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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 174.135.148.234 (talk) at 02:36, 17 December 2019 (→‎Dubious claims and POV). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Merge into podcast page

Since this page is pretty light on detail and since there's a page already for his podcast, shouldn't we merge this into Wine Library TV? Zimbardo Cookie Experiment 16:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly I don't know if the podcast merits an article. I see more benefit in drastically stubbifying that article and merging a few lines of content here. AgneCheese/Wine 16:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will defer to your judgment, as I'm not familiar enough with the podcast to know whether or not it's particularly noteworthy. In either case, a merge is a fine idea. The podcast page does seem wordy and full of trivia. Zimbardo Cookie Experiment 17:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Link to a review site

Hi,

Yesterday I deleted an external link from this article's page. It was a link to the page http://tilzy.tv/ . Specifically the tilzy-page on this article's topic. I came to the idea of deleting those links as such a link was also added to Ze Frank's wikipedia page, and I expected that there wouldn't be much new information on such an external site, as Ze Frank's show ended more than half a year ago.

I got a mail now by one of the founders of tilzy.tv. He explained to me relatively convincingly that he didn't post the link, and that he thinks of his site as adding extra information.

Whether or not we re-add this link should probably be based on Wikipedia:External_links.

I am actually not sure whether tilzy.tv is a 

Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, 
amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) 
or other reasons.

Does someone else know this site?

My main concern was, that there should be several sites that aggregate links to vlogs. Even several sites that aggregate links and add write a small review about them. So I wasn't sure whether tilzy.tv is in someway special or provided better information.

Could maybe someone post his/her opinion on that, so we can decided whether or not to include the links to tilzy.tv.

Thanks, -- JanCK (talk) 09:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I glean from WP:EL are that external links should be relevant and encyclopedic to the subject and in looking at the link I really don't see much benefit to the article in having it. Maybe Ze Frank but it serves little purpose in this one. AgneCheese/Wine 10:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Merge Clean Up

This article is pretty mixed up since the merge, so I started cleaning it up by changing the infobox from Television Show to Internet Celebrity. I also added his IMDb profile and removed his Cork'd profile since it seems redundant to the article. Now is the hard part... moving around the body of the article so it jives better as a Biography. Anyone want to help? Species5618 (talk) 22:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I would rate this low on all the wikis - wine, wine and food, and biography. (talk) 05:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.1.114 (talk) [reply]

This "article" is absolutely self promotion. This guy has just put himself on wikipedia - just look at the edits. In my opininion this article can be deleted as it is at least 75% selfpromotional. First link is an "interview" on his own site - ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.23.213.219 (talk) 13:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wine Library TV and celebrity guests

Just to say that I removed "Legendary Wine Importer" after the name Kermit Lynch, initially it was the capitals that caught my attention, then "legendary" definitely runs afoul of WP:NPOV, and then why say who this guy is when there are no descriptions for the others, apart from a couple at the end. To be consistent, I'm going to remove the "Super Bowl Winning NFL Head Coach" bit too. Listen, I'm from the UK, the only name I recognized was Gretsky's, I don't think that a lot of these people are household names and either you say who everybody is or you don't. And if you're curious, you can always click on a name to find out. Captain Screebo (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Self-Promoting Nonsense

Does this person need a wikipedia page? Shouldn't it at least try to sound like an encyclopedia. This is pure marketing and promotion.

I think he clearly meets notability for a biography criteria, so I think it would be a waste of time to try to delete this article.
Clear edit requests would be helpful to help us address the common problems of promotional content in this article. --Ronz (talk) 16:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition section moved from article for discussion

Moved from the article:

Vaynerchuk has been featured in The New York Times,[1] The Wall Street Journal,[2] GQ, and Time,[3] and has appeared on The Joe Rogan Experience, Late Night with Conan O'Brien and Ellen.[4]

In the 2000s, Vaynerchuk was described as "the first wine guru of the YouTube era",[5][6] "the wine world's new superstar",[7] and by Rob Newsom, a Washington State wine maker, "outside of Robert Parker, probably the most influential wine critic in the United States".[8] In 2003, Market Watch magazine awarded Gary Vaynerchuk its Market Watch Leader" award, making him its youngest recipient. In July 2009 Decanter ranked Vaynerchuk at #40 on "The Power List" ranking of the wine industry's individuals of influence, citing that he "represents the power of blogging".[9][10]

In 2011, The Wall Street Journal named Vaynerchuk to its list of Twitter's Small Business Big Shots and Bloomberg's Business Week named him to its list of 20 People Every Entrepreneur Should Follow.[11] In 2013, Vaynerchuk made the November cover of Inc. magazine in a feature on "How to Master the 4 Big Social-Media Platforms."[12]

In 2014, he was named to Fortune's 40 Under 40 and selected to judge the Miss America pageant. In 2015 he was named to Crain's New York Business 40 Under 40 and named to Inc.’s list of "Top 25 Social Media Keynote Speakers You Need to Know."[13] In 2016 Vaynerchuk was a judge for the Genius Awards.[14][15]

