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Sources

Several sources were removed from the article (diff). Listing them below, as they can potentially be used to expand the article. North America1000 02:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Reason for adding my content

I have added my content because its valid to the article. Even though it is unsourced for now I am working on getting the sources properly in. In addition, the sentence about him pushing kids does not belong on the header because it's not true. IsraeliIdan (talk) 13:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is Wiki 101. The rubber-band ball isn't sourced and it's debatable if it's even relevant to this person who is known for being an aggressive ball hawk. When there's a source that makes the rubber-band ball notable feel free to add it to the page. Also, if the kid claim is untrue provide a valid source that proves it's not true. Until that happens please quit removing properly sourced information. I've added a rfc since the user is starting an edit war.Nemov (talk) 13:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
. It is relevant. But again debatable. Will source. Yes, he's a ball hawk but he's not pushing kids. Have the source will link it. I will put the correct info in the article and those are my reasons. However, will do so in two hours since I need to go somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zvikorn (talk • contribs) 14:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • The information on pushing people is reliably cited and valid for the lede Atlantic306 (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • No it's not. I am quoting him. "You can watch me for five minutes or five years and you will never see me move or push another kid out of the way to get a baseball, also I give a lot of my baseballs to kids at the stadium". Any source that reports this is fake and should not be included in Wikipedia. IsraeliIdan (talk) 10:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
His word is not good enough. You need to provide reliable sources that it is not true. Stop removing reliably sourced information that is pertinent to the article. ~ GB fan 10:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that he is banned from three stadiums is also sourced and needs to remain unless there are reliable sources that say the information is false. Please stop removing sourced content and inserting unsourced trivia. ~ GB fan 16:29, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He is not banned from three stadiums. He has done videos during the 17-19 season at more than 30 stadiums. Source: his channel. Any source that reports this is not true and should be included in Wikipedia. IsraeliIdan (talk) 10:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Once properly cited the content is valid, please work on finding the citations before adding content to a page. This will lead to less controversy and would make discussion much more to the point. Sixteensixtyfive (talk) 18:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That should settle this topic for now so I'll remove the RFC. Zvikorn, future edits must be supported with citations.Nemov (talk) 17:32, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am now reverting the false edits with sources.IsraeliIdan (talk) 10:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just because he has made it into a stadium does not mean he wasn't banned. He made it into the Fort Bragg game without being eligible to get a ticket. You need to provide a reliable source to show it is not true. We do not take your or his word for it. ~ GB fan 10:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
. FORT bragg is not an MLB stadium. ALso, he's not banned. Here is the source: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO_Ro3UG5WPqwtRjzgBQugQ

He has made videos at all stadiums this year. He wasn't kicked out once! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zvikorn (talk • contribs) 10:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a reliable source. ~ GB fan 10:16, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If VIDEO PROOF isnt reliable then what is? some fake news site? SUUUUURe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zvikorn (talk • contribs) 10:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say Fort Bragg was an MLB Stadium. You are using the fact that he has made videos in all the MLB parks as proof he is not banned. Just like he got into the Fort Bragg game without being eligible to get into it, he can possibly get into stadiums he is banned from. His ability to make a video in a stadium is not proof he isn't banned from a stadium. It is proof he went into the stadium that is all. You also claim he wasn't kicked out but do not provide a source for that fact. Even if he was not kicked out of any stadium, that does not prove he is not banned. All it proves is that he wasn't kicked out. We use what reliable sources say about someone to build the article. We do not use what we think to be true. Things will be much easier here when you come to understand that basic fact. ~ GB fan 12:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
IsraeliIdan, you really should research what is an acceptable source on Wikipedia. That should eliminate your confusion. A person's opinion isn't a reliable source that's Wiki rules. A person who is banned from a stadium could conceivably still be able to get into the stadium. His videos don't prove he's not banned. If he hasn't been banned there needs to be a notable source that disputes the claim. If you keep up these rogue edits we may request that you're locked out from this page.- Nemov (talk) 12:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Content should not be included until relevant sources are found. Would be smart to remove the content and re-add it when proper sources are found. PreacherBob55 (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Admins please read

