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I'm never wrong, don't bother trying to argue.

yeah right!

Feel free to disagree.

Let's Hear It

Sorry

Sorry about deleting stuff off my talk page, i'm new at this and figured after I read them I could get rid of them, and didn't see another way how to...How can I get rid of them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iturcotte (talk • contribs)

Guitar equipment

You rock, dude! It's awesome to finally get those articles under our roof. Replied to your e-mail also :) --Aguerriero (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a fellow admin that has more experience than I what the convention is for that sort of thing. A straight block will not stop him, since you can edit your Talk page when blocked. You can always count on a Russian when in need. ;) --Aguerriero (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I chimed in at AIN, for what it's worth. No response on recent project invites, but I think I will be able to get our newsletter delivered by bot next time. I am working on making the Guitar equipment task force page a proper task force page. Bear with me while under construction. :) --Aguerriero (talk) 17:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Brian May

I agree with your assessment. Ultimately, a totally free image will always win over a copyrighted fair use image, but the one we have there is already free. I also responded at the article that the image should illustrate the subject to casual browsers or weak English readers. Makes sense to me. I don't think he will find much support for randomly swapping out images to "passport photos". --Aguerriero (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christiane Amanpour

What's wrong with including Chritiane Amanpour to the list of folks who showed at the reunion. I think it speaks well of the band that the audience was a little more diverse than the flightly likes of Jude Law.

Wikipedia has too much fancruft as it is. The celebrity list can basically be reduced to 3 words: 'Celebrities were there' Anger22 18:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but while there were only pop culture vacants listed, I figured a contrast with someone such as Ms. Amanpour would help bolster some larger dynamic, less celebritic (hee hee).

Saw your note

On User:Aguerriero's talk page. I added the ip to the checkuser request. I think it will be a big help! Ekajati (yakity-yak) 19:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eavesdropper! :) Not sure what help it'll be. Whether convict/clear as long as some quality editing is the result, Wikipedia wins. Anger22

Yeah I'm not exactly sure how the checkuser tool works, but I'm sure the IP address will help them match everything up. --Aguerriero (talk) 21:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Popups

Popups are great, but you usually don't want to use the default summary for a reversion of something that's not vandalism, as you did here. Instead, just type a short explanation for why you are reverting into the summary box. Thanks! Λυδ α cιτγ 21:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When I have time, edit summaries are handy. Sometimes there is no time. Also, popups aren't just for vandalism(although they come in particularly handy for that) Cheers! Anger22 21:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, and it's no big deal, but I think it's better then to simply type "rv" alone, which is less insulting to a good-faith contributor. Λυδ α cιτγ 01:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I reverted some vandalism, then they hit again, and you reverted to my version, using popups. please can you tell me how this is done? Sounds like it would save me going through removing every use of the word 'fucking' by hand, from a vandalised page! thanks, raining girl 12:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image tagging for Image:TonyMac_CABpromoshot.png

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VandalProof login problems

Yes, yesterday afternoon was when it went wrong for me, too. I'l let you know if I find a fix. Regards, Mr Stephen 13:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Led Zeppelin/Progressive Rock

"Progressive rock (sometimes shortened to prog rock, prog, or progrock) is a subgenre of rock music which arose in the late 1960s, reached the peak of its popularity in the 1970s, and continues as a musical form to this day. Progressive rock artists reject the limitations of popular music and aspire to create music for serious listening, often aspiring to the sophistication of jazz and classical music, sometimes incorporating folk and world music influences in as well."

This is from the progressive rock article, and to me this is a perfect description of Led Zeppelin. Note the last sentence--that is Led Zeppelin in a nutshell. Think about songs like No Quarter, Kashmir, All My Love, Friends, In the Light, Carouselambra, Battle of Evermore, and even the lofty Stairway to Heaven incorporate a medieval theme...it doesn't get any more prog than that. You could argue that they are proto-prog, but one could also say they are proto-metal, and I think they are important enough to both genres to deserve to be classified with the genres proper. In fact, I would argue that Led Zeppelin is far better described as a progressive rock band than a metal one, or even a true blues band. People mistakenly think that in order to be a prog band you must use sythesizers in every song like Yes or Pink Floyd (although Zeppelin did use sythesizers many times, as in the songs I mentioned). Led Zeppelin incoporated musical ideas from every part of the globe and even used orchestral strings in Friends. Dume7 15:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't my place to butt in, but although Led Zeppelin were many of those things — "serious listening, often aspiring to the sophistication of jazz and classical music" is pushing it — they're better described as a versatile Hard rock band that had prog tendencies. Zeppelin visited prog rather than living it. Then they'd hightail it back to the land of the audience-pleasing amplified blues scale 4/4 that slobs like me enjoy. — edgarde 23:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VP2

