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Bar Chart

I would like to change the bar chart "COVID-19 cases in Italy" the one with the columns extending horizontally each day with the cases, recoveries, and deaths. All the country pages have that. And it bothers me so much that a tiny little change in presentation could be so much more informative. The columns should start with existing cases, not with the deaths and recoveries, that way you can graphically see what really matters first: existing cases. Then on top of that you put the recoveries and the deaths. I would just do that, but I can't find where these graphs are defined. There is some template for it, some macro, but I don't even see where that is in the page in edit mode. Gschadow (talk) 15:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I figured it out, there is V, T, and E links on top of the box after the title Gschadow (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gshadow: No. The relevant piece of information for statistics is the amount of total cases, not the amount of current cases. Please refrain to implement your edit if consensus is not reached. --Ritchie92 (talk) 16:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie92: If you are worried about the load on the health care system, the number of current cases is very important, and it would be more informative to put that as the first item in the bar chart. The height of the bar (i.e. the total number of cases) will be the same no matter which order the three components are placed on the bar. --rv8 (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are the maps correct?

This morning the health authorities in Sweden states that there is ongoing virus spread in Alto Adige/Trentino and Aosta valley. According to the maps (and table), there is not even one case in Aosta. What is correct here? Wikipedia – or authorities abroad? :) Fomalhaut76 (talk) 10:09, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The latest official bulletin by Italian authorities has zero cases in Aosta Valley, 4 in Trento, and 1 in Südtirol. --Ritchie92 (talk) 10:18, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot! Fomalhaut76 (talk) 10:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I very much doubt that the figures in Alto Adige (Südtirol) are correct at all. As of today 36 cases in Germany can be traced back to holidaymakers from exactly that region: https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/coronavirus-mehr-als-150-neue-faelle-in-deutschland-insgesamt-ueber-400-lufthansa-streicht-mehr-als-7000-fluege-69089326.bild.html###wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2F&wt_t=1583495532572###wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bild.de%2Fnews%2Finland%2Fnews-inland%2Fcoronavirus-mehr-als-150-neue-faelle-in-deutschland-insgesamt-ueber-400-lufthansa-streicht-mehr-als-7000-fluege-69089326.bild.html&wt_t=1583495532772 Therefore all Italian figures should be reviewed.Geggo (talk) 12:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And that's not Wikipedia's job. We report the official data. --Ritchie92 (talk) 12:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Crimea marked as Russia? It is part of Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.150.82.31 (talk) 20:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lombard lockdown

Though it's not announced yet by the looks - seems like the red zone will be expanded to encompass the entirety of Lombardy (e.g. Bloomberg report) - maybe a fork is warranted? Locking down something of this scale would be unprecedented if Hubei wasn't locked down earlier. Juxlos (talk) 20:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also reported in the Corriere della Sera but why fork? Aa77zz (talk) 21:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Following the example of the 2020 Hubei lockdowns - there has already been multiple distinct English-language full-length articles regarding life in the 11 locked down municipalities (60,000 people) [1] [2]; surely a quarter of Italy being cut off from the outside world warrants an article in itself. Maybe 2020 Northern Italy lockdowns? Juxlos (talk) 21:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remember not to be a Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill article, it needs to contain interesting information and not something that is just short. Editoneer (talk) 08:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zanzibar and Kenya

Zanzibar has barred Italians from entering the country.

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/news/Zanzibar-now-bans-Italy-flights-as-coronavirus-fears-takes-toll/1840340-5482218-cyb1yv/index.html https://www.newtimes.co.rw/africa/zanzibar-bars-italian-tourists-over-covid-19-outbreak

Kenya halts flights from Italy https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Kenya-halts-flights-from-Italy-/1056-5477390-abd29uz/index.html

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C01:39C6:7A00:3CAF:947B:C654:B68B (talk) 09:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Section order

What about moving the Statistic and Reaction section (with lockdown areas) before the "Spread to other countries" section. This article I think should be more focused on Italy. Besides the Spread to other countries section is very large and the relevant infoemation on the numbers in Italy is far down in the page. Andremrys (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed case

Hello, why don't we add also the number of the current positive cases? Since I'm not familiar with infobox templates, could anyone add this information in it? the reference is the same (Italy's ministry of health) Thank you Jacopopitaciu (talk) 14:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Italy prison riots

Do you think that a new article about prison riots could be written? There are/were riots in 30 prisons in whole country, a least 10/12 deads, hundred of escapes. See also: Prison riot. --Holapaco77 (talk) 16:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020-03-10 PC bulletin

