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January 10

Internal freedom of movement in 20th century right-wing authoritarian and totalitarian regimes?

Just how much internal freedom of movement was there in 20th century right-wing authoritarian and totalitarian regimes? For instance, if a person in the Italian countryside wanted to move to Rome or Turin or Milan under Mussolini's rule or a person in the Hungarian countryside wanted to move to Budapest under Horthy's rule or a (non-persecuted) person in the German countryside wanted to move to Berlin or the Ruhr in the Nazi era, just how easy would it have been for all of them to do this?

I know that there was a propiska system in the Soviet Union and possibly other Communist countries that severely restricted internal freedom of movement in those countries under Communist rule, but I was wondering if there was ever anything similar to this in right-wing authoritarian and totalitarian regimes in the 20th century.

Anyway, any thoughts on this? Futurist110 (talk) 00:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Internal passport doesn't mention those countries, although given the state of that article, I don't think that can be taken as evidence that they didn't have any such restrictions. Iapetus (talk) 10:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Internal exile was used extensively, particularly against dissident intellectuals, under Mussolini (e.g. Carlo Levi and Curzio Malaparte) but I have no idea whether there were restrictions on regular folks moving around the country. --Xuxl (talk) 13:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In Nazi Germany, freedom of movement seems to have been restricted only for Jewish people. "Non-Germans" Under the Third Reich (pp. 170-171) says that the first restriction came on 28 November 1938 but was only applied in Berlin where it was used to exclude Jews from main streets and squares. By the end of 1939, Jews were banned from driving and from going out at night. On 1 September 1941, new regulations confined Jews to their local communities, unless they had a police permit to use public transport under strict conditions. In October they were banned from using the long-distance postbuses. From March 1942, a permit was required for journeys of more than 7 km (5 km for schoolchildren) within their own community. However, mass deportations began in late 1941, so these restrictions became somewhat academic. Alansplodge (talk) 19:17, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK we had our very own Exclusion orders in various Prevention of Terrorism Acts, which allowed us to prevent people from coming to the UK mainland. -- Q Chris (talk) 13:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 12

Milsom

Who is Consul Milsom mentioned here?KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is an E. L. G. Milsom listed as US Consul for Béni Saf in French Algeria, in Uncle Sam Abroad By J. E. Conner (1900) (about ¾ the way down under "Appendix - CONSULAR SERVICE"). Also Register containing a list of persons employed in the department and in the diplomatic, consular and territorial service of the United States, with maps showing where the ministers and consuls are resident abroad : also a list of the diplomatic officers and consuls of foreign countries resident within the United States (1892) p. 16 has his start date in Béni Saf as April 27, 1891. Not sure if this is the same bloke, but its not a common surname and the ability to speak French would be required for a posting either in the French Pacific islands or Algeria. Alansplodge (talk) 14:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I accessed the The Log of an Island Wanderer at archive.org (I couldn't view any text at Google books) and the author is talking about one "W. H. Milsom, Esq.", British Consul in Papeete. There's quite a bit more on this Milsom there. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:47, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! The first mention of him is on page 93: "a man of the very mildest type" (if you click "See other formats" you get a searchable page-view screen which is much easier to navigate). Alansplodge (talk) 14:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When was Milsom Consul in Papeete, Tahiti? And when was Robert Teesdale Simon (here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2019_December_23#British_consul_of_Tahiti_sent_to_Raiatea) Consul in Tahiti? Trying to understand who was the British Consul during the time of the annexation of the Leeward Islands from 1887 to 1897. And if both then when each served? KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not so. If we were to trust Edwin Pallander, they'd rather been both served - for dinner, in the shape of two well roasted "long pigs", following EP's expression. The name of Milsom will have been used for a satirical representation of Simon in The Log of (..). See, for a reference EricR's first link in that previous discussion you referred to. There is not in it any mention of a diplomatic expedition involving both naval force display and a consul named Milson. Neither Edwin Pallander's tale is presented as that of a whistle-blower. --Askedonty (talk) 07:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So Milsom refers to Simons? KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 13

New Calvary Cemetery in Queens NY

Was the Long Island Expressway built over the new Calvary cemetery? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VMKehuna (talk • contribs) 01:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I pasted your question into the Google search bar and found Forgotten New York - CALVARY CEMETERY which says: "The original Calvary Cemetery lies between the Long Island Expressway (formerly Borden Avenue), Greenpoint Avenue and 37th Street, Review Avenue and Laurel Hill Boulevard. New Calvary, in three divisions, is west of 58th Street (formerly Betts Avenue) from Queens Boulevard south to 55th Avenue. Smaller, pre-existing cemeteries were part of the original acreage, and were then surrounded by Calvary". Hopefully that makes sense - I've never been to New York (but it's on the list!). Alansplodge (talk) 17:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for the architect of my old school