if you can use IRC then we can get you set up with VP2 this is our channel irc://irc.freenode.net/vandalproof hop on if you can Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 23:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Im sorry VP2 is still in testing and you need to be in IRC for the approvals, and because a key to VP2 vpbot which is the heart of VP2 is an IRC bot and at the moment you have to communicate with it to gain access, we cant do it via mail. Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 00:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what version of Vp are you using? Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 00:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to VandalProof! 1.3

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Request

You seem to have gotten VP going again. I got the same links from Betacommand for VP 1.3, but I don't seem to be getting any executable files when I download. I am functional, but no genius when it comes to some computer things. I'd love a little more step-by-step to get the upgrade working if you have the time. I miss my Vandalproof. Cheers. Dina 14:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: couple o' questions

Mud puddles? Nah. I either explain my actions if I think I'm right, or I apologize and admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong. Comes with the territory. As far as Mattisse goes, she didn't really do anything wrong. There are legitimate uses for sockpuppets, one of them being to avoid wiki-stalkers. There are a fair number of editors following her around, scrutinizing her every move, which can get unnerving I'm sure. If she uses a sockpuppet to evade a block, or to stack a discussion in her favor, the admin position would typically be to block her again. You are probably learning now that there are a few hard policies here, and the rest of it is largely up to the judgment of the admin who is taking action. That's why admins go through the RfA process and have their judgment analyzed. In the end, sometimes it's just a big crapshoot - how something is handled can vary wildly by who handles it.

I don't usually work in AIV, but I happened to notice that day that entries were stacking up for at least 20-30 minutes, so I decided to clear it out. I think it's that time of day - early morning in the US/Canada probably means very few admins online. CAT:CSD piles up at that time also. I guess you'll have to keep an eye on my user page if vandal fighting attracts as much ire as you suggest. :) --Aguerriero (talk) 15:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

I knew I was missing something. I really appreciate it. Dina 17:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my UP. Hey your a great editor have you considered running for adimin.--Seadog ^{Please review me!} 03:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been prop'd by many editors/admins. I have, so far, declined. Maybe someday? Anger22 01:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Thanks for the welcome to the guitar gear team!

I've already been fairly active on relevant articles, notably all sorts of steel and slide guitar articles (about which I knew almost nothing beforehand, but I've learned heaps!), electronics and tremolo arms (about which I do claim some prior expertise) and some of the more obscure but important Fender guitars.

Looking forward to some great collaborations. Andrewa 22:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for welcoming me to the WikiProjects Guitarists. I did not know it existed but now that I do, I was able to make improvments to my Black Beauty site. Also thanks for noticing the site. I was surprised to see noone had made a site for the guitar before. --Midnight Rider 00:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page's "iconic" double neck Gibson

What would your word for it be? It is a guitar he popularized and of which he is a famous user. The use of this guitar is distinctively Page-like. The image of Page on this instrument is, in live performance, perhaps the most memorable feature of "Stairway To Heaven". I could give more examples, but you get where I'm going here, right?

What I want here is a way to indicate that this guitar is important how Page is known. Otherwise the caption basicly says "Page playing the electric guitar" ("Gibson double neck" being mostly interesting to guitarniks). I don't think the word iconic is inappropriate or POV here.

