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On 20 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Insurgency, militancy and terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir. The result of the discussion was not moved.

March 2023

Oriental Aristocrat, the sources you’ve added themselves do not demonstrate that “Kashmir intifada” is a significant alternative name for the subject of this article, i.e. the insurgency which has been ongoing since 1989. Of the sources you’ve added for intifada, the first says in the introduction that it employs the term for “the summer of 2010”, referring to the 2010 unrest: “It is these images of naked courage that allowed people in Kashmir to tremulously make a connection with the long and heroic resistance of the people of Palestine. And refer to the summer of 2010 as their intifada”.^[1] Sumantra Bose calls the 1990–95 militancy “the intifada phase,” and calls the 1999–2002 period as “the fidayeen phase.”^[2] That doesn’t make “Kashmir fidayeen” an alternative name for the subject of this article. In the wire article, Jha refers to the peak militancy of 1990–95 as the “first ‘Intifada’”, and the 2016 unrest as the second. And the Watali memoir hardly trumps scholarship. Such cherrypicking of sources is misrepresentation. The term here on this article was added by an account that was blocked for sock-puppetry about a month after the edit. Ideally it should have been reverted then. UnpetitproleX (talk) 18:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted it. I have also removed the section about India Pak cross border fire, as that was not related to the article. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I’ve added do demonstrate that “Kashmir intifada” is a significant alternative name for the subject of this article, i.e. the insurgency which has been ongoing since 1989. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that the sources have referred to the insurgency as 'Kashmir intifada' from time to time since it's beginning. Further, as the term has been on the article for five long years (2017-2022) without a debate on its presence until someone removed it without a valid argument, it should remain in the article given the longstanding history. Unless of course, if you can come up with reliable sources that say 'Kashmir Insurgency' has never been referred as the 'Kashmir Intifada'. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 19:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all the top search results that are returned in a google search for kashmir intifada are related to the Watali memoir. That is the primary usage of the name. We can add it to the article on such a day that the term returns result to the insurgency more than it does to the book. Until then, no. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Google Search results are never a good gauge as the search results are skewed and tailored to each user's own search history and preferences. The search result that comes up on your screen cannot triumph the sources already provided. 'Kashmir Intifada' is a significant alternate name and should be mentioned in the article lead. During speech at the United Nations General Assembly on 21 September 2016, Nawaz Sharif, former prime minister of Pakistan, described Burhan Wani as a "young leader" who had emerged as a symbol of the latest "Kashmiri Intifada".^[3] Ameen Akbar (talk) 10:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nawaz Sharif is as reliable a source for “intifada” as an Indian Prime Minister would be for “terrorism,” which is what they all call the insurgency. That doesn’t mean we add “Kashmir terrorism” as an alternate name. UnpetitproleX (talk) 00:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not about Nawaz Sharif or Modi. It's about coverage of Intifada. If there is coverage, we can mention this in the page. Ameen Akbar (talk) 17:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The term "Kashmir Intifada" accurately captures the nature of the ongoing conflict in Jammu and Kashmir, as it highlights the grassroots and popular nature of the movement, which has been driven by Kashmiri aspirations for self-determination and independence. While the term "Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir" may be technically accurate, it fails to capture the full complexity of the conflict and may be seen as overly militaristic or one-sided. The sources provided are sufficient in supporting the use of the term 'Kashmir Intifada', as they present solid evidence and are credible in terms.Ainty Painty (talk) 14:18, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books India. 2011. ISBN 9780143416470.
^ Bose, Sumantra (2009). Kashmir: Roots of Conflict, Paths to Peace. Harvard University Press. p. 107. ISBN 9780674028555.
^ Rajghatta, Chidanand (22 September 2016). "At UN, Sharif talks of 'Intifada' in J&K, India says Pak 'in complete denial'". The Times of India. Retrieved 22 September 2016.

