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  1. Simonm223 (talk) 19:08, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hob Gadling (talk) 05:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  3. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:29, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  11. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  13. A Dolphin (squeek?) 15:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Legacypac (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Nazi ideology is an ongoing contemporary problem worth recognizing and addressing. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  16. ―Susmuffin Talk 17:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  17. –dlthewave ☎ 23:06, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Free speech

This section "That the concept of free speech entails freedom to post race, gender, or identity-based slurs, insults, or promotion and glorification of violence, without any consequence whatsoever, and that any consequence brought upon them is an act of censorship." is not a belief that only racists believe. And this belief is not racist. Anarchists also believes that for example. So that's like a personal attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.175.163.63 (talk) 05:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No. You do not get to use cries of "but muh freeze peach" as an excuse to be an asshole. Only assholes think this way. Anarchists (of which I am one!) do not believe this. Anarchists believe that all actions have consequences, including - and especially - speech. You may want to actually learn what the word means and what the philosophy entails.--Jorm (talk) 05:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, but either way, the belief that this section describes isn't racist. It's a belief that racists have sometimes, but this belief in itself isn't racist. That's a stupid belief, but we banning people just for stupid beliefs is wrong. That's not just racists that have this belief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.175.166.175 (talk) 19:23, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We wouldn't be banning people for being free-speech absolutist libertarian assholes. But we would certainly be disregarding that as a defense for racist imagery, and would describe anyone using that argument to defend someone who shares racist imagery as defending racism. Furthermore, Wikipedia is absolutely not an environment of unrestricted free speech. We have all kinds of rules about what you can say when and where. If you aren't satisfied with that state of affairs, perhaps this isn't the project for you. Simonm223 (talk) 13:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And furthermore, XKCD: Free speech Bishonen | talk 22:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Large majority of crimes

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The "No Nazis" page states the following as a core belief of racists, "That a large majority of crimes are committed by non-whites." That is not a racist belief; it is a obvious consequence of demographics. Whites make up about 11% of the population of the world. Of course non-whites commit "a large majority of crimes"; they make up the overwhelming majority of people.

What the essay writer probably meant to say was that "a disproportionate amount of crimes are committed by non-whites" is a common racist belief. Or maybe he or she intended this essay to only apply to a specific nation with a large white majority. Either way, that part of the essay should be changed. As it stands, it comes across as nonsensical. Carl Henderson (talk) 02:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Race and Intelligence

Is it racist to make a statement such as "White average IQ has been found to be higher than Black average IQ"? This is an active topic of debate in academic circles, Charles Murray has discussed racial differences in IQ, and Wikipedia's own article on this subject states that "there have been observed differences between average IQ scores of different population groups". I think it is completely false (and racist) to say something like "literally all white people are smarter than literally all brown people", but that's not what social scientists like Murray and Herrnstein are saying. This should probably be clarified, there was a case where college students committed acts of violence against Murray because they thought he was someone who he wasn't. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/us/middlebury-college-charles-murray-bell-curve.html Drbogatyr (talk)

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