My first draft of that caption was Page iconic on Gibson doubleneck — I took that out because the irony in tone was ambiguous. Calling the artist "iconic" is I agree POV. But the artist coupled with that instrument really symbolizes Led Zeppelin and Mr. Page. — edgarde 22:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For an encyclopedia, adjectives are taboo. Iconic, legendary, virtuosic, bombastic, hilarious...whatever flowery poetic word you want to come up with, all add to 'unencyclopedic' overkill in the Wikipedia project. When I saw Led Zeppelin on their 1973 tour(twice) I saw Page onstage with the EDS-1275 and thought "Hey, he's playing a double-neck Gibson just like John McLaughlin". The picture in the infobox is actually not conforming to WP:FU right now either. It's a screen capture from TSRTS which means it should only be used in an article about the movie itself or it's not fair use. That policy could probably be shaded if the caption said "Jimmy Page in a scene from The Song Remains The Same". Any thoughts? Anger22 23:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the issue of image fair use you seem to know more than I, but I would imagine publicity shots can be used. Perhaps one can be found of Page playing mandolin or pedal steel.

I think a blanket condemnation on adjectives doesn't make sense. The reasonable goal here would be the elimination of subjective terms pushing disputable or meaningless assertions.

If you really think Page on the Gibson double neck playing "Stairway To Heaven" is not a distinctive and well-known image (regardless of whether other performers played the same instrument earlier) that people associate with Led Zeppelin, I'll defer to your more experienced judgement and greater knowledge on the subject. But I really think the adjective in question is appropriate here. — edgarde 23:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With or without an adjective, the image isn't fair-use where it's located without some sort of tie-in to the image source.(most photos are tagged improperly because it helps them "slip through the Wikipedia cracks") For example this photo [[Image:Jimmy Page b&w.jpg]] is tagged public domain??? It's pretty obvious that it has a "highly questionable" tag. It's a great picture...but someone's lifted it from a website and tagged it to slide in under the admin's watch. It'll be gone soon. If the Page screenshot isn't ref'd back to the source...it'll be rm'd too(which would be a shame because it's a good pic) Better to throw caution to the wind and caption it to the movie it was sourced from. That way, at least, it'll stick around for a while. A photo of Page playing an EDS-1275 from a Gibson catalogue(tagged and sourced correctly), could be captioned to specify the guitar being used. But to indicate "iconic" use would require a citation(one may exist in the article already) I have Tony Bacon's Illustrated Encyclpedia of Electric Guitars(great book!) and the section on the EDS-1275 makes no mention of Jimmy Page using one at all. The only guitarists mentioned specifically are Roger Chapman and Alex Lifeson. If an "iconic" quote could be found it could be used easily...if the source is added in. I will browse around myself and see if I can find something. Anger22 00:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inactive

Hey, feel free to move users to inactive if you think it's good timing. We don't have to have a vast inflated list of participants who don't actually edit guitarist articles. If they actually notice, they can move themselves back if they want. What do you think a good guideline is? Hasn't edited a guitarist article in 90 days? --Aguerriero (talk) 20:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I could agree with 60 days. Maybe we can put a note on their Talk page like "Just letting you know that you have been placed on the inactive list of WikiProject Guitarists members. If you'd like to get involved again - great! We'll see you back in the studio." You like? --Aguerriero (talk) 20:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ta-da Category:Unassessed guitarist articles. --Aguerriero (talk) 22:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm.. next steps. I think we should try to push some of our B articles to GA status, and focus on lengthy existing articles that are poorly sourced. You are right, it is HARD to find good information. Some of the academic sources I have access to, like Grove Music Online, are very light on articles about popular musicians. Can you give me some examples of fair use problems you have had? Are these articles where a free alternative was not available? --Aguerriero (talk) 14:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeesh, fair use has gotten really strict around here. It appears that the policy now states (or maybe it always stated) that if it possible to take a free photograph of someone, you can't use a copyrighted one. And if the photo just shows what they look like, it's not fair use. I don't know what else a photo does, but whatever. I would get involved, but I just don't have the time right now. I guess we will have to dig around for free images of guitarists. --Aguerriero (talk) 15:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guitarist lists

I would love to clean up List of artists who use Gibsons and make it more like the Telecaster article. What do you think? Also, Guitarist is just crap - we already have List of guitarists and there is almost nothing about what guitarists actually do. Any ideas? --Aguerriero (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted to the project talk page about all of our lists. Hopefully we can do something with them. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that many people are interested in discussing lists - most of the edits are just drive-by additions of "my favorite guitarist, dude!" I'm also discouraged by the fact that my FL nomination of List of Telecaster players has not gotten any votes. Even if no one votes against it, it has to get a minimum of 4 "support" votes to pass. Of course, none of us that have worked on the list can really vote for it. :) --Aguerriero (talk) 18:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, maybe you guys can vote on it. It doesn't really say anywhere that you can't. Hopefully some other project members notice as well. I just don't want to actively ask people to vote on it. --Aguerriero (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We're doing well - another editor has supported after we fixed his concerns. I think if they count my nomination as a support, we have the required 4 support votes. Hopefully we can get more, and hopefully no one opposes! --Aguerriero (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, actually I am trying to work on my master's coursework, emphasis on trying. --Aguerriero (talk) 22:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for supporting my RfA

