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Blurry photos in infoboxes
I have noticed a bunch of Yankees related biographical articles have had there infobox photos changed out to blurry screenshots from YES Network press conferences. Examples are this version of Buck Showalter and Mike Ford (baseball), where the infobox photo was updated to an image of him that is more recent and front facing, but in my opinion is far less descriptive and clear as the previous image. I think that while newer is ideal preferable, a clearer image is far more important and that in general having a headshot is not particularly important for athlete infoboxes. I have already started changing some of them back but I'd like to also build a consensus. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- If those photos are just screen captures off of the TV broadcasts I would think they would have copyright issues and should be deleted anyway. But yea those are terrible photos, if another one is available i'd use that Spanneraol (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't appear to be COPYVIO, the YouTube link it's pulled from is the official channel for the network and has a CC release statement in the summary. For the Mike Ford, one, at least, it does. Hog Farm Bacon 20:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Copyright or not, they look terrible and aren't better than a clear shot. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- @GPL93: In case you haven't already seen: Wikipedia’s Best Worst NBA Photos Are Modern Art.—Bagumba (talk) 05:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Copyright or not, they look terrible and aren't better than a clear shot. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't appear to be COPYVIO, the YouTube link it's pulled from is the official channel for the network and has a CC release statement in the summary. For the Mike Ford, one, at least, it does. Hog Farm Bacon 20:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Correct target of link at Ed Coleman (radio personality)
The above article includes this sentence:
Coleman's duties were expanded to being host of Mets Extra (and later a fill-in play-by-play) when former host Howie Rose was hired to do play-by-play for the Mets and the Islanders games on SportsChannel New York.
SportsChannel New York is a wikilink, however I'm not sure what its target should be. Either MSG Plus or SportsChannel. The page SportsChannel New York currently redirects to the former, for what it's worth. Which one should I use? --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 12:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- MSG_Plus#SportsChannel_New_York is probably most appropriate. The "SportsChannel" article is about the umbrella "brand" of regional networks whereas the MSG Plus was the NY regional version, SportsChannel New York. only (talk) 12:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Sounds right, thanks. --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 12:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Howie Williamson
I was recently contacted by Fugitiveartist, the granddaughter of Howie Williamson, who offered to help expand the article. I've tried to explain our verifiability and original research policies, but beyond that I'd appreciate it if a more experienced content worker was able to chime in with advice that will probably be more helpful than mine. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Tom Seaver article data correction in career statistics section
Hello and good day. Go to career statistics, line where it has his Hits per 9 innings stat. Change 7.84 to 7.47. Source: Baseball Reference pitching leaderboards: hits per 9 innings pitched. Seaver is #39.(round to three figures, 7.47). Thank you for your time.2601:581:8402:1EE0:D945:D5B4:306D:41AC (talk) 02:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I have corrected it. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 02:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
1919 Detroit Stars
I created an article this week on the 1919 Detroit Stars season. However, I found the Template:Infobox baseball season yearly a bit confusing, and it's kind of messed up. If anyone here is familiar with the workings of the template, I would appreciate help in fixing the layout in the 1919 Stars article. Thanks, Cbl62 (talk) 03:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Opening sentence of season articles
The season article style guide (Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/MLB team season articles format) does not specify a standard for the opening sentence. I'm not suggesting we must have one, as one size does not necessarily fit all, but I thought I'd get some feedback on some alternatives and see what's working well and what could be improved. My starting point was noticing that many such articles don't meet Manual of Style guideines for the first sentence (MOS:BOLDAVOID etc.), so I am intending to fix some of these.
- 2008 Philadelphia Phillies season is a Good Article and begins "The Philadelphia Phillies' 2008 season was the 126th in the history of the franchise."
- For 2014 New York Mets season, I went with "The 2014 season was the 53rd season in the history of the New York Mets."
