Talk:LGBT culture in New York City

Thanks for making this

WhisperToMe Thanks for putting this together. I have tried to connect with many of the LGBT organizations in the city by having conversations face to face with the most achivist-minded person I could find there. Perhaps I have had 30 minute conversations with 10 organizations. I have been unable to find a point of contact with anyone who would bite to do more. Here in NYC we have a Wikipedia community which meets at least monthly, WP:Meetup/NYC, but none of us really have capacity to make a partnership happen for any organization that is not ready to give something back. They all would love to have us volunteer to use their material, but none want to talk about free licensing. I really regret how many photos and documents are going to be lost even thought many are collected and there are oral history recordings. This article is a great start for collecting what exists. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: - You're welcome! I'm hoping that this page will not only increase the understanding of the NYC LGBT community but also lead to possible considerations of re-licensing for free use. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:19, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2016 updates

Castncoot has been updating this article.

• The last stable version was in July 2016
• Here is the article as of now
• Here is the diff
• Here is the first stable version of the article when WhisperToMe established it in September 2014

I am posting here to note the changes and to express my view that at a glance, the changes appear to be positive development of the article aligned with good Wikipedia editing practices. If anyone else has comments then please share. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Content from other articles

Castncoot imported some content. Here is one edit

• import of content from LGBT Pride March (New York City)

Other content for which I do not see attribution includes parts of the police raid of the Stonewall Riots and sections on Greenwich Village.

Wikipedia prefers to prevent WP:Forks of content. Castncoot, can you say something about how you decided how much content to copy here? My preference would be to keep summaries of events short and send people to main articles for more details. Subsections which link to main articles sometimes copy the lead of the linked articles, or even just a few sentences of the lead. Right now there is more content here.

I am not criticizing this because I see the article still developing, but I would like to prevent having too much of the same content in multiple places as the article develops. Also, any content copied from else should ideally have clear attribution as happened in the example above. Some of the other text in this article might not have that right now. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Moves and merges

Stickee You just moved things around. Please make sure this talk page remains attached to the live article. Currently it is behind a redirect. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:43, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2016

LGBT culture in New York City → LGBTQ culture in New York City – The Q is described within the article (was, before it kept getting deleted) and in the official City government source.[1] This isn't meant to redefine the terminology used in any of the other LGBT-themed articles, just to be consistent with the terminology often used in New York City, as the article deals with a very specifically local issue. The Q is strictly meant to be additive and inclusive, not restrictive or compulsive. Castncoot (talk) 20:02, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose capitalizing Culture. Dicklyon (talk) 00:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing that typo to my attention. I shall fix that to rmv the capital "C" from "Culture" in this edit. Castncoot (talk) 01:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Done. Castncoot (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The vast majority of reliable sources on the topic use the current title. For example, some NYC related sources:
  • Museum of the City of New York [2] - " Underground Culture in New York... Peeling back the layers of New York’s LGBT life that thrived..."'
  • PFLAG NYC [3] - "...cultural and multicultural events and activities to LGBT people..."
  • The Village Voice [4] - "...attended by hundreds of LGBT seniors and their supporters..."
  • The Atlantic's CityLab [5] - "Mapping Where LGBT History Unfolded in New York"
  • The New York Times [6] - "L.G.B.T. leaders reflect on the obstacles the community..."
  • Official NY Tourist Website (on ILNY, run by New York Department of Economic Development) [7] - "LGBT community centers are a great..."
  • New York Public Library [8] - "pivotal LGBT artists and cultural figures such as..."

I also find it unusual the proposer of this RM says the City of NY uses LGBTQ. It really doesn't. Here's a small example of departments of the City of NY:

• New York City Council [9] - "The LGBT Caucus of the New York City Council seeks..."
• NYPD Community Affairs Bureau [10] - "Fostering positive relations between the LGBT community..."
• New York City Comptroller [11] - "valuable potential in the LGBT community"

Evidently, LGBT is the appropriate name as per COMMONNAME and the sources. Stickee (talk) 04:24, 18 September 2016 (UTC)