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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Manys (talk | contribs) at 03:55, 1 August 2020 (→Bias and libelous information). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Article seems overly positive

This article seems overly positive. It reads like a PR piece for the man. For example, [REDACTED unsourced derogatory allegations against this living person].

Nor does it mention that the witness he tampered with [REDACTED unsourced derogatory information about this living person] Instead, there's a lot of fluff about the schools he funded and the buildings named after him (and his wife!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.137.123 (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If two principals attend a meeting...

accompanied by aides or associates, the two principals met. If an article in a reliable source says they met, no matter who else was in the room as aides, rewriting this sourced material is inappropriate. As is edit-warring. Please respond here, with a policy-based reason for the reversions. Gleaning the intentions of the editors (either of the reliable source, or of the wiki-editor) is foolish and outside of the norms here. Focus on the edit, not the editor. David in DC (talk) 10:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


I concur with David in DC in that the newspaper article appears to indicate that Mayor Wilda Diaz met with Charles Kushner. I am writing to the newspaper reporter and mayor's office to ascertain whether this is inaccurate, but until presented with evidence to the contrary, I stand by the assertion that they met. What is the source of knowledge that allows XLR8TION to state they did not meet?

AmboyBeacon (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bias and libelous information

Please refrain from construing information found in articles to paint Mayor Diaz in a negative light. I don't know Ms. Diaz, don't live in Perth Amboy, nor will vote for her , however as an editor who maintains Puerto Rican-related articles, I won't tolerate her article being used as a billboard of hatred and lies. Remember anything you post can be liable should Mayor Diaz decide to sue for slander. Read the article carefully, as Ms. Diaz met with the Kushner Companies, and NOT MR. Kushner alone. I am sure there were more people at that meeting as any publicity of a face to face, personal meeting between Ms. Diaz and Mr. Kushner would not paint her in a positive light. She is not an idiot to risk an investigation by state or federal prosecutors on having personal meetings closed to others, especially as her role as mayor. I will remove any information that is considered libelous from the article and will report any editor who fails to conform to Wikipedia's NPOV when editing an article. It's obvious one editor on this site has a zealous hatred for Ms. Diaz.--XLR8TION (talk) 01:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are violating the wikipedia policy against making legal threats.David in DC (talk) 02:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good heavens! Here's the quote from the article:

Representatives from Kushner Companies presented the new design plans to the Perth Amboy Redevelopment Agency last month to generate discussion. The city is in discussions with Kushner on the overall plan. Nothing has been approved. The revised plans are the result of meetings with the city officials to get the waterfront project back on track. “This is an opportunity to have a redesign Perth Amboy is proud of, that reflects the city’s historical significance,” Mayor Wilda Diaz said. Diaz said she was particularly interested in saving two buildings — the former city courthouse on Fayette Street that is more than 100 years old and the Naval building off Smith Street. “It’s a shame to knock down historic sites if we can save it,” Diaz said. “Too many sites have been torn down. Let’s restore them and use them for other purposes.” Diaz said the interior of the courthouse is in poor condition, but the exterior is not. She said the building has a historical significance in the community and she wants to preserve that. “You have to be creative about preserving it and make it useful,” said Helga Van Eckert, director of the city’s office of economic/community development and redevelopment, urban enterprise and Business Improvement District. “It’s a proactive approach to development.” Diaz said company president Charles Kushner, chairman of Kushner Companies who got a chance to tour both buildings, sketched a concept for the courthouse that was incorporated into the redesign.

I've bolded the portions upon which the wikipedia article relies.
The article now says, in deference to your bizzare hypersensitivity to non-existent derogatory implications about Mayor Diaz

In September 2011, Perth Amboy Mayor Wilda Diaz met with Mr. Kushner and officials from his company, The Kushner Companies, after which she endorsed a scaled-back design concept for the "Landings at Harborside," a proposed residential development set to be built along the city's waterfront. The updated plan allowed for subsidized "Section 8" housing rentals instead of requiring the owner-occupied units originally planned.

Please take a deep breath, try to find your happy place, and move on. There were substantial WP:BLP problems with this article, as to Mr. Kushner. There were none as to Mayor Diaz. Now there are none as to either. David in DC (talk) 02:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The editor who has been spewing nothing but b.s. on Mayor Diaz's article apparently is not well-knowledged on ethics laws. A personal one to one meeting between Kushner and Mayor Diaz would result in a red flag, especially by state and federal prosecutors. That's how the former mayor of Hoboken Peter Cammarano was busted by the FBI. Does anyone think that Mayor Diaz would request a private audience with Kushner, especially with his criminal past? Politicians learn from the mistakes of other polictians, and Mayor Diaz would have members of the city's counsel and other members of her staff present to abide by ethics rules. The other editor seems to have a personal vendetta against Mayor Diaz and continues to construe the facts. I will change the facts and report the info in a NPOV as always.--XLR8TION (talk) 03:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It seems you're not quite so opposed to inference when it comes to guessing Mayor Diaz' motivations and states of mind, not to mention accusations of bad faith in others for not adopting your assumptions, calling them "facts" with no more support than the POVs you decry. Manys (talk) 03:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The facts ARE in the reference given

"Representatives from Kushner Companies presented the new design plans to the Perth Amboy Redevelopment Agency last month to generate discussion. The city is in discussions with Kushner on the overall plan. Nothing has been approved. The revised plans are the result of meetings with the city officials to get the waterfront project back on track. “This is an opportunity to have a redesign Perth Amboy is proud of, that reflects the city’s historical significance,” Mayor Wilda Diaz said."

