://www.hln.be/showbizz/tv/tweede-halve-finale-van-het-songfestival-verhuist-naar-ketnet~a293f863/

Jim V V (talk) 23:37, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jim V V:  Done —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 17:06, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine: Timur Miroshnychenko confirmed as UA:PBC commentator, Serhiy Prytula - as STB commentator

Source 1 Source 2 Qcumber (talk) 17:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done LexPro4 (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Belarus: Evgeny Perlin confirmed as commentator

Info from TVR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qcumber (talk • contribs) 19:32, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done LexPro4 (talk) 19:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Commentators of Israel and Estonia

Israel. Sharon Taicher and Eran Zarachowicz will commentate all shows KAN11. Source (I asked a person who speaks Hebrew and she confirmed that I got translation right).


Estonia. I can't find now exactly if Marko Reikop will be back to commentary box as Estonian commentator, But it's confirmed that Aleksandr Hobotov and Julia Kalenda will once again commentate this show in Russian on ETV+. Qcumber (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Qcumber:  Done —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 13:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

North Macedonian commentators

North Macedonia – Toni Cifrovski - Тони Цифровски (MRT 1, MRT 2, Macedonian radio, all shows) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.73.158 (talk) 15:24, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Please provide a reliable source. -- AxG / ✉  14:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Icelandic spokesperson

Jóhannes Haukur Jóhannesson https://www.ruv.is/frett/johannes-haukur-kynnir-stigin-i-eurovision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3hannes_Haukur_J%C3%B3hannesson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.177.217 (talk) 01:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 10:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Official Channels of Kan 11 in YouTube

All the three channels of Kan 11 in YouTube are official, and were intended to broadcast the accessibility, because the EBU did not permit interpreters on the stage. If you watch the Kan 11 channels on YouTube, you will see the official logo of Kan 11. Here you see the channel of the final contest. It would be opened in two days. Now it is closed. You may see that it has 285,000 subscribers.
Avoiding the YouTube channels in WP is against copyright violations, but these channels are fully official.
It is impossible to remove three sources, then put {{Unreferenced section}} template. The description of the clothes was intended to identify the five different Israeli interpreters. Dgw (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dorian Gray Wild: Nobody said that the Kan channels are not official. We just can't use YouTube as sources in WP. You have to find written articles and add them as sources. What I did is possible, but if no sources are added in a few days, I or someone else will remove the unsourced sections (the last two specifically).
"The description of the clothes was intended to identify the five different Israeli interpreters." Yeah, there's no need for that. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 21:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The relevent policy is here at Wikipedia:Video links: This page in a nutshell: Videos on user-submitted sites can sometimes be used as references or external links, but copyright infringement and unreliability will rule out the use of many of these videos. -- AxG / ✉  21:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As AxG wrote, there was nothing wrong with the YouTube channels which broadcast the contest in an accessible mode. It is not "user-submitted sites", because it broadcast the contest as is, without any additions or commentaries, except the accessibility itself. For now the opinions are 2 vs 1. Therefore nobody may remove the accessibility chapter. By the way, I did not know that the Israeli interpreters had to remain anonymous. The French television has already interviewed them. Dgw (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@AxG:, Deaf relates to people who are culturally Deaf, i.e. sign and share other cultural events, like the movie The Tribe for example. Hard of hearing relates to deaf people who prefer to talk than sign. It is explained in Deaf culture. Dgw (talk) 03:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have to look but I believe KAN's accessibility broadcasts were reported on by press in which case we can use here for sources. There was even an incident with one of the accessibility feeds during Semi-Final 1 while unique to Israel it relates to the "call to boycott" section. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 04:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When the press reports the channel, it does it briefly, as you may see here at minute 58:08. The video quality is worse, and no press would show a video of more than two hours. Only Kan 11 displays it. I know nothing about boycotts, and the contest is fully broadcast on these channels. Are not they accessible to you? It is the broadcast of yesterday (the second semi-final). Dgw (talk) 06:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dorian Gray Wild I found an English source from Jerusalem Post about Kan's accessibility feeds. I re-worded the section and integrated the source into it along with the article from Kan. This should elevate any souring issues. What I was talking about earlier was anti-Israeli hackers attacking the accessibility feeds to display anti-Israeli messages. I found English sources along with a reliable source in Hebrew and created a section about it under Incidents. I also included a section about where multiple broadcasters had issues with the broadcast of semi-final 1 around Europe. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Alucard 16, I saw your edit, and explained it in my edit summary: Tomer Levi was the leader of the accessibility project, which was paid by Edmond de Rothschild Group. Without Levi, there was not accessibility for blind people neither.
It is also clearly written in the Jerusalem post:
"The sign language interpretation is being provided by Sign Now, an initiative born out of the Edmond de Rothschild Foundation, through graduates of its leadership programming.
"Our sign language interpreters, who will lead the initiative, are practicing all of the Eurovision songs," the foundation told The Jerusalem Post this week."
May I know your answer about YouTube links? Is it proper to put the links of Kan 11 YouTube channels? Why does WP have this template {{YouTube|id=VIDEOID|title=TITLE}} if it is impossible to use it? Dgw (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dorian Gray Wild: My views about YouTube links in general line up with WP:YOUTUBE when it comes to the links to the channels themselves I don't think they would be suitable for Wikipedia as they are live stream only links from my understanding. As I'm in the United States these links are also geo-blocked to me and thus I'm unable to check them for myself. I hope this answers your question. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 10:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The links are not only live stream, because the video content is also reserved for further documentation. I am so sorry that the links are blocked. It makes them useless for the English WP. Tough luck. Dgw (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here is another link (not accessible). It is made by Eurovision Song Contest (not by "Kan"), 16 hours ago. Is it also blocked? Here is an explanation how to watch it. Dgw (talk) 11:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes all live stream links are geo-blocked for United States/Canada due to a rights issue. I have a way around it which I can't say here. Are you wanting to use the YouTube links as sources or link to them in the External Links section? If your wanting to use the contest as a source you can use {{cite episode}} instead. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a live stream. The broadcast ended 16 hours ago. I put it as external link. I hope it would not be deleted by another editor. Thank you, Dgw (talk) 12:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alucard 16, AxG, please see it. It is not accepted, especially not the "?" sign. We are three. He is one. There is nothing harmful with this link. Please see also this. It is not Israel. Israel is the Israeli singer (Kobi Marimi), the pre-contest in Israel (Rising Star (Israeli TV series)), Shalva band and Shabbat etc. Dgw (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dorian Gray Wild I'll have to re-read this discussion as I'm still not sure what the purpose of having the link to watch the second semi-final has to do with the article. I wasn't feeling very well last night. I'm in the process of starting a new section about the other edit you mentioned. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 02:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wish you will feel well. The link of the second semi final has 1,949,198 views since May 16, 2019. It is the regular link to Eurovision.tv, not to Kan. If you think that it is not needed, you may say it. Dgw (talk) 02:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BBC Cuts short semi-final 1?