Thank you for your support in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of (56/0/2). It was great to see so much kind support from such competent editors and administrators as commented on my RfA.

I know I have much reading to do before I'll feel comfortable enough to use some of the more powerful admin tools, so I'll get right to it.

Again, thanks; _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 13:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Persistency is a virtue....

....but I hope I'm not being annoying =). You up for a admin run now? --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 22:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine =). Keep up the awesome work! --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 03:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Black Sabbath

Noticed your call for help...made a revert and some discussion on the users talk page to encourage him to discuss his reasons for reverting etc... --Mattarata 18:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The editor in question has obviously ignored our attempts at civil discussion. I have warned him that if he makes one more wrong move, he'll get blocked. Either of you can revert him at Black Sabbath if you think it's appropriate - I'm staying out of it since I might have to block him. I'm off to play my 335 some more... --Aguerriero (talk) 01:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

White Dawg vandal

Heh, you're pretty quick on him. Good job. Pogo 17:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Rv

Don't mention it. Lately, my time on the Wiki has been extra limited and I'm glad I can do something positive when I'm on. ;)Best regards, PJM 00:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

message from Emperor Penguin vandal

Hi. I'm a frequent Wikipedia user. I just got a message that I changed the page about the Emperor Penguin and that I am a 'vandal'. I've done no such thing (and I kind of want an apology)!

So adding "They are the true rulers of Canada" to the article isn't vandalism???? I think it is. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Jones marital status

Not sure why you reverted my addition to Terry Jones' bio. It's a matter of public record that he is separated and has lived with his girlfriend for over a year. The current "he is married with two children" is misleading. It was not vandalism - I like Terry Jones very much, and wish him good luck with that hot Swedish totty.

re: Slowing down

I can't slow down - we have an encyclopedia to write! I work better when I identify the work that needs to be done "en masse" before starting on it, so I guess that's my reasoning for putting the template on all those equipment articles. I have found that there are a lot of people out there doing great work on guitar equipment articles that we can recruit for our project. --Aguerriero (talk) 14:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Message from multiple Megadeth vandal

the trivia of Tim commerford has been taken through IMDB and GOOGLE reaserch, i still trying to figure out how to cite sources, and i apolgize for the dave mustaine vandal, i thought sandbox meant any article could be changed for practice but the original article would be safe. i'm new to wikipeida.

I don't normally respond to multiple page blankers but I will AGF for now. Read WP:CITE for information regarding references. If you refrain from anymore vandalism I will try to assist. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 10:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for Jacques Cartier

That same user (68.149.145.223) inserted 'hi' randomly in another page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_chicken_or_the_egg

images

image

images

Image help req!!!

i'm trying to upload pics on to wiki, but it's still troublesome. I have already checked in wiki help and Wiki:Images, they have mentioned how to get pic from there sources but i still cant figure it out:

in the edit, i know if i want an image, i have to write: thumb|right|Example image caption.

the part which is in bold is what i dont know where i should get it from, i dont know what im supposed to type in there to get a certain images uploaded. I understand the rest of the stuff like alingment etc.

please advise and note i have alredy read the wiki:image help and im still unable to get images. Responce appreciated,Thank youChildishknack 07:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barney

Just to let you know VP is acting up again and reverts Barney to the Barney & Friends page. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Mattisse/Timmy12

