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Requested move 22 October 2020

It has been proposed in this section that 2020 Lekki shooting be renamed and moved to Lekki incident.

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Lekki massacre → Lekki incident – It just happened 2 days ago. It's far from definitive what happened. Massacre is a really big word right now. TheGroninger (talk) 21:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The reliable sources all seem to be stating that 12 protestors were killed by gunfire. Are you arguing that that isn't true, or that it isn't a massacre? ST47 (talk) 00:05, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move to 2020 Lekki shooting: the 2020 needs to be there per WP:NCEVENTS. The BBC, Reuters, Associated Press, CNN, and Al Jazeera sources in the article call it a shooting. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 02:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vote to keep as is: Ordinarily, I wouldn't oppose renaming it "The Lekki incident" and creating a Lekki massacre redirect. I must point out, however, that "the Lekki massacre" and "the Lekki toll gate massacre" are what a lot of us Nigerians are using on social media.

Also, the word massacre is kind of like genocide... There really is no consensus about how many deaths are required for it to qualify as a massacre. In my opinion, a good yardstick is the Saint Valentine's Day massacre. In that incident, seven people were killed, yet it is universally referred to as a massacre.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 07:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the need for this argument. Peaceful and unarmed protesters were shot at, IT WAS A MASSACRE. Donzama (talk) 08:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Very unnecessary argument. What happened in lekki on 20/10/2020 was a massacre (the unnecessary, indiscriminate killing of a large number of human beings). As at the last update there were 80+ casualties (dead, hospitalized and missing). Oyaks (talk) 09:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

of course it is a massacre. I only hope Wikipedia does not play to government agents and allies trying to downplay that brazen show of shame that took place that night in front of thousands of Nigerians. Below is the dictionary.com meaning of a massacre; “noun. the unnecessary, indiscriminate killing of a large number of human beings or animals, as in barbarous warfare or persecution or for revenge or plunder. a general slaughter, as of persons or animals.” so again, I ask was it not a massacre? Oneboygreen (talk) 10:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vote to keep as is: Peaceful protests were shot at. This is a fact. People died as a result. That is a fact too. Ambulances were denied access by the military, which has also been reported in the media. So I'll vote to keep it as 'massacre', which is what it is. Igwatala (talk) 10:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For the fact that soldiers barricaded and shot a set of peaceful protesters in order to shoot, kill and traumatise, the word massacre should be retained. Using a light term like incident is an insult to the lives lost, the number of hearts traumatised. The title is also widely acknowledged already and that's what Wikipedia is about. Opatachibueze (talk) 10:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre should be retained

For the fact that soldiers barricaded a set of peaceful people in order to shoot, kill and traumatise, the word massacre should be retained. It is also what people already recognise it as. Titling it an incident is an undermining of the lives lost and the wounded hearts. Opatachibueze (talk) 10:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]