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"Assassination" vs. "killing"

This has come up before at Talk:Anwar al-Awlaki/Archive 2#Assasination vs Targeted Killing and Talk:Anwar al-Awlaki/Archive 3#Referring to killing as assassination and it seems to have been a rough consensus in favor of keeping "assassination" as 1. the terminology preferred by a number of news outlets (both left and right) and 2. expanding the section about discussion surrounding the legality of killing al-Awlaki. However, the latter discussion wrapped up over six years ago, and I wanted to revisit it after making this revert. I still find the arguments persuasive for the use of "assassination" (politically motivated killing without a trial) and the articles linked in the previous discussion are still a justification for mirroring the use of "assassination". The page Targeted killing also uses the term "assassination" quite frequently. The purpose of this post is to examine if a change to the consensus is warranted.-Ich (talk) 19:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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egregiously biased claims, false footnotes

Al-Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen to be targeted and killed by a U.S. drone strike without the rights of due process being afforded.[12][13] President Barack Obama ordered the strike which was effectively ordering the execution of a U.S. citizen without a trial.[14]
  • Neither {12} nor {13} contain any reference to legal implications.
  • {14} does not report that the strike amounted to an extrajudicial execution of a United States citizen without trial. It says that administration lawyers had a "wrenching legal debate" about the decision to strike and that the ACLU lost a lawsuit attempting to challenge it. That is all it says about legal issues.

I realize that whoever made these terrible edits genuinely believes that the strike was an illegal extra-judicial execution violating due process, and that this is extremely obvious, and they can point to any number of Guardian op-eds or whatever to support that view; but that's a highly politicized and legally doubtful view, although it is certainly a significant view represented in reliable sources. In fact it is not at all clear what level of due process a person targeted for killing as an enemy combatant is entitled to (it may be quite minimal) and it is not at all clear that the killing was "extra-judicial" because killings during armed conflict by lawful combatants complying with IHL are by definition not "extra-judicial."

The article body is more honest although it still gives WP:UNDUE weight to the ACLU, New York Times editorial board, etc.

According to U.S. government officials, as well as being a senior recruiter and motivator, he was centrally involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda,[7][8][9][10][11] but have not released evidence that could support this statement.[11]

Obviously it is true that he was a senior recruiter and motivator, even though the article phrases this confusingly as if it might be in doubt. And in fact there is a lot of public evidence of his operational role, some of which was released by the US government. There are text messages where he is working out the details of how to blow up an airplane, an Inspire article about operations bylined by AQAP's "Head of Foreign Operations" that appears to be obliquely signed by Awlaki, and the word of arrested terrorist foot soldiers Abdulmutallab and Minh Quang Pham.

I'll try to come back and fix this all later unless somebody objects. I'm pretty appalled that it's been right at the top of the article for years. 74.12.134.40 (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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