Hello. Just letting you know that an RfC has been opened on Mattisse, here. As it provides strong circumstantial evidence that Timmy12 is a sockpuppet of Mattisse intentionally using two computers to evade checkuser, I thought you might want to comment. I don't really care what side you weigh in on, but I know you've been in a position to observe at least part of the situation and any view would be helpful. —Hanuman Das 10:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really have any comment. I expressed my views to Matisse directly about being a "useless tagger" instead of being an actual "editor". Since then any edits from her to pages on my watchlist have been actual edits....which is a very positive thing. As for Timmy12 my only real beef with that user was when I caught him adding an "importance" tag to one of the most notable and influential guitarists in the entire Jazz Fusion genre. An edit like that simply says: A) this user has no idea about the subject and shouldn't edit it... and B)that type of editor has no place on Wikipedia. Timmy12 trolled my user page to "scold" me about choosing sides. I only keep posts from legitimate "editors" so I removed it. In the post he told me that I was naive because I was young?. And...since I am 52...I took being called young as a compliment and left it at that. My AGF is strong as far as Wikipedia's policies/process go and if an RCU indicated no connection between the 2 then I am satisfied with Wikipedia's stance. Wikipedia is a unique experiment. There will always be good editors and there will always be trolls/vandals. Try to work with the positive aspects and, eventually, the negatives will just get bored and go away. Hopefully. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 20:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rob Halford MySpace fan group

Why did you delete the link that was added to Robs Wiki page directing people to his fan discussion group?

WP:EL frowns on myspace. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool...thanks for the info. I figured you being a Halford fan thete must have been another reason. Good to know. Ill be sure not to use MySpace links in wiki in the future :)

RfA thanks

Thank you for the extra feathers on my wings!

Thank you so much, Anger22, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 21:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks

Hi Anger22, and thanks very much for your support during my recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 64/0/0. I am grateful for the overwhelming support I received from the community, and hope I will continue to earn your trust as I expand my participation on Wikipedia. It goes without saying that if you ever need anything and I can help, please let me know. Wait, I guess it does go with saying. ; ) --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 22:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition

		The Guitarist Barnstar
		For your work on List of Telecaster players, which is now our first article to reach featured status. Awesome job! Aguerriero (talk) 17:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shiny new buttons

Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use.

~ trialsanderrors 06:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dalbury's RfA

My RfA passed with a tally of 71/1/0. Thank you very much for your support. I hope that my performance as an admin will not disappoint you. Please let me know if you see me doing anything inappropriate. -- Donald Albury 10:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

battle of normandy

thanks for fixing that battle of normandy article!

[User:71.249.95.231]

Is it time to finally block him? You did give him a "last warning" message, and he's been doing this for the past few weeks. Esn 07:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

Sorry about the vandilism-this is a school computer and the student use it for reaserch-there are some who just are going knowere in life and insist to vandilise everything they see. Thank you and also thank you for keeping Wiki a great source of information!

Secret project

Working on this to add to the project page: Template:WPGUITAR Tasks. What do you think? People could also place it on their user page or whatever using {{WPGUITAR Tasks}}. --Aguerriero (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, let me know if there's anything you want me to add to it, or you can add it. Lcnj was an interesting case, because he wasn't here to necessarily cause trouble or vandalize - but he had almost no idea of Wikipedia culture and what might not be acceptable. Those are always challenges to deal with, because you don't want to scare away a potentially good editor. I guess just as Dr. Suzuki believed that every child could learn music, I believe that everyone can learn to be a good editor. :) I like that Zappa quote - always felt that way about my old Gibson B-25, even though it's only a 3/4 size guitar. I guess a kid has to start somewhere. --Aguerriero (talk) 19:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Message from music vandal

I am a resident of new brunswick. the reason i "vandalised" the music of new brunswick article, is because i find it offensive as to how stereotyped the article is. i am going to put it up for deletion. it is horribly inaccurate, and sounds as though someone completely ignorant of what new brunswick is like, wrote the article. until it shows all, and i mean ALL, of the types of new brunswick has to offer, the page will be edited every time i sign on. people should do their research before writing on a topic like this. its sickening

I am a resident of NB as well.(at least part of the time) And have been a pro/semi-pro NB musician for over 35 years. I too am not overly impressed with that article. But rather than vandalise it....edit it. Because if you vandalise it anymore....you will be blocked. And every "156" IP that vandalises it will get blocked too. Editing gets you a lot further around here....try it for a change. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strat players

Well, Seadog.M.S. has made some progress at least - before he got to it, it was just a straight bulleted list. It's been deleted before too - someone deleted it in Dec 2005 with the reason "listcruft". We could have several featured lists when all is said and done - great morale booster for the project! --Aguerriero (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hmm, popups

I left you a question in your talk page under the popups heading, then saw this. sigh. now I don't know where would be best. oops! ;-) raining girl 12:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the link. very handy. raining girl 20:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

posting a photo on the RR page

Could you please offer some help on posting the photo for Randy? The photo that was most recently removed, was attempted by the actual photographer who took it in 1982. The rules for posting the photos seem a bit tricky, so any help would be appreciated.

