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Songs by Thai band Scrubb in "Original soundtrack" subsection
Good day!
I would like to ask about the inclusion of the list of songs by Thai band Scrubb in the Original soundtrack subsection. Just my opinion, but I think the inclusion of such list is not necessary in the said subsection if the songs are not considered part of the drama's soundtrack songs or if the songs are not part of the drama's original soundtrack album (e.g. 2gether: The Series (Original Soundtrack), if such exists); and information about the Scrubb songs can be included as additional information (e.g. a paragraph to discuss the topic on the use/adaptation of the songs in the drama).
I would like to hear your opinions about this. Thank you!
—Nairb.Idi9 (talk)
Hi Nairb.Idi9! I'm the one currently working on bringing these Thai articles to English WP aside from contributing several Philippine articles. Re: soundtracks, it does acknowledge these kind of songs but it is not part of the "official" soundtrack. As stated on it's own article:
Popular songs featured in a film or television series are instead highlighted and referenced in the credits, not as part of a "soundtrack".
I can only find a few articles so far on how it can still be presented for example in Slumdog Millionaire: Music from the Motion Picture § Track listing where music included in the film but not part of the soundtrack is indicated as Not in the soundtrack and another example from our very own Ang Probinsyano § Soundtrack where it does include featured songs but distinguishes it from the OST. It can still be included but it should be properly distinguished. That's my take. Reference can also be made using the episodes where it was used or if we're able to find any (Thai) articles about Scrubb music being used. Chiming in here also Pyro_z who's helping me out on this effort. — Emperork (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Formatting of Thai drama articles as paralleled to Korean drama articles
@Emperork: Hello again! I would like to discuss about another topic, and I decided it should be placed in another subsection in this talk page.
I have been editing a number of articles about South Korean television dramas in recent months, and I observed patterns that the editors of these articles apply in editing and formatting. How about if these forms of style/formatting are applied in articles about Thai television dramas? I have applied them in editing the articles for The Gifted, The Gifted: Graduation, 2gether: The Series, Who Are You and The Shipper. I would like to hear your opinions about this. Thank you!
—Nairb.Idi9 (talk)
Short descriptions: "(year) (nationality) television series" (e.g. 2020 South Korean television series, 2020 Thai television series)
Genre of the series need not be placed in short description and lead section; they are simply indicated in the infobox.
Lead section contains: (1) Title of drama (International/English title; local title written in the country's script and romanization, plus its literal meaning if different from international title); (2) Main cast; (3) Short synopsis in one sentence; (4) Director, plus the production company/staff and process; (5) Channels/mediums and broadcast dates and times (in KST for K-drama and ICT for T-drama); (6) Ratings, critical reception, and accolades, if any
Inclusion of official soundtrack album (tracklist, infobox, album art)
Thanks for the ping. I don't see a problem in applying a consistent form across the range of articles, but I'll note that the suggestion gives quite a bit more detail than stipulated by Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television; it should still be okay to have slight deviations from this format as long as it complies with the MOS. Looking at some of the articles, the only style choice that I'd question is mentioning the actors' nicknames in brackets. While nicknames are very commonly used in the Thai showbiz, and would be perfectly fine to use on a fansite, I think it would be more appropriate for the encyclopaedic tone of Wikipedia to just use the formal format of given name and surname. (I realise this was previously discussed at Talk:GMMTV. Maybe it would be best to find a more centralised venue for further discussion?) The greatest challenge, though, will be to adequately develop the production and reception sections, since such in-depth coverage can be hard to come by for some productions, and might not have been written up on the Thai Wikipedia, if you're primarily translating from there. I usually rely on a combination of news coverage (secondary sources) and the studio's promotional material (primary sources). The TV specials that some shows have can be very useful (hopefully they'll have subtitles). --Paul_012 (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback @Paul 012:! My primary reason on why there was a need to include the artist's nicknames on these kind of articles as discussed in Talk:GMMTV was to help audience outside of Thailand on identifying the said artists. Initially, there might be a confusion as to why they use another name other than their real name or consider it as their screen name. I tried to also check WP:MOSTHAI but I am not able to find any item about nicknames. Maybe yes, we can open this up there to get a more broader consensus? Re: OST album cover as suggested by @Nairb.Idi9:, it's discouraged per MOS:TVPRODUCTION and considered "extraneous" so the track list and other details like artist(s), romanized title and reference should suffice. Waiting also for feedback from @Prem4826: and @Pyro z: — Emperork (talk) 03:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Article title
Somehow I just noticed the article title. "2gether: The Series (Thai TV series)" is rather redundant. Normally the subtitle is included to provide precision, but since in this case it's not precise enough, I think we should just drop the subtitle (The Series) and have the article at 2gether (Thai TV series). --Paul_012 (talk) 19:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Paul 012: The series is marketed by GMMTV as 2gether: The Series, so that should be considered as the series' official title. —Nairb.Idi9 (talk)
Upon starting this article way back December 2019, I did find out that there was also a television series named 2gether: The Series, an American sitcom so I included (Thai TV series) to disambiguate it further. The series, as mentioned by Nairb.Idi9, is also marketed by GMMTV to the international audience with the same name. — Emperork (talk) 05:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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