During today's press conference, the head of the PC specified that the given number did not include the complete update from Lombardy. If this update will be given later today, I propose that we should treat the situation exactly as we treated the that of 2020-02-26. --Checco (talk) 18:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The total for March 10 for Tuscany is incorrect. It fails to add yesterday's cases. Correct total should be 264. Thank you. 87.1.74.32 (talk) 07:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC) ALison Taylor-Brown[reply]

Source for this? --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that was my mistake, it was added to the daily cases but not in the total. Now I correct it. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spread to other countries

Please update the map to include Canada. A case was found in Kitchener, Ontario. 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:9C8E:F7E8:ABD3:89FB (talk) 07:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


-> Is it of any significance having in this list countries like Singapore, whose 136th case was travelling form Italy, or Canada, as the previous user asked? It is a pandemic and in too many countries of this list the spread/development of the outbreak was not firstly linked to Italy. Wouldn't it be better to have just first reported cases? Otherwise for reasons of consistency all other national pages of the coronavirus pandemic should have a detailed list with all the known cases that were reported spreading to other countries. Which, at this point, might be an effort that does not make much sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.150.89 (talk) 10:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly disagree with only the first reported case being listed. There may be instances where the first known cases had a different origin, recovered/died, and only a new infection traced to another origin started local transmission/reopened the coronavirus issue in the country, such as Sri Lanka, where the first and only case had long recovered when the new case linked to Italy was discovered. It may also be the case that patient zero, linked to Italy, was successfully isolated and recovered, before a new case with a separate link started local transmission and was really responsible for the ‘spread’ in the country. Additionally, there may also be new cases, imported from a country and not linked to previous cases, that is more significant than others. For example, patient 31 in South Korea (of course this was not linked to Italy but it was also not the first few cases). Every imported case brings a new link (as opposed to local transmission) which is noteworthy. I agree that this should be done for other countries as well (already done for the Islamic Republic of Iran I believe and should be done at the minimum for France and Spain (many cases in countries with colonial ties), as well as for the US and China (large number of visitors)).
Side note: the title could (should in my opinion) be changed to ‘countries with cases linked to Italy’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.202.55.78 (talk) 06:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The section "Spread to other countries" makes a list of links between italian cluster and other national clusters suggesting the theory (I wouldn't call a fact) that the other national clusters listed are originated from italian one.
Apart I guess (I'm not a virologist neither a medic) we should find first some sources like phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes to support this theory, this theory could have strong arguments when the first discovered patient in a country is connected with italian cluster according the sources, like for example in Algeria (and still it can be possible the first discovered wasn't the first case in that country, for a map of diffusion of this pandemic we should rely on more scientific sources), but for sure the link doesn't make sense for countries like Singapore, as noticed by the user above, or Oman or other in the list.
This section is well sourced, but I think was innacurate for the purpose to create a map of diffusion of the pandemic and the spreading from Italy. At the moment, it could be an original research. For this reason, I put a template dubious linked to this section hoping some editor expert about this kind of scientific topics can edit this section in a better way. Nanae (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a possible solution might be to change the section title to "linked cases in other countries" or similar, avoiding the word "spread" because it's unsourced. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The section should be updated in that case as many countries report cases linked to Italy (the page was recently protected)
Lebanon - https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/03/11/lebanon-grapples-novel-coronavirus
Saudi Arabia - https://www.arabnews.com/node/1641471/saudi-arabia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.26 (talk) 14:10, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Guatemala - https://www.prensalibre.com/guatemala/comunitario/coronavirus-alejandro-giammattei-confirma-el-primer-caso-de-covid-19-en-guatemala/
Uruguay - https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-uruguay/uruguay-announces-first-four-confirmed-cases-of-coronavirus-ministry-idUSE6N29R033
Centrafrique - https://www.radiondekeluka.org/actualites/sante/35266-rca-un-premier-cas-confirme-de-coronavirus-en-centrafrique.html
Seychelles - https://actu.orange.mg/coronavirus-deux-premiers-cas-confirmes-aux-seychelles/
Taiwan - https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/NCdOSVe417pAWayT3ffH_Q?typeid=158 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.26 (talk) 13:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New cases per day graph

