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Requested move 6 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved per WP:COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure). Xain36 {talk} 13:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Kingdom of Italy under Fascism (1922–1943) → Fascist Italy (1922–1943) – "Fascist Italy" is the common name for this regime and is even used to refer to it in the introduction of this article. 2601:CE:C180:6B45:DD1F:F08E:924F:F191 (talk) 23:17, 6 February 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash (talk) 09:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 3 March 2020

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move buidhe 05:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Fascist Italy (1922–1943) → Kingdom of Italy under Fascism – This article is a sub-article of Kingdom of Italy. It is a period in the history of the kingdom. The terms Nazi Germany and Weimar Republic are mutually exclusive in English, but Fascist Italy and Kingdom of Italy are overlapping (like a Venn diagram). The proposed title better reflects that. Srnec (talk) 23:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per COMMONNAME and previous RM. I don't really follow the relevance of the nom's argument. So what that this was a period technically part of the Kingdom of Italy? It was a very different style of government during this time that merits a separate article, and that specific government is usually referred to as just "Fascist Italy". SnowFire (talk) 01:24, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note, however, that Fascist Italy is a disambiguation page, and this period already does have a separate article from the one about the Italian Social Republic. This RM is not proposing to change any of that, but rather to just use WP:NATURAL disambiguation. The previous RM had only one mention of the possibility of removing "(1922–1943)" from the title, and it had very limited participation and a non-admin closure. Two out of the three people commenting on the proposed move were not really expressing support for it, so I don't understand the declaration of a consensus for that move. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree that the previous RM counts as only a weak reason to keep for stability, but to be clear, I don't think this should be moved on the merits either, hence leading with COMMONNAME and mentioning the previous RM afterward. I'm a huge fan of natural disambiguation and removing needless parentheses, but not at the cost of using the "wrong" name. Technically it was the Kingdom of Italy in this period, sure, but it's usually called Mussolini's Italy or Fascist Italy or the like in sources. SnowFire (talk) 02:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent edits

Dear IP,

not it is not a state article, as concluded in several pages already.(KIENGIR (talk) 11:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Which "several pages" are those? -- 177.207.54.96 (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
E.g. World War II in Yugoslavia, and articles with related WWII topics.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC))[reply]
Could you please show a discussion in World War II in Yugoslavia which supports your claim? -- 177.158.117.125 (talk) 23:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First an editor started to change links to this article, but after it has been reverted by another user, hence we restored original links in the affected articles.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC))[reply]
I don't understand what you're saying, again, could you please show a discussion in World War II in Yugoslavia which supports your claim? -- 191.34.233.149 (talk) 19:03, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So, some users started to replace links to this article, and after it was undone, hence no discussion is necessary, they were restored by status quo ante.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
So you are saying that your edits on the article are actually the status quo ante? -- 187.58.89.110 (talk) 21:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as I noticed in other articles the mass change, and after it was started to be restored, I did it also in a few articles.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
I'm still not understanding very well what you're saying, are you saying that your edits are the status quo ante? If so, well you will have to provide proof. -- 179.183.231.78 (talk) 22:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So, again some editors started to replace Kingdom of Italy to this article, regarding average links and flags, and after a while it became undone. For proof, just check the article mentioned in the top, it has been changed in 9 August, and after restored.(KIENGIR (talk) 00:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
Ah I see what you're saying, an IP changed the links on the infobox to this page and then you reverted it, OK, but how does this support your position? Is there at least any discussion on a talk page regarding this? -- 177.207.146.84 (talk) 23:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The status quo ante principle, e.g., I did not check entirely any possible earlier discussion.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
Well, Category:Fascist states has been added to the page on 1 September 2018, and the page was created back in 2017, so it seems that the previous version is the status quo. -- 177.207.61.7 (talk) 00:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then I could say as well earlier the page did not have that category...pages are continously improving in WP, with mistakes as well on and on, that we correct.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
The category was in the page for far more time than it wasn't tough, to be honest, you don't seem to have anything to support your edits, at least so far. -- 177.19.87.206 (talk) 23:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You cited now the status quo. Yes I do, explained in more aspects.(KIENGIR (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
No, so far you don't, for instance you were claiming that your edits were the status quo but as I showed, they aren't. -- 191.34.184.197 (talk) 22:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As I pointed out what you showed is not decisive, since I showed that what you showed in that form is as well not that then.(KIENGIR (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC))[reply]
I'm not understanding what you're saying, again, you were saying that your edits were the status quo, but as I mentioned, Category:Fascist states was on this page for a long time, frankly, if you can't make a case for your edits I will have to revert them. -- 191.34.234.118 (talk) 23:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conservative elites

Hello, thanks for the extensive article. I wonder about the role of pre-Fascist elites and their role in Fascist Italy. E.g., except the Church, conservative circles, nobility, monarchists. In my understanding, these elites still had a significant role after 1922/1925, while in NS Germany they have been sidelined in a very early phase. I would love someone to expand the article about this topic. Ziko (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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