Talk:Hyperion (Titan)

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Poor old Hyperion. No one has come looking for you.But Hamlet kept yacking on about you so i did. G

  • Hyperion was also the name of the main BattleCrusier in StarCraft :) Ghostalker
Put that on Hyperion rather than on this page. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 18:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The ARM planet on Total A is called Empyrian, not Hyperion. I don't feel proud about knowing this.

God of observation? I've not heard that before.

The article claims that Hyperion was regarded as the "god of observation" along with Theia as a "goddess of sight". I have not found any reference to this any any book on mythology or Greek religion that I own. I very much doubt that this is true. The Prime Source 22:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Dale[reply]

Maybe related to the etymology of his name, from Hyper- meaning "over"? As in "overseeing"? --Krsont 13:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Theia is the Goddess of sight?

I very much doubt that Theia was ever thought to be a goddess of sight in the ancient world and unless any evidence that this is the case is given then this statement should be removed. The Prime Source 20:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)Dale[reply]

Hyperion in fiction, is it necessary on this page?

I think it has come to the point where this section is no longer necessary. Similar situations has arisen for many other pages on minor Greek deities where there has been some debate over whether a section should be included in the mythology article about fiction, or if this should be moved to the disambiguation page. In most of these cases the editors of the articles have decided to move the fictional references to the disambiguation page to make the article more focused and less cluttered. In this case I see no reason why not to do the same. Here is my reasoning:

  • 1. Half of the items (8/16) in this section already have their own pages and appear on the disambiguation page.
  • 2. Most of these references listed on this page seem to have minimal importance. For example, knowing that in Act 4, Scene 3 of Hamlet, Shakespeare referenced Hyperion does not provide any information about the play and is simply useless information. Writers make references to ancient deities like Hyperion all the time; this particular example is no exception. In this case it was probably included because of the renown associated with Shakespeare and Hamlet.
  • 3. This section has essentially nothing to do with the Titan Hyperion, except that it was the namesake for these references.
  • 4. Without this section the article would be more concise, encyclopedic and less cluttered.

I suggest two solutions to solve this problem:

  • 1. Remove the entire "Fiction inspired by or connected to Hyperion" section
  • 2. Move all the important and valuable references to the disambiguation page for

If there are no objections I will carry this out over the next week. Thanks, --France3470 02:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I came to this site looking for Hyperion in post -classical writing: as the piece says now, there is very little to write about Hyperion as a figure in classical myth. But he inspired two long poems by Keats and Hölderlin. That seems to be at least worth mentioning? Worth explaining? 122.162.135.101 (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperion's etymology

Hyperion is related to the Greek root word "hyper", meaning "over", "above", or "excessive". The root word carried itself over into English as a prefix, and is seen in words such as "Hyperbole" (an over-statement), "Hyperactivity" (excessive amounts of energy), and "Hyperventilation" (overbreathing), among many others. This should probably be added to the article, especially because the article gives the impression that Hyperion has no purpose within Greek mythology or otherwise. 24.15.53.225 (talk) 05:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Useless trivia tarnishing the Wikipedia ideal

Just a personal appeal to Wikipedians to please desist from posting useless and uninteresting trivia. The trivia section of this entry is a great example of how the Wikipedia ideal is being tarnished beyond redemption through the inclusion of such irrelevent nonsense. It weakens Wikipedia enormously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.16.85.59 (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fact of the matter is, trivia sections are already a violation of Wikipedia's own rules about original research. That is sufficient reason in itself to delete them on sight. Very little in a trivia section can ever be found in any sort of secondary literature.Ekwos (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed the trivia section again for lack of any sources and for being original research. If you want to include the trivia section so badly, at least find reliable secondary sources for everything.Ekwos (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperion's consort

It should be added that Hyperion's consort was said to be Theia.

ICE77 (talk) 04:32, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Son of Hyperion?

The article says "the Sun is once in each work called Hyperionides (περίδής) 'son of Hyperion'" - but the Greek there only says "perides". Has this been misedited, or is there a reason for the mismatch? -DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 11:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move: Hyperion (mythology) → Hyperion

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: articles not moved. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 20:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


