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Intro

The lead paragraph is rather confusing; I'd delete the first mention of Gneisenau as it is easy to think that the latter was the lead ship of the class. Just move the link to the next mention of Gneisenau.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded it slightly, is it more clear now? Parsecboy (talk) 02:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine now.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Were there survivors or not?

In the Outcome section of the Battle of the Falkland Islands, it states:

Out of the 765 officers and men from the Scharnhorst, only 7 survived.

Which clearly conflicts with this article and the DYK mention out front. Who's right? --Cantthinkofausername 07:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

First, the figure of 765 officers and men is wrong; that figure is roughly the standard crew of a Scharnhorst class cruiser (38 officers and 726 enlisted men). As the squadron flagship, Scharnhorst carried an additional 80-odd officers and crew for the command staff. Second, that claim isn't sourced in the other article, and it is here (to quote Gröner: "All crew lost"). Parsecboy (talk) 13:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dreadnought?

Pardon the ignorance, but was this ship a Dreadnought? The article doesn't say, and the evidence is a little unclear... --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, dreadnoughts were "all-big-gun" warships (as a general rule of thumb, anything under 10 inches is categorized as medium caliber for warships). Parsecboy (talk) 19:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

False ship

"A squall prevented the Germans from discovering Monmouth, but she eventually capsized and sank at 20:18"

I think it was the Good Hope which sank undetected. Monmouth capsized at 21:58, after being shelled by Nürnberg. --Andreas (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The two ships left Devonport on 10 November and while en route to the Falkland Islands, they were joined by the armored cruisers Carnarvon, Kent, and Cornwall, the light cruisers Bristol and Glasgow, and Otranto."

Macedonia was the auxiliary cruiser, that has reached the Falklands with Sturdee, not the demoralized Otranto.--Andreas (talk) 11:29, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

visit to Siam

It currently claims that Scharnhorst visited "southwest asia", apparently in 1913, and the admiral met Chulalongkorn, the King of Siam. He died in 1910, so this part of the chronology would seem to be out of sequence or just plain wrong.Lathamibird (talk) 12:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]