Figures

Angana P. Chatterji cites the ngo ‘estimate’ of 70,000–90,000 in her article to her submission to a congressional hearing in 2019 where she says (p. 14) that ngos estimate “between 50,000 and 70,000 people have reportedly died since 1989,” cited in turn to page one of the 2006 HRW report which says “at least twenty thousand Kashmiri civilians have been killed (Kashmiri groups say that the number is much higher)” and that “tens of thousands have been injured,” and to a 2012 guardian article which says “some estimates” place the number of dead “at 70,000.” The latter estimate of 70,000 includes all casualties, combatant and civilian. @Kautilya3: shouldn’t we be careful when placing casualties in the lead? In the casualties section of this article are mentioned two estimates, 80,000 attributed to Hurriyat, 70,000 of JKCCS. Both these are also for casualties overall (civilian, militant and army). UnpetitproleX (talk) 11:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April

Some content was added as well as deleted without sufficient reasoning. Kindly discuss changes likely to be controvertial before implementing them. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 20:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Each edit carries a summary explaining the edit. Not every edit needs discussion beforehand. Please explain your objection to each of the edit instead of going around making outright revert of multiple edits. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly take out some time to read WP:ONUS, WP:BRD. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 20:56, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. UnpetitproleX first removed a casualty figure that was reportedly stated by human rights groups saying "passing mention in a pakistani newspaper not reliable enough for lead". What does that even mean? Is The Express Tribune not a reliable source because it's a Pakistani newspaper or it's not reliable enough for the lead but reliable enough for the body of the article? UnpetitproleX then reverted multiple edits, removing the casualty figure (from a WP: SECONDARY source) that was attributed to Angana P. Chatterji who again points to non-governmental sources (NGOs). After UnpetitproleX had made a self-revert due to 1RR violation, you appear here to make the revert. Interestingly, it was your first edit on this article. Following which neither you nor UnpetitproleX pointed any issue regarding the casualty figures added, in the discussion above. That is why, the figure was added back to maintain WP:BALANCE and WP:NPOV as the lead currently mentions only the official figure from a WP:PRIMARY source.

2. The 'Cultural changes' sub-section title isn't required in the 'History' section that otherwise carries sub-sections on the timeline of the subject.

3. Either "non-Muslim minority Kashmiri Pandits" or "minority Kashmiri Hindus" should be written as opposed to "non-Muslim minority Kashmiri Hindus" which is a redundant phrase.

4. Linking the Indo-Pak border skirmishes that are part of the larger Kashmir conflict and the 2008 Mumbai attack here is WP:UNDUE. We don't mention that Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 attacks everytime it's name comes up.

5. Major articles directly related to this topic were mentioned in the 'See also' section.

I hope this would suffice as a satisfactory & detailed explanation to the changes made. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 13:38, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does not suffice. Your explanations omit the fact that you have also removed material without mention, while inserting material supporting the insurgents. This is POV editing in its most obvious form. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:29, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What material are on about? Do you even read edit summaries? The only removal made was of a WP:OPINION piece reference. Also what material was added "supporting the insurgents". No such addition was made. Even then, if you have a problem with a certain part of the edit, only make a revert for that certain part instead of reverting multiple edits in one go. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you check the left column on "compare revisions", you can see what material was deleted. Till now no reason has been provided for it. And if material is too problematic to be repaired, it is best to throw it out and start again. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 05:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, what material are on about? Go ahead, mention it here. Also mention your version of the text you are okay with going into the article. Or is it that your only goal is to WP:CENSOR Wikipedia? You have still failed to provide any policy-based argument for reverting the five edits explained above. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 07:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books India. 2011. ISBN 9780143416470.

[2] Bose, Sumantra (2009). Kashmir: Roots of Conflict, Paths to Peace. Harvard University Press. p. 107. ISBN 9780674028555.

[3] Rajghatta, Chidanand (22 September 2016). "At UN, Sharif talks of 'Intifada' in J&K, India says Pak 'in complete denial'". The Times of India. Retrieved 22 September 2016.

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 :::::What material are on about? Do you even read edit summaries? The only removal made was of a [[WP:OPINION]] piece reference. Also what material was added "supporting the insurgents". No such addition was made. Even then, if you have a problem with a certain part of the edit, only make a revert for that certain part instead of reverting multiple edits in one go. [[User:Oriental Aristocrat|Oriental Aristocrat]] ([[User talk:Oriental Aristocrat|talk]]) 21:02, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 ::::::If you check the left column on "compare revisions", you can see what material was deleted. Till now no reason has been provided for it. And if material is too problematic to be repaired, it is best to throw it out and start again. [[User:CapnJackSp|Captain Jack Sparrow]] ([[User talk:CapnJackSp|talk]]) 05:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
+:::::::Again, what material are on about? Go ahead, mention it here. Also mention your version of the text you are okay with going into the article. Or is it that your only goal is to [[WP:CENSOR]] Wikipedia? You have still failed to provide any policy-based argument for reverting the five edits explained above. [[User:Oriental Aristocrat|Oriental Aristocrat]] ([[User talk:Oriental Aristocrat|talk]]) 07:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)