– per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The Titan got 199,000 page views in the last 90 days, compared to 28,000 for the Simmons novel, 13,000 for the comic book characters, 9,400 for the moon of Saturn, 7,600 for Hyperion Books, 6,700 for the Keats' poem, 4,700 for Hyperion Power Generation, 3,300 for Hyperion Entertainment, 2,500 for the Hölderlin novel, 2,300 for Hyperion Records, 1,900 for the computer, 350 for Oracle Hyperion, and 220 for the journal. That's 199349/(27863+ 13291+9350+7611+6773+4745+ 3250+2517+2305+1930+351+220+199349), or 71 percent, for the Titan. Kauffner (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • Oppose. Way too many other uses; together it looks like they add up to a number comparable to the pagehits for the Titan. Powers T 03:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not sure if you read the above, but Titan: 199,000 views, other uses: 59,800 views, so not really comparable. A large enough gap, perhaps, for the Titan to be considered the primary topic. I♦A 10:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Considering Kauffner added to the list after I posted, no I didn't read "the above". Regardless, there are dozens of items on the disambiguation page (not just the handful Kauffner cataloged), and the prominence of the Saturnian moon in particular (despite the disparity in pageviews) means I just can't support this being the primary topic. Powers T 15:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that I originally made up the list based more on what topics come up when you google Hyperion than on the DAB. Anyway, I've upgraded it, so it is pretty comprehensive now. Kauffner (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose the moon is also highly likely from an educational point of view, and the poem. 70.24.251.71 (talk) 05:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The educational value exception was adopted to make it easier to designate an educational topic as primary. Here you turn it upside down and use it as reason not to designated any topic, educational or not, as primary. It doesn't seem that there is any issue of making either the moon or the poem primary. If that is the case, then this proposal has no effect on those articles. Kauffner (talk) 10:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hyperion for a movie

Greetings:

I'm only posting this in the "NEW SECTION" because I don't know how to comment on a WIKIPEDIA subject, and I don't want my entry to accidentally erase and/or interfere with information that's already posted.

I think this is the first time I've ever posted anything at a WIKIPEDIA web site.

So, if I'm doing this incorrectly, I hope someone will let me know.

Until yesterday, Saturday 02 June 2012, I had never heard of "HYPERION".

That was when I watched a 1974 WALT DISNEY movie, "THE ISLAND AT THE TOP OF THE WORLD", at the YOU TUBE web site.

In that movie, the airship is named, "HYPERION", and seeing that, piqued my interest in learning more.

WIKIPEDIA will not permit me to include the movie's URL in this post, so you'll have to research it for yourself.

However, here is a hint:

The 1974 WALT DISNEY movie, "THE ISLAND AT THE TOP OF THE WORLD", was posted at the YOU TUBE web site on Saturday 19 November 2011 by "CRYOSTATION"

By the way, I truly enjoyed watching that movie, and can highly recommend it for others.

Thank you.

John Robert Mallernee (talk) 15:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

John Robert Mallernee Armed Forces Retirement Home Gulfport, Mississippi 39507

Epidus bow redirect

Why does the Epidus bow redirect here if there is no mention of it on the page? I for one become very frustrated when a subject redirects and is not mentioned on the page. Andrew Watts (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.55.198 (talk) [reply]

Did Hyperion have any Roman/Latin names?

Or was Sol always the only solar deity?--JaredMithrandir (talk) 19:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's still "Hyperion" in latin sources. There's no known analogue in roman mythology (which have little on the geneology of gods in general, prior to syncretism with greek myths anyways), though Emperor Julian appearently incorporated him in his version of Neoplatonism (see main article).(talk) 01:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference to Hyperion in the Titanomachy

The article says "There is little to no reference to Hyperion during the Titanomachy". If that is the case, what is mentioned about him?

ICE77 (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 March 2020

– The titan has more longterm significance, and is the source of the names of most other usages of "Hyperion" including the moon. It also has, by and large, the most pageviews. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • The moon was a nameless rock until it was named Hyperion in 1847 - long after the mythical titan's name was thought up. Saying the moon has more longterm significance because it existed longer is a fallacy.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't suggesting that. I was suggesting that Longfellow's novel and Keats' poem also have long-term significance, among others. The difficulty here, as far as WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY goes, is that "a topic may have principal relevance for a specific group of people ... but not be the primary meaning among a general audience". I doubt the titan is actually the primary meaning for most people. 85.238.91.68 (talk) 07:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the namesake of so many topics is obviously PRIMARY for long-term significance. While some of the topics on the DAB have been around for a long time, this is clearly the "longest"-term significant one. -- Netoholic @ 09:46, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I generally agree that gods and goddesses should be primary over their namesakes, although I note that I've been pretty consistently outvoted on this principle. P Aculeius (talk) 15:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per views of the novel, also the moon gets around a third of the vies[[1]]. Also although others might derive from the god, the moon is also important and like the Boston example the other uses aren't conceptual that WP:DABCONCEPT would likely apply, also most of the planets are primary like Jupiter are primary, the exception of Mercury probably mainly due to the element. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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