Thank you D

Uploaders claiming ownership of photos is common. The RR page is a magnet for multiple "here today, gone tomorrow" sockpuppets attempting to put an improperly tagged image into the article. An image would be great! But Wikipedia's Fair Use policy must be maintained. A "true" photographer uploading his own images provides a great amount of detail as to who/where/when/what camera was used...how to contact them for conformation...their website(if applicable)...etc. Wikipedia is becoming very very strict with the image uploads. It's a safe bet that if a fair use photo hasn't appeared by now...one isn't likely to show up. Any one caught uploading an image and lying about where it came from...is likely to get permanently blocked. If you want to find a "free" photo of RR best to just keep checking Wiki-commons. One may show up there someday. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you, but in this case, he actually is the photographer. How can he get the details of the picture to you so we can make this one stick? It's not a matter of not knowing the details, as he has all the details, I think their is just confusion on how and what details need to be in place, and where to put them.

D

WP:FU and WP:IUP are 2 Wikipedia policies regarding "the rules" WP:IMAGE explains the how to's. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stubs, categories, jazz

Today, Maurice Lelaix (talk · contribs) went on a massive rampage of adding redundant categories to jazz guitarist articles. For example, if an article already was in Category:American jazz guitarists, he added Category:Jazz guitarists. I reverted a whole bunch of them, but there are tons. Sometimes I can't believe how many guitarist articles there are - we have our work cut out for us! --Aguerriero (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I stumbled on a massive group of articles all related to some indie studio in Omaha, Nebraska. None of it is notable, as far as I'm concerned, but I pretty much have to do a massive AfD if I want to delete them. I don't really have time. You are making good progress on the Gibson list - hopefully we can eventually bring all those lists up to standard! Getting them into Category:Lists of guitarists was a good start. Corralling cats and all that. I am currently obsessing about the stub category, because there are so many little guitarist articles with so much wrong. I am just clicking through the list, making sure they are asserting importance (deleting if not), making sure there are proper stub tags and categories, copyediting, putting our project banner on, and moving on. I sort of gave up arguing about the ugly colors - I figure as long as the information is in the article, readers are served and my time can be better spent improving content. I thought they were discussing changing the colors? --Aguerriero (talk) 18:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BOLD :) --Aguerriero (talk) 19:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome job so far on the Gibson list. One thing - if we will try to get this to WP:FL, we will need to do the web citations with {{cite web}}. See List of Telecaster players for how we did some of them. You basically have to put that template between the ref tags, and fill in whatever parameters you have, like publisher and accessdate. --Aguerriero (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Change

I am requesting a change on the canada flag page.

As early as 1700, the maple leaf served as a symbol of sex celebrating the nature and environment of what is now Canada. The maple leaf on the flag is a sugar maple

I want the word sex added to the above line. I have proof that the maple leave was also a symbol of sexual freedom in canada. I am a student at the university of windsor. This is a fact that many people do not wish to admit but true.

I have tried to add it myself but I only got harrassed and blocked. Please help me add this. I would not be this persistant if I did not belive it to be true.

Thanks Mike muddyib@yahoo.com

Any additions of such a dubious or controversial nature can be added if it has a valid citation. See WP:CITE or WP:V Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Metallica sales revert

Yeah, you are probably right... although I guess it comes down to what exactly is considered "heavy metal" these days - the unanswerable question. I was just working Megadeth's legacy section, and checked Metallica's page for a sales reference of the "Big Four" and saw that. But hey, I would still argue that Metallica is the most successful 'metal' band of all time (metal as we know it today, that is), but I know, no cite means no luck... \m/ Skeletor2112 12:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks man! As was semi-discussed on the metal project talk page, I really wanna start elevating some of these core metal articles, and Metallica should defenetly be one of those. After Deth I am aiming for Iron Maiden (a former featured article), but then Metallica for sure. As long as I can track down some interview sites, press releases, and album reviews (which shouldn't be too hard). The only place I can ever find worldwide sales info is on band's own pages or press releases, like Megadeth's "Behind the Music" press release just happens to mention 20 million worldwide, which is luck... I do have a pretty good Metallica biography book from the 1990's "Unbound" - i think? It shold make a good source for quotes and stuff.