References

  1. ^ Rosen, Jan M. (2009-03-01). "Be It Twittering or Bloggin, Its all about marketing". The New York Times. Retrieved 2013-05-08.
  2. ^ Vanessa O'Connell (2006-08-25). "Ripe for Change: Wine Sales Thrive As Old Barriers Start to Crumble". Wall Street Journal.
  3. ^ Stein, Joel, TIME Magazine (2007-06-28). "Totally Uncorked". Time Inc.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  4. ^ tv.winelibrary.com "About Winelibrary TV". Retrieved 2007-02-24.
  5. ^ Steinberger, Mike, Slate (August 1, 2007). "Watch Me Drink!".{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  6. ^ Crosariol, Beppi, The Globe and Mail (January 23, 2008). "YouTube wine guru: A subtle hint of 'Big League Chew'". Toronto.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  7. ^ Foley, Stephen (2008-08-03). "Gary Vaynerchuk: The wine world's new superstar". London: The Independent.
  8. ^ Page, Karen & Dornenburg, Andrew, Washington Post (2008-01-30). "Suited for the Super Bowl". The Washington Post.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  9. ^ Decanter (July 2009). "The Power List", p.39
  10. ^ Lechmere, Adam, Decanter.com (June 1, 2009). "Power List 2009: Parker Gives Way to Constellation".{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  11. ^ Sarah E. Needleman (2011-06-28). "Twitter's Small-Business Big Shots". Wall Street Journal.
  12. ^ "How to Master the 4 Big Social-Media Platforms". Inc Magazine. Retrieved 26 October 2013.
  13. ^ "40 Under 40 | Crain's New York Business". www.crainsnewyork.com. Retrieved 2015-10-12.
  14. ^ Segal, David (November 2, 2013). "Riding the Hashtag in Social Media Marketing". New York Times.
  15. ^ Fussman, Cal. "Gary Vaynerchuk: What I've Learned". Esquire. Retrieved 4 December 2013.

Is any of this actually noteworthy and encyclopedic? At a glance, it all looks like promotion, none of the recognition appears notable, and the sources not independent. --Ronz (talk) 17:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leaders in social networks

It looks reliable. I'm not sure how much mention it is due, but I think it would be fine to note within the article. --Ronz (talk) 01:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Family

Leaving a note here for other editors to save some time. Namely, there aren't any reliable sources for Gary's family. While his own website says his wife's and kids' names, no reputable outlet supports that. 62.194.192.95 (talk) 23:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If they're not notable themselves, names of minors should not be included. The name of his wife and the number of children, properly verified, should be fine. --Ronz (talk) 23:41, 17 October 2019 (UTC) I couldn't find any reliable sources that support the existence of the wife and children. 62.194.192.95 (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious claims and POV

Some of the claims that appear dubious -- especially around "growing a family wine business from $3 million to $60 million in around 5-6 years (1998 to 2003)" are supported by a number of media sources. Among those are a staff article by two editors; one of which now appears to be the editor in chief of Business Insider. I've added that source but I'm curious if anyone else finds that claim, nonetheless, to be dubious. If so, it means Business Insider isn't reliable -- even when it's written by staff (two staff editors in this case, at the time). 62.194.192.95 (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further, what are the POV issues on this particular page? Should it "slam" him for telling some college students to quit and start a company? Or does that present the same non-neutral point of view problems Wikipedia attempts to resolve in the first place? 62.194.192.95 (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help. Even in the wine industry, $3 to $60 mil seems a stretch. Still, the ref looks okay, and is the type of info that I'd expect to be fact-checked.
Identifying the authors for all the references would help with article review (publication date, etc too). Removing/replacing further contributor-authored refs, and anything similar would help.
Are any of the refs an actual in-depth biography? --Ronz (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Latest well-checked biography is at [2] 174.47.44.231 (talk) 22:17, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The original list of awards is wine heavy and not big. The one though work plucking out to add to the page is Crain's 40 under 40. Perhaps other editors see differently or see other ones from the original list that make sense. 174.47.44.231 (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We're already using the NYTimes article you mention. Seems like it could be used further --Ronz (talk) 00:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's worth re-reading, then, it sounds like from listening to your comment. What are your thoughts on the Crain's 40 Under 40 award? It doesn't have it's own page, but naturally Crain's does. 75.104.68.218 (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Separately that "COI" flag doesn't quite fit. If it serves as a "penalty" of sorts for awhile that makes sense. But better served Wikipedia would be without it and without any conflicted content included. There's the whole awards section that's now deleted -- or better stated -- removed to the Talk Page section above. Crain's might be the one award to actually add back.

But what else is offensive and causing the conflict flag, Ronz? Curious. 75.104.68.218 (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are there independent sources demonstrating the award is noteworthy?
UDP tag, per the consistent sock/spa activity[3]
The ip and WP:SPA activity with this article is a huge problem. I've been unable to keep up with it, and I don't believe anyone else has either. --Ronz (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Like any flag, the focus should be on fixing the problem. The problem was or is promotion or advertising content. Flagging purely because there is or are IP editors once in a blue doesn't make any sense nor does it meet any of Wikipedia's guidelines. If there's a reason to cut out all IP editors (most of which go to see Gary speak just like I have four times) then up the protection level on the page. But even the requirements to do that on the page aren't met. 174.135.148.234 (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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