I recently added a photo of my old school; Leyton County High School for Boys, now Leyton Sixth Form College to our article and was hoping to find out who the architect of this 1929 building was, but not having any luck. Can anyone do better please? Also, how would you describe the architectural style? Alansplodge (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A good bet would be the Essex County Architect from 1920-1945, one John Stuart, St George's Hospital, Havering was one of his. DuncanHill (talk) 17:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, well done Duncan. It certainly looks to be out of the same stable. Alansplodge (talk) 17:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about style? Stripped Classicism perhaps? Alansplodge (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)He was the education architect for the West Riding before going to Essex, according to this. I'm not sure where the archives would have ended up - Essex, Waltham Forest, or Greater London - but one at least of them should have records for the construction of the school. You may have tried already, but in your position I would be inclined to write to the VIth Form and ask if they know anything. DuncanHill (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As for style, I don't know what it's called but it's very "late 20s/early 30s municipal". DuncanHill (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it has a slight air of Albert Speer about it. Thanks for your input. Alansplodge (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think first stop will be the Essex Record Office. Alansplodge (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're adding this to the article bear in mind you're supposed to be able to cite a reliable source that other readers can check.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:09, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Shantavira; I have given up hope of including this in the article, it's just personal interest now unless something published comes to light. Alansplodge (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Alansplodge: - can you access the British Newspaper Archive, perhaps through your local library? There are local newspaper reports of the opening which might have more, and I expect with a bit more searching you might find reports of the council approving or building the school. DuncanHill (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll give it a bash. Alansplodge (talk) 22:09, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

...erected under the supervision of the County Architect, Mr. John Stuart, F.R.I.B.A "Prince of Wales at Leyton". Essex Newsman. November 30, 1929. email for PDF, good find DuncanHill.—eric 22:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks DuncanHill and eric, it can go in the article now. Alansplodge (talk) 22:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

January 14

J. Inder Burns

J. Inder Burns (Q80216545) was a cartoonist (for Punch, among others) and illustrator. I know he was working in 1913 and 1931, but I can't find a death date. A possible candidate is [1], but I can't find anything to tie that record to the former. Can anyone help, and provide reliable sources, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I ran her through ProQuest without any luck (only hits are illustration credits), but my library only has a very general British newspaper database. No Times archive account, for example. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's a hit for "burns, john inder" 1886 punch in The dictionary of 19th century British book illustrators and caricaturists but not when i try adding years c. 1958. May not have a DOD and can't find any online snippets that would let you know how complete the entries are. Might be worth a request at WP:RX or maybe in a nearby library.—eric 14:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

F. J. Mears

Can we source any additional info (name, dates, military record) on F. J. Mears an artist and former WWI solder who was at "Fern Villa, Markenfield Road, Guildford, Surrey", probably circa 1920? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see "metal worker" in the article, "SOLDIER'S PICTURES BOUGHT BY DUKES AND DUCHESSES". Nottingham Journal. May 7, 1920.
In The Year's Art 1921-4: "Mears, F. J., 13 Windmill-st., Tottenham-crt.-rd., W.I"
Comments here suggest the address is connected to Frederick (James?) Mears. And some more suggestions for military records, ~~possible portrait~~ The medal card mentioned in the thread.
Cohen, David (2002). "War Art : Gunner F J Mears, Royal Garrison Artillery". Stand To! (63). listed here

—eric 13:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'll follow these up, but to be clear, the "possible portrait" is not Mears; it's Gustave Caillebotte's Portrait de Georges Roman, painted in 1879. [2]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, 'Rouge Hill' is a work by Mears. It's annoying not to find "Art genius who paints in a garret." Far as i can tell all the web sources postdate this catalogue 2012-13 Stephen Ongpin Fine Art.—eric 15:25, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, there's this this in 2003 from Cohen, author of the Stand To! article. Daily News (UK) became Daily News and Leader[3] in 1912, Cohen says it was from a "cutting".—eric 16:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cecil, H.; Liddle, P. (2016). Facing Armageddon: The First World War Experienced. has quotes from "E. J. Mears", footnotes not in preview and waitlisted at Archive, ~~he is probably just citing Cohen tho.~~ nope, cite is The Daily News, 7 May 1920. IWM Art Dept. nos.6023, 5855.—eric 16:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 17

The US President's power to unilaterally abrogate treaties?

Does the US President actually have the power to unilaterally abrogate treaties that have already been ratified by two-thirds of the US Senate? Futurist110 (talk) 03:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to Treaty Clause, that's an open question. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sworn Enemies

There is a picture in the article promiscuity showing Donald and Bill together. The picture appears to me to be informal, at a BBQ or the like. It looks like it was taken in a kitchen, while there are other sin the shot and people in the background, Donald is looking much younger, as is Melania. My question is, when was his taken and under what circumstances, I would have though that these chaps were sworn enemies. Q2. When did the amicable relationship erode between the two, or am I holistically misinformed? Thanks. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 09:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]