BTW - I just changed my name to somthing less threatening - unless you are part of the Solar Federation, that is... ;) Its just that when I start to put articles up for review to the non-metal crowd, I want to make sure everything is unbiased. METAL! \m/ Skeletor2112 08:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article

Earlier, an anon added Robbie Robertson to the Tele list, and I figured that was probably a notable add so I went to find a citation instead of just deleting it. I found this interesting article about the influence of the Tele on Canadian musicians. Just thought you might like it. --Aguerriero (talk) 15:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I don't think that's being lazy. It's hard to get to everything, and we all prioritize whatever we like to do here. I don't much care for vandal-fighting, so I just focus on other things. It is challenging to determine who is a notable player. Is having an endorsement deal make them notable? Dunno... I was thinking about Jim Weider, who was Robertson's replacement in The Band. According to his web site, he is a "master of the classic telecaster guitar". Does that mean we should put him in the list? It says he has an endorsement from Fender, but he's not listed on their artist page. A lot to consider! --Aguerriero (talk) 16:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barney

Now VP is reverting it to Barney & Friends cast see here. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barney

I take you have seen Wikipedia:Long term abuse#Disney/Barney vandal. It says it started in May but I think it was going on before that and just not identified and I think the list should be longer. I'm not sure that they are a regular vandal but I think they believe the edits they make are valid. The person has never replied to anything left on any talk page with one exception. I saw a reply on a talk page once claiming to be from the users sister and that it was her younger, autistic brother making the edits. If you look at some of the edits they make it would be quite easy to believe they do have some sort of problem. As an example they will link to A Day at The Beach from Barney and the Backyard Gang without looking to see that it has nothing to do with Barney at all. It's the same thing with something like Hollywood Pictures, this is typical of the fixes that have to be made. Hope this helps a bit. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW

Changed my username. Good work on the Hellecaster guy's article! --Ars Scriptor (t) (formerly Aguerriero) 05:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the Latin word for arse is "GeorgeBush", but I have been wrong in the past... --Ars Scriptor (formerly Aguerriero) 03:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aw come on - that was at least a little bit funny. --Ars Scriptor 18:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scorpions

Do you honestly think that "Scorpions are a rock band" is proper english? Just say "my favorite band is Scorpions" to yourself a bunch of times and see how it sounds. Or just take a look at the bands' official website and see how often a "the" pops up before their name- [1]. It's not a matter of whether "the" should be included in the name of the article, it's how it's used in the article. Joeyramoney 19:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I won't argue it sounds odd. It's really just Wikipedia's rule that "the article subject's name is to be consistent throughout the article". Eagles page is a similar situation. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"the" is not part of the name, it's just proper grammar. that's why the band members themselves always use a "the" on the official website. it would make sense to consistently say 'the Scorpions'. see pixies or ramones. Joeyramoney 17:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your'e welcome!

Hi, no problem! I have a friend who has an "oversize" book about Gibbo's and who they were, and are associated with, I'll mail him to see if he still has it OK? Take care, cheers. Lion King 15:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, the List of Tele Players is superb - GOOD STUFF! Lion King

re: Steamroller vandal

Yeah I saw that. I did see that he has been blocked before, but I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt since it was over a year ago. I will keep an eye on his contributions. --Ars Scriptor 00:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Zabrak

I blocked for a month. We'll see what happens when/if he comes back. Thanks for the heads-up, I don't watch the personal attacks noticeboard. :) --Ars Scriptor 04:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dont revert my information

I edited Omaha Beach and I did it from our school, The information i put was correct and was not vandalism and I know that alot of people vadilized from this school, but the casualties of the Germans at omaha beach is not unknown, it is 1,200 so dont revert back to the last edit because the information is true. Thanks a citation/source would be required. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Im afraid i can't because i learned it in my wars class. --Thursdae 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]