In what sense are these facts "not in citation given"? David in DC (talk) 10:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other than as the source for an after-the-fact comment, I see no mention ot Mayor Diaz in that quote or any other indication she or Kushner participated in the meeting. Ergo, the assertion "Perth Amboy Mayor Wilda Diaz met with Kushner and officials from his company" is not in the citation given. Fat&Happy (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And the next sentence "Diaz said company president Charles Kushner, chairman of Kushner Companies who got a chance to tour both buildings, sketched a concept for the courthouse that was incorporated into the redesign." doesn't convince you either? We're dealing here with puposeful contortion worthy of Rose Mary Woods. David in DC (talk) 16:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any contortion occurring her is on the part of those trying to twist reported facts to support their preconceived notions. The article does not state Diaz was at any meeting. The article does not state Kushner was at any meeting. To say they were at a meeting together is not even synthsis, which at least requires statements to have been supported by some cited source; it's pure fabrication out of thin air. Fat&Happy (talk) 17:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BLP Noticeboard inquiry made

I've asked BLP-savvy editors to review the disputes here. Please let's all stop editing this until we hear from them. David in DC (talk) 11:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Charles Kushner meeting with Mayor Wilda Diaz confirmed

Helga Van Eckert, director of the city’s office of economic/community development and redevelopment, urban enterprise and Business Improvement District; and Perth Amboy Redevelopment Agency attorney Joseph Maraziti have both confirmed that Mayor Wilda Diaz and Charles Kushner met personally during the extensive conference between city officials and representatives from the development company. It occurs to me that this information may be trivial in the larger context, but for the sake of defending against unwarranted accusations of 'hate' and defamation, I want to set the record straight.

Mayor Wilda Diaz and Charles Kushner met personally during the extensive conference between city officials and representatives from the development company. 68.46.70.19 (talk) 02:30, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another unsupported assertion

The cited source does not mention Section 8. Perhaps Perth Amboy is so poverty-stricken that all rental housing in the city is subsidized under Section 8, but even if that were the case, applying the description to a yet-to-be-built project would be synthesis. The description needs to be either sourced or removed. Fat&Happy (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced derogatory information about a living person must be deleted, quick-like-a-bunny. For other facts, the schedule is much less exacting. A cite request tag that's been around for a year or two is a problem. One that's been around for a day or two is not. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. It's written entirely by volunteers, on volunteer time. Outside of BLP violations, patent nonsense, vandalism, and things that are demonstrably false, please give editors enough time to look for citations. Mindless deletionism is no less destructive to the project than mindless inclusionism. David in DC (talk) 18:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What about the felony conviction?

I was reading some news articles about some supposed infighting within Donald Trump's transition team, including how supposedly Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, was behind Chris Christie being pushed out. This apparently was due to Christie, while he was the New Jersey Attorney General, having prosecuted Jared's dad, Charles. According to this BBC report on the matter, "Like Mr Trump's father Fred, also a property mogul, Kushner senior was a controversial figure. He was jailed for tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions and witness tampering. He admitted setting up his own brother-in-law with a prostitute, secretly filming the liaison, and sending the tape to his sister in an effort to dissuade them from testifying against him. The man who prosecuted Kushner senior was former New Jersey attorney general and 2016 Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie. Jared Kushner is reported to have been involved in counselling his father-in-law to choose Mike Pence as his running mate, over Mr Christie."

Intriguing stuff, no? So I popped by to see what Wikipedia has about this and found....nada, squat, and diddly. What's up with that? -BC aka 209.6.92.99 (talk) 13:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Kushners came to America not from Poland

According to Tamara Vershitskaya (the creator and director of the Jewish Resistance Museum in Navahrudak, Belarus) the Kushners came to America NOT from Poland in 1949, but from Belarus in 1945. Joseph Berkovich (he had changed his last name before leaving for America and taken his wife's last name) and his family had their house in the center of the town of Navahrudak. The town was under Poland till 1939, since then it was under USSR, now under Belarus. The Kushners had their own business in Navahrudak — they sewed hats and fur coats. — Ramanuki (talk) 08:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I thought "silly season" was over, my bad.

How should the lede sentence read? --Malerooster (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keithbob did a nice rewrite it seems. Does the lede need a citation for using the term "philanthropist"? --Malerooster (talk) 02:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it does, because there is no evidence that he is known as a philanthropist. He was originally a relatively obscure real estate developer focusing on rentals in the suburbs, who became known for a spectacular criminal case (including blackmail of relatives) which resulted in him being sent to prison. He owes his notability mainly to that case. Even if he has made a few political/religious donations, that doesn't make him primarily a philanthropist. --Tataral (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. We can use this. Usually we don't put citations in the lede since they are covered in the body of the article but no biggie. --Malerooster (talk) 13:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Family Section

Why did you revert the actual names of his two daughters...it should include them instead of the generic placeholder there. Falazar (talk) 02:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Falazar: They are not notable, and so their is no need to include them. Furthermore they were unsourced. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Emir of Wikipedia: I believe at least the one as, as 2 of the other kids have taken over the Kushner company businesses.

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/news/a9244/charles-jared-kushner-family/ Wont waste much more time on this, but doing some basic writing on Jared, these links would have been helpful.Falazar (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Falazar: If one has taken over the family business then that is an issue for that article and not here. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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