Talk:Cheese

Top cheese consumers

Top cheese consumers - 2008 (kilograms per person per year)

This table is inconsistent with its source: http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.php?s1=dff-fcil&s2=world-monde&s3=consglo&page=tc-ft

there are countries missing, and even the first country in the list (Greece) has the wrong value. I am going to fix the table, to reflect its indicated source.--98.14.86.159 (talk) 23:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)--Aeural (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

sorting the third table about consumption

the third table should have sorted content instead of being sortable. I was trying to do it but table markup is a lot to learn for such a small thing. i think that making the table sortable was probably a stopgap by someone else and that is appreciated but it would be best if the three tables were formatted the same way with and in descending order.

Aformalevent (talk) 06:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Aged cheeses and lactose.

The article states, without reference, "Nevertheless, people with severe lactose intolerance should avoid eating dairy cheese." This is a misconception. Aged cheeses have trace amounts of lactose, and some have none, and can be well tolerated by lactose intolerant persons. I propose that the sentence should read: "Most lactose intolerant persons can tolerate aged cheeses, since these cheeses have only trace amounts of lactose." The amount of lactose in any cheese is easily found in the USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference. The carbohydrate amount listed is the amount of lactose, since that is the only type of sugar in milk, and therefore, in cheese. One ounce of brie, for example, has 0.13 grams of lactose, which is nearly zero.

This is the link for the analysis of brie from the USDA Nutrient Database: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogsx5 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

about world cheese consumption table

the article that mentions world cheese consumption for 2009 no longer exists so,i think that we should put back the 2008 statistics (or 2006 was before? i don't remember) (until we find another source). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krem12 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 74.130.32.78, 5 April 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Can someone please specify the different type of cheeses? For example, Blue Cheese (Rosenborg, ect), Havarti (Dofino, Maytag, ect). Thanks! 74.130.32.78 (talk) 22:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe List of cheeses. Materialscientist (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Historical Innaccuracy: Turkic Tribes Possibly Inventing Cheese

This article claims that Turkic tribes were possibly responsible for being the first to make cheese, but this is severely anachronistic. The Turkic peoples were only coming about as a collection of tribes in the first several centuries B.C. Cheese, of course, is much older than that (especially if one considers how later in the article it is said cheese is depicted by the Egyptians in 2000 B.C.)

It is possible that Asiatic nomadic tribes were the first, but this is different than "Turkic" and should be changed or removed.

96.56.4.26 (talk) 17:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism should be removed

I think the phrase 'ur dick smells like cheese' should be removed. I cannot do this, and user Fyrael has deleted my previous request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ModusPwnd (talk • contribs) 18:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Already reverted. Materialscientist (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The phrase "ur dick smells like cheese" is still there as of 6-2-2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.67.133 (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

.. because you see some cached page (also, sometimes the refreshing is delayed for unlogged users). I've tried to purge here, and you can try to refresh your page. Materialscientist (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Asia

This section is really weak and probably violates NPOV. If you're going to bring up lactose intolerance it would be fair to at least bring up both tofu and stinky tofu. Stinky tofu fills the same culinary niche as cheese in Taiwan. Not all Asians eschew dairy, however. Get it right. (Besides, what cheese article would be complete without linking to Japanese chiizu?) 98.180.8.57 (talk) 05:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Additional citations

Why, what, where, and how does this article need additional citations for verification? Hyacinth (talk) 04:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Feta (Greek cheese)

Some more extended edits, or adding a section about Feta (cheese) in article, It would be more constructive by own. -Aperitis25 (talk) 18:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Invention v. Discovery

It seems more likely that cheese was discovered rather than invented. Stories about Arab boys "inventing" cheese seem apocryphal to me. Hunters and gatherers consumed virtually every part of the kill including, for example, marrow, brains, internal organs. It is unlikely these ancients would have wasted the stomach contents either. If a young mammal was killed, it would very likely have had curds in its stomach. This seems a more likely source of the first cheese--discovered in the stomachs of game and only recreated later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay37064 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Any reliable reference for this? Materialscientist (talk) 23:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

There are many references to hunters and gatherers such as the Sami, eating "the partially digested stomach contents of reindeer, which they had killed." (http://www.utexas.edu/courses/sami/diehtu/siida/hunting/jonsa.htm). If the killed animal had been nursing, curds would definitely have been present in the stomach contents. Those curds would have been eaten. Was that not the first cheese? That seems a more likely route to cheese than waiting tens of thousands of years for some nomad to use an animal skin to transport fresh milk... Most ancient foods were discovered (bread, wine, beer) from natural processes and man later learned how to duplicate those processes. Jay37064 (talk) 11:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Materialscientist's point is that Wikipedia policy requires that we base articles directly on reliable sources, not our own inferences, however sensible. Can you find solid sources for this theory? --Macrakis (talk) 12:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Hunters and Gatherers notes that the "Stomach contents and organs were eaten fresh." Given that young mammals consume milk and the stomachs of mammals produce rennin, the stomach contents of young mammals would have contained cheese curds, and we are assured by experts that hunters and gatherers ate the stomach contents. Thus, the first cheese would have likely come from naturally occurring curds. In any case, the source cited in the original article is a foodie blog with no source citations... The whole original history seems nonsensical. A stomach wouldn't be a good choice for a storage container because it is thick and watery and would rot rather quickly. Skin and certain other organs (bladder) are another matter, but don't contain rennin...Jay37064 (talk) 20:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Lactose section needs serious work

The lactose section sounds more like a preach than anything containing valuable information. Do lactose intolerant people really need to be told to avoid eating cheese? I'd rather read a short synopsis of a) what is lactose,and 2) what are the physiological causes for lactose intolerance. I realize there is a whole other article on that topic, but this section is silly and needs to be fleshed out with serious information rather than worthless preaching. Wikipedia should strive for a higher level of information. Cheese is far too important to reduce the topic to silly, inane, empty ramblings. --MarioSmario (talk) 21:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)