Is it worth mentioning in the Incidents section the BBC cutting short the first semi-final because of technical problems? There are reliable sources to confirm this from several news outlets however is it notable enough to include it? C. 22468 Talk to me 15:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As it's something which relates to the viewing experience in United Kingdom alone, it seems to be very appropriate, and interesting, to the article focusing on UK-in Eurovision 2019. אומנות (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Against: I agree with אומנות. Better in the UK page. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 21:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The BBC has done this for years where they air their own produced shorts during the breaks designed for other broadcasters to take commercial breaks. For example 2016 while Europe saw "The Grey People" viewers in the UK saw a skit about Joe and Jack going on a tour of Sweden with Lynda Woodruff. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I'm aware there is no rhyme or reason as to why they do this unlike in the United States Logo TV was forced to air "The Grey People" from the first semi-final during Justin Timberlake's performance due to rights issues. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Alucard 16: That's not what Coolguy22468 is referring to, at the end of the results BBC Four cut to black and a minute late an apology caption was shown for the loss of picture.[1]. -- AxG / ✉  09:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@AxG: Ah I added that to the article because multiple broadcasters had issues with the semi-final 1 broadcast. I was unaware of this discussion when I added it. I don't think I added specific details from the UK but it is worth mentioning. See the section Eurovision Song Contest 2019#Semi-final 1 technical issues. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I expanded the UK example and added what Coolguy22468 asked about since the technical issues were not related exclusively to just the United Kingdom which merits inclusion on the main Eurovision page. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Danish entry language update

The Danish entry is currently listed as being in English & French. It is actually in English, French, Danish & German.[[2]]

Petoabys (talk) 21:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Petoabys:  Already done: It's written in the footnote (a little [f]) because these two languages are used in less than a verse each. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 21:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TVP is Polish broadcaster

In the section Semi-final 1 technical issues, it is written that TVP is the Portuguese broadcaster. It is the Polish one. Yoyo 360Wanna talk? 12:10, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoyo360:  Fixed —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 14:08, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

guest appearance by Quavo

Madonna is going to perform "Future" alongside Quavo. DuduB (talk) 13:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DuduB:  Already done Can't you see it? It's there since yesterday. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 14:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Madonna confirmation