until dispute can be solved I think the page should be locked. IsraeliIdan (talk) 10:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It should be and it should be locked at what it was before you started removing reliably sourced information and started adding unreliably sourced information. ~ GB fan 10:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What was before is not the truth. I have provided video sourcies. The sites are fake news and should not be included on wikipedia. IsraeliIdan (talk) 10:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please involve a different admin. IsraeliIdan (talk) 10:33, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The template on this section does not belong. That is what you would use to ask for an edit to an already protected article. THis article is not protected so it is a useless template. ~ GB fan 10:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't a dispute. There was RFC added and no one supported IsraeliIdan's edits. There could be a case that this user is locked from editing this page given the numerous unsourced edits to the page. The user has continued to make edits even though no one on the talk page has supported his claims. - Nemov (talk) 12:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nemov, there is a dispute, it is one against a few but it is still a dispute. ~ GB fan 13:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Zvikorn when you are unblocked, if you think this page still needs to be protected against updates you will need to request that at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ~ GB fan 13:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute over ban from 3 stadiums

Nowhere in the text of source 2 by Benjamin Chase is a stadium ban mentioned at all. The article links to a tweet in which a reply mentions the ban from three stadiums. I don't see how this is a proper source for the text in the lead section and "Criticism" sections of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.147.34 (talk) 06:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the issue here is that the page is receiving so many bad edits the proper sources are being removed. At some point myself or someone else can restore the source. This article mentions it: https://calltothepen.com/2017/06/21/mlb-ball-hawk-zack-hample-gets-roasted-on-twitter-after-complaining-about-clayton-kershaw/ as well as this FOX article https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-ballhawk-zack-hample-gets-roasted-on-twitter-after-complaining-about-clayton-kershaw-062117 If there's a dispute about it there needs to be a source. Nemov (talk) 17:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is no official article that disputes it. However, Hample was able to go to all 30 major league stadiums in 2018. If you look on his YouTube channel, you can see this. CrispyCream27 (Talk) 06:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What Hample is doing on a video isn't a source. If you have a valid source feel free to remove the cited information. What's he's doing on YouTube is irrelevant. Nemov (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
just because he visited a stadium does not mean he's not banned from that stadium. It just means he bought a ticket and stadium security didn't catch him on the way in. Which is not hard to imagine. JimKaatFan (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube

I understand the reasoning for putting back the "3 stadium ban" statement, but I don't see why we can't put a YouTube infobox and label him as a YouTuber aswell. CrispyCream27 (Talk) 17:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There were serveral edits after the first one so I just rolled it back to the last one before you started. I don't have an issue with the infobox. Nemov (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:00, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Thank you! CrispyCream27 (Talk) 18:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have an issue with it. That issue being, he's not known for being a youtuber, same as how he's not known for being an author, although he's apparently published two books. He's known for being a baseball collector. JimKaatFan (talk) 00:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you think there should be kind of mention of it? I mean, he has 400k+ subscribers and regularly produces content. CrispyCream27 (Talk) 01:00, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hample is known for being a ball hawk. That's what is notable about him. Is it notable that he has a YouTube page? I agree with JimKaatFan, it's not notable. Nemov (talk) 04:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, 400k subscribers doesn't even place him in the top 5000 youtube accounts (by number of subscribers), and it's not even close. #5000 in the list has 2.4 million subscribers. People can buy subscriber numbers anyway. 400k is not a big number, in this context. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:38, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JimKaatFan, @Nemov, If can add my 2 cents here, I think @CrispyCream27 is correct in wanting to add Hample's YouTube activity. Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article (WP:NOTEWORTHY). Thus, while Hample's YouTube page is not his claim to fame, and while he may not be a top youtuber, his activities on YouTube are significant enough to include them in his page. WannaBeEditor (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extended confirmed protection

This page has received a couple of semi-protection to aid with vandalism, but the page is still continuously receiving bad edits. The page needs stricter edit control to prevent so many poor edits. If this is the wrong kind of protection please advise the correct course of action. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 04:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nemov: This template is for requesting edits to pages that are already extended-protected. To request protection for a page, you can go to WP:Requests for page protection. You might also find WP:Protection policy useful. Alduin2000 (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Alduin2000:Thanks for the help. I read the documentation wrong and posted here. I have made the request and the protection has been extended. Nemov (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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