- I was also considering "The 2014 season was the 53rd season in the history of the New York Mets." (adds an extra link)
Interested to hear what others think about what links to include and how it is phrased. --Jameboy (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- I would definitely be in favor of using the wording in the Phillies article that you cited. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think most of the current articles start similarly to the Phillies article... but I don't know if they all have to be exactly the same. Spanneraol (talk) 18:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
My requirements are follow MOS:BOLDAVOID and provide links to the team article and the respective MLB season. In the above Mets example, "2014 season" is MOS:EGGy and should be expanded to 2014 Major League Baseball season.—Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
World Series articles game narratives expansions
The following World Series articles individual game narratives (all or most) can be expanded. They are 1909, 1910, 1915, 1917, 1920, 1934 and 1944 World Series. Have a good day.2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 14:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Editing Baseball infoboxes
How does one edit the infoboxes for the Wild Card Game articles? I'm trying to add in 2020 American League Wild Card Series & 2020 National League Wild Card Series to the infoboxes at 2019 American League Wild Card Game & 2019 National League Wild Card Game articles. GoodDay (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Based on a quick look of the code of the Wild Card Game infobox, it looks like the 2020 games will automatically be added if it finds the existence of
2020 American League Wild Card Series2020 American League Wild Card Game or2020 National League Wild Card Series2020 National League Wild Card Game articles. The problem is the playoff format for 2020 will be different, and thus the article names will need to be different as well. We may need to either change the code or create a redirect from those redlinks to the true article names. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 16:11, 16 September 2020 (UTC) note: I've edited my original comment to correct a typo Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 04:58, 21 September 2020 (UTC)- You were correct. I've just created the two articles 2020 American League Wild Card Series & 2020 National League Wild Card Series, with accompanying re-directs. GoodDay (talk) 16:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've also created 2020 American League Division Series, 2020 National League Division Series, 2020 American League Championship Series & 2020 National League Championship Series articles, which have been re-directed to the 2020 Major League Baseball season article, for now. GoodDay (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is the playoff format for 2020 will be different, and thus the article names will need to be different as well.
: Won't the playoffs still unchanged at a high level with wild card, division, and league championship series?[1]—Bagumba (talk) 04:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)- At a high level it's significantly different, with sixteen teams in the playoffs instead of ten, and all of them playing in a multiple-game wild card series rather than just a single wild card game between two wild card teams. From the infobox point of view, it assumes the link to the analogous page for the previous season / next season has a specific format for the name, "year league Wild Card Game", which breaks down for 2020 as the page name is changing. isaacl (talk) 04:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I overlooked the wild card game vs "series" naming. Division and LCS names remain the same.—Bagumba (talk) 04:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- At a high level it's significantly different, with sixteen teams in the playoffs instead of ten, and all of them playing in a multiple-game wild card series rather than just a single wild card game between two wild card teams. From the infobox point of view, it assumes the link to the analogous page for the previous season / next season has a specific format for the name, "year league Wild Card Game", which breaks down for 2020 as the page name is changing. isaacl (talk) 04:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- The template could be modified to allow an overriding page to be specified for the next season / previous season, as is done with {{Infobox MLB yearly}} (I implemented it that way to handle franchise moves). isaacl (talk) 04:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Vancouver Canadians or Same Team, Different League
A fairly new user has split the Vancouver Canadians into two articles: Vancouver Canadians (the current Northwest League franchise) and Vancouver Canadians (PCL) (a team that preceded it in the Pacific Coast League). Succinctly, the PCL team relocated to Sacramento, and a NWL team was acquired and relocated to continue as the Canadians. I’m of the opinion that they are the same team and should be merged back to Vancouver Canadians.
I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to see if we are still of the same consensus. We may see more of this in the coming months with the likelihood that several MiLB teams may change classifications and/or leagues, this would be a good discussion to point back to when handling those changes. (I’m also temporarily with out a desktop internet connection, so I can’t perform the reverts myself very easily.) NatureBoyMD (talk) 02:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- If I'm understanding correctly, the current franchise is a completely different organization that just shares the same team name as the previous one? In that case I feel the two separate organizations should have separate pages. isaacl (talk) 04:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Unless there is an announcement that the new Canadians franchise is inheriting all records, history, etc from the relocated franchise, a la the Charlotte Hornets inheriting the Charlotte history from the New Orleans Pelicans franchise or the Cleveland Browns inheriting their Cleveland history from the Baltimore Ravens franchise, I think they should be treated as two distinct teams. However, I am not clear on what the consensus is for maintaining articles for previous iterations of minor league baseball teams that have relocated - I think makes more sense for the PCL team's article title to be renamed to in accordance with their new Sacramento name and for it to preserve the team's history from Vancouver, rather than forking the history into a separate article. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 05:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Help another editor?
Hi. This editor needs help. He thinks it is a fine idea to (use tools to) revert proper updates to infoboxes of baseball stats. As he did here. I asked why he did that. He thinks a ref is needed with each update. Can someone set him straight before I lose it? Thanks. --2604:2000:E010:1100:B1D8:2CA1:6CE6:78E8 (talk) 06:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)