The numbers in the graph related to the new cases per day are not correct. It seems they are showing the total of new cases+deaths+recovered per day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.183.106.165 (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it shows the number of new cases for that day. What you are referring to is the number of new "active" cases which is new_active = new_all - new_dead - new_recovered . --Ritchie92 (talk) 15:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But then each one that is recovered has to be considered a new case. It seems strange? 37.183.106.165 (talk) 20:26, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a simplified formula, but let me give you a simple example:
  • day 1: 5 total cases;
Total cases is 5; total active cases is also 5.
  • day 2: +10 total cases, +3 recoveries, +1 deaths;
Total cases is 15, variation of total cases is indeed 10; total active cases is 15 - 3 - 1 = 11, i.e. variation of active cases is 11 - 5 = 6.
So new_active (6) = new_all (10) - new_dead (1) - new_recovered (3), as I said above. --Ritchie92 (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that the problem of that formula is that you consider new cases what you define as "new_all". But that should be called just "all" because it contains also the new_recovered that are definitely not new cases. Clearly new cases can be discovered as alive or already dead, but for sure not recovered. Then, if we define new cases only the ones that we discover in that exact day how would you analyse a situation in which at day 0 we have no cases, at day 1 we discover one case and at day 2 this case is recovered? I am thinking that from data available is not possible to know how many new effective cases we discover (because we do not know if the new deaths were already known or not) and in this case maybe it could be better to change the axis name in the graph and call it "Total variation" or "Active cases variation".37.183.106.165 (talk) 01:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That new total or new all is the number that is also given in every other country, in China, as in South Korea, etc. So I don't see why it should be changed here. Of course if we had access to every single detail of each patient we could do all types of analyses, but for the sake of clarity and simplicity, I think that showing the "difference between the total infected cases" is the most significant (and it's what appears everywhere else). We could of course add a plot showing the "active cases" on each day, but this cannot be compared with the data of other countries, and I don't really see the use of it. Instead, it would be more interesting to show the total data for intensive care or hospitalized patients: this is indeed a number that matters for the development of the crisis. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Italy ordered a nationwide closure of all restaurants and bars, as well as most stores, add?

X1\ (talk) 05:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy&diff=prev&oldid=945167357 TripleShortOfACycle (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cases and lethality by age

Could anyone please add https://www.ilpost.it/2020/03/11/rapporto-istituto-superiore-sanita-coronavirus-italia, taking Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/South Korea medical cases as a model? Ain92 (talk) 17:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC) P.S. OK, did it myself. Ain92 (talk) 21:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Correlated to the preceeding topic created by @Ain92:, I've added to the external links the desktop verison of the open data which daily updated by the Italian Protezione Civile. The same website has also a nobile version.
The web page indicates the geographical distribution of the Coronavirus which is disaggregated at a regional and a provincial level. However, we don't have the detail of the single healthcare facilities (in Italian w:it:Azienda Sanitaria Locale) and, more specifically, of the maximum number of Intensive care units available in each one of them.
It seems to be also that we don't have any other demographic official (and open) data about the age distribution of the victims and of the other people affected by the infection. Hope this helps.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 09:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Even though I see the interest in this kind of data, I am not sure it should be where it is now, because it's completely different in terms of method, purpose and type of data from the rest of the table. The data is (1) partial, (2) old, (3) analyzed by ISS in a non-daily report (I have no idea about when they will publish a new one, so it cannot be kept up-to-date). Therefore if one compares the data in the age table with the other general one, one immediately finds inconsistencies for the number of total cases, deaths, etc. So I would move it to a new page and locate it in a different section of the article, if you agree. --Ritchie92 (talk) 10:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've already removed the word "Current" from the table I had removed it, but anyway. I suggest it can be moved to another article (Italy medical cases per age, for example), so then one is free to put it later in another section or subsection of the main article, if needed. And it also serves for separating the two things for ease of editing and maintenance.
As for the updated data, I think it's better always to refer to official sources, I am not sure about the tweet you reported. --Ritchie92 (talk) 14:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject COVID-19

I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --Another Believer (Talk) 17:43, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cuban assistance

Cuban, Venezuelan, and Chinese doctors are in Italy to assist with the treatment of the coronavirus (as their drug Interferon helps with it apparently https://www.entornointeligente.com/coronavirus-updates-cuba-sends-doctors-to-italy/ https://www.farodiroma.it/coronavirus-in-arrivo-medici-da-cuba-venezuela-e-cina/ this source says Lombardy solicited their assistance https://www.dw.com/es/coronavirus-minuto-a-minuto-lombard%C3%ADa-pide-m%C3%A9dicos-a-cuba-venezuela-y-china-15032020/a-52776715

Also Peru confirmed cases imported from Italy https://rpp.pe/peru/actualidad/coronavirus-en-peru-minuto-a-minuto-43-casos-de-covid-19-y-gobierno-suspende-la-recepcion-de-cruceros-a-puertos-del-pais-live-163 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.26 (talk) 20:15, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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