Talk:45th Canadian federal election

PPC in infobox

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My understanding from discussions on other election pages is that parties are listed in election infoboxes if they hold seats going into the election, or if they hold no seats but earned at least 5% of the popular vote in the previous election. The People's Party have never been elected to a seat and earned just under 5% (4.94% according to our article) in 2021. Should they be included? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Several iterations of the discussion can be found in the page archives, linked in the box at the top. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 18:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

There is no rule. However, neutrality in Wikipedia requires articles to provide the same coverage to topics as reliable sources do. (WP:BALASPS). All major media have decided to include the PPC, which is why the article for the last election did and was copied over to this one. If major mainstream media decide to drop the PPC from future summaries, we can consider removing it.-- unsigned comment by TFD (talk)

Agreed, we essentially decided to follow the decision at Talk:2021 Canadian federal election. Since then there have been many discussions that can be found in the archives here. There was also a more recent discussion at Talk:2021 Canadian federal election which then was then closed so that an RfC on the elections and referendums project could proceed. We have decided against strict adherence to the WP:5%R, and to include the PPC here (at least before the 45th election takes place). I don't think anything stops us from reconsidering this once we have results of the next election and know how the PPC have preformed in that contest.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's a link to the CBC Federal Election results for 2021.[1] It lists six parties plus "Other." All other major mainstream media did the same thing.

This article lists the six parties because that is what reliable sources did. If they change, then this article should also change.

This article should not give more or less prominence to any party than reliable sources do.

I don't see why some editors want to create a unique standard for this article. Not only is it against policy, but it takes up considerable discussion. TFD (talk) 20:35, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it does. Let's close yet again on this ode to Sisyphus. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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Candidates article

The PPC and Conservatives have both started nominating candidates. Is it time to create a candidates article? The new riding boundaries will require some changes in the regions used for larger provinces. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 23:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Not just any candidates, but the CPC appears to be naming some strong star candidates. I too have wondered whether it is time for a candidate article to be made. TRJP89 (talk) 00:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

There would a serious POV issue because you would then have to put in all candidates to the degree they were covered in the media. TFD (talk) 02:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Saying it's a POV thing is ludicrous. These articles list ALL known candidates/nomination contestants in tabular format. That's it, that's all. If media coverage mattered, most minor party candidates wouldn't be listed at all. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 04:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you think that you could use descriptions of other editors' arguments using terms a tad less dismissive than "ludicrous?" It's not collegial.

TRJP89 wrote, "the CPC appears to be naming some strong star candidates." My concern was that the proposed article would emphasize them. I see however from TRPJ's response that was not the intention. TFD (talk) 13:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

There would be if it only included the candidates of a certain party but there are usually lists of candidates for each riding by province. I only used the CPC star candidates of late as an example. There is currently one for the next UK election with candidates added when they are nominated. TRJP89 (talk) 19:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with your example; my response was to the reply. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 20:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd be all for organizing a candidate list, especially as it would be logically impossible for an early election with the old ridings. The new ridings are basically guaranteed to be used, and sooner is better than later for it to be set up. CJJ400 (talk) 02:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

The new list is locked in in April, so we could probably wait until then and mimic previous elections, where the Candidates of X election page becomes the Results by riding page after the election takes place. The nominations database at Elections Canada is a decent source for people who haven't had media announced.

These articles usually put candidates in normal text and nomination contestants in italics; independents get treated as declared candidates. Once parties put up candidate pages, those outrank any other source. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 04:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Candidates of the 45th Canadian federal election

Oh! I made this in the meantime actually, I honestly didn’t want to wait all the way until April when even more candidates could be Announced, it’s not updated to the new riding names yet, but it has the proper incumbents CJJ400 (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Blanchet's infobox image

Is there a way to crop the BQ leader's image, so he's closer to the viewer? GoodDay (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@GoodDay Check now, does it look better? PascalHD (talk) 17:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. GoodDay (talk) 17:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Too much on electoral redistribution?

I personally find the tables and map on the redistribution, and the 2021 election results mapped on to the new ridings, quite interesting. But is it a bit too much for this article? The current prose seems fine, but perhaps these tables and/or the map should be folded into 2022 Canadian federal electoral redistribution (which of course readers are being invited to see as the "main article" on this). Thoughts?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, though a simple estimate table (2021/transposed) might be reasonable. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I think it's fine, I basically just copied what they're doing over at Next United Kingdom general election#Electoral system, and that one is even longer than what we have here, just goes over the redistribution, shows transposed results, then directs to the main page for more depth. In terms of the redistributed results, have a draft Work in Progess right now to just make the actual riding by riding redistributed results its own page, since the redistribution page is long enough as it is without the transposed numbers. WanukeX (talk) 20:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources for Opinion Polling

I don't see any being provided (the graphic is just being updated without any further information). Can we improve the way this is being conducted at the moment? Kristwanderer (talk) 13:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The sources are in the related article Opinion polling for the 45th Canadian federal_election. The table there was previously part of this article but was moved there to save space. I agree the sourcing should be here too though.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)