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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Aldrin0000 (talk | contribs) at 11:31, 26 September 2020 (→‎Supporting Countries: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Lukashenko or a Russian marionette?

https://www.ardmediathek.de/daserste/video/presseclub/skrupelloser-nachbar-der-schwierige-umgang-mit-putins-russland/das-erste/Y3JpZDovL3dkci5kZS9CZWl0cmFnLTg4NTQ1M2I5LTkwYmUtNGY1Mi1iMzM0LTRiM2YyODQ5ZWJiYw/ Xx236 (talk) 06:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No an American puppet!--92.74.235.54 (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? "No, an American puppet!" ? Xx236 (talk) 07:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My text has been removed by a user, who does not edit pages about Eastern Europe. Please explain me what is a linkspam? ARD is German public TV. If you are able to prove that the ARD is unreliable, please do it. BTW the opinion is obvious, repaeted by thousands. Russia controls Belarus militarly, economically, politically, culturally. [1] [2] [3] [4]Xx236 (talk) 06:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your text is nothing to add to the article, merely dumping a URL link with no context to how it will improve the article. As you said, you have hardly discovered the Watergate scandal here, the article already has 18 mentions of the word "Putin" and 183 of the word "Russia" so I don't know what exactly you're trying to prove apart from using this talk page as a Twitter feed to share links you like. WP:NOTFORUM But whatever, keep it, life's too short. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If life is too short, why do you discsuss about Belarus? It is not your life. Xx236 (talk) 07:32, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I mean life's too short for me to argue about whether you're using this page as a forum, something that's not novel for you. Your source was reliable, but you didn't give any indication you were sharing it to improve the article, especially as the links between Lukashenko and Russia are already rightly mentioned numerous times in far better context than dumping a link on its own. I request an admin to close this section before it derails any further. Unknown Temptation (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Persons falsely accused of torture

One person, not persons. The story does not seem notable.Xx236 (talk) 10:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I removed it altogether. It's just an isolated incident, an honest mistake. Taurus Littrow (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of social distancing

I think it is highly irresponsible not to warn readers that these protesters have been protesting DURING A PANDEMIC even wilfully attempting to break the social distance barriers.

Wikipedia shouldn't be issuing health warnings, but it can report on what reliable sources have said about the incidents. Bear in mind that Belarus did not shut down due to COVID, due to Lukashenko's beliefs [5] Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The pandemic and its effects on the spread of the virus should definitely be mentioned, as they are relevant. Not in a way that advocates anything to the reader, but in a purely informative way, as is done in the Bulgarian protest article and other recent protest-related pages. Goodposts (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weeks

For some reason the parts of the article split by weeks are counted from Sunday not Monday. In Belarus, the first day of the week is Monday, so this needs to be changed. CrasherX (talk) 13:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The protests began on Sunday. Taurus Littrow (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

“largest protests since Lukashenko became President”

Just like I stated on the German talk page (without responses): The introduction claims that the lemma was “the largest series of anti-government protests in Belarus since Alexander Lukashenko became President of the Republic of Belarus in 1994”. That is certainly true, but why the limitation? During Soviet times, were there ever as many people on the streets as today? Since there is no citation for the current claim anyway, isn’t it just as safe to say that these are the largest [anti-government] protests in the history of Belarus? -- Gohnarch 12:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not as safe. A weaker claim has more chance of being true than a stronger claim. There's also the fuzzy question of how you define Belarus over the past few centuries, assuming that the claim is about a proportion of the population rather than absolute numbers. Boud (talk) 01:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting Countries

May I add another country relate to this article? Aldrin0000 (talk) 11:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]