Although Madonna's performance was initially confirmed in early April, it wasn't official until 16 May (source 1); prior to that, her appearance was in doubt through contractual issues. (source 2) — MouldyFox (talk) 14:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was officially confirmed yesterday so Madonna will appear at the Grand final Sammyham84 (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't doubting her appearance, just the details of how it came about. The interval acts paragraph begins with "On 8 April 2019, it was confirmed that Madonna will perform...", but mentions nothing of the doubt over her appearance, or precisely when it was official. I would have thought such details—the contractual concerns, etc.—were pertinent to the section. — MouldyFox (talk) 06:19, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see what you mean Mouldyfox the way it reads now someone would think that on April 8th that Madonna was on lock and the songs she was performing was already known. We did not know at that time Future would be one of the two songs. The bit about Madonna does need to be re-written or at the very least the date changed from April 8 to May 16. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Mouldyfox:  Done The date was changed and the text was changed to "confirmed by the EBU". —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 10:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Televote problems

There seem to have been severe problems with the televote during the 1st semifinal. For some numbers, people did not get through or received error messages. It seems to have affected mainly Portugal and Hungary. At the moment it's eveywhere in the Portuguese newspapers. There is even a petition on change.org to recount the votes or revote. --92.78.249.48 (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IP I found 1 source on this topic from Eurovoix so far if you could post some sources here about this topic it would be appreciated. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 02:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some, only in Portuguese, though:

https://www.cmjornal.pt/famosos/detalhe/fas-alertam-eurovisao-para-falhas-na-votacao-de-conan-osiris https://mag.sapo.pt/showbiz/artigos/justiceforconan-fas-indignados-com-a-eliminacao-de-conan-osiris-da-eurovisao https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/1253424/fas-indignados-dizem-nao-ter-conseguido-votar-em-conan-osiris https://www.informamais.pt/fas-com-problemas-na-hora-de-votar-em-conan-osiris-erros-estao-a-ser-reportados-a-chefe-de-delegacao/ In this tweet people are posting the error messages they received, but I fear that is not an accepted source: https://twitter.com/jonolasand/status/1128603695288078336 --92.78.249.48 (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If possible, English-language or international sources as Portuguese ones might not be objective because they wanted Portugal to qualify. And yes, Jon Ola's posts doesn't say anything; only the point difference between the countries in the 10th and 11th place. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 11:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is not in the twitter post itself, but people are posting the error messages beneath it as a comment. --92.78.249.48 (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I didn't read them. But yes, comments are obviously not sources. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 12:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing content from main article

Dimsar01 please explain this edit. I am fully aware that country specific issues or incidents should be placed on the country specific page (like the controversy surrounding Poland's music video). However the cyber attacks that were made to Kan's online broadcasts were reported on by English sources and affect this specific contest as the cyber attacks were done in opposition to the Eurovision Song Contest being hosted in Israel according to the sources. It ties in with the calls for boycott section in this article. Therefore it should be included in this article not Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 2019

Also you have a habit of removing stuff and stating in edit summaries that it should be moved somewhere else like in this edit above. If you feel it belongs somewhere else then be WP:BOLD and move it there or at least leave a message here on the talk page so the editor knows what you did and your reasoning. If it wasn't for Dorian Gray Wild pinging me in another discussion I would have not known what you did. I'm reverting your edit for now until a discussion and consensus is reached. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 02:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Alucard 16: As you said, I removed it because it's a country specific issue. In my opinion, it could be merged with the other section which is about problems in multiple countries. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 10:04, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spokespersons

Have every countries spokesperson for tonight not been announced? I see only 28. Regards.94.234.55.140 (talk) 07:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All the spokespersons were obviously revealed at yesterday night's second dress rehearsal. But if there isn't a source with a list of them we can't add them. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 10:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the spokespersons at the ESC 2018 article are unsourced still. So I see no problem in adding them all.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BabbaQ: All of them are sourced (check the reference above – https://eurovision.tv/story/spokespersons-grand-final-eurovision-2018). Plus, that's wrong and any unsourced content will be removed. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 12:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maltese spokesperson

Ben Camille, best known for presenting the 2016 Junior Eurovision Song Contest, is returning as the spokesperson for Malta in tonight's Eurovision final in Tel Aviv. – https://eurovoix.com/2019/05/18/malta-ben-camille-returns-as-eurovision-spokesperson/ Shiruba98 (talk) 14:39, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Sammyham84 (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Belarusian jury dismissal

I think this sounds like a good topic to be put in the "incidents" section. LexPro4 (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously; I have added it. —Dimsar01 Talk ⌚→ 16:27, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slovakia

Slovakia's RTVS are missing not "due to financial difficulties" - they are the state broadcaster and are not in financial difficulties.

It's just they don't want to spend the money on this competition, which is not "iconic" here in the same way as it is elsewhere, when there are other things to spend money on.

Can we change this to "for financial reasons" as that would also be better supported by the source given.

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