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Height Graphic

The chart showing the heights of the buildings is incorrect. It shows the Empire State Building being both taller than the 432 Park Avenue building and Trump Tower Chicago, and at 450m. In reality, the ESB is shorter than both of these buildings, and it doesn't even surpass the 400m mark, much less the 450m. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is because the ESB's official height is 381 meters, but it has an antenna that stretches to almost 450 meters, which isn't considered part of the building itself. Kestreltail (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pueblo Bonito

@Andre Carrotflower: I just wanted to let you know that I returned Pueblo Bonito to the article despite its construction being pre-1776. As the main article, United States, does briefly cover the ancestral pueblans in the pre-columbian history section, I think it can go here as well. However if you disagree I am willing to hear you out, and I'm open to changing my mind, thank you. (please ping on reply)

𝒬 𝔔 01:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC) P.S. Please allow a few days for replies, I can usually respond within the week.[reply]

Quantocius Quantotius, Thanks for readding the automatic row numbering. I'm hesitant to include Pueblo Bonito. Neither the source provided nor its article claims it to be the tallest structure until 1754; that seems to be inferred from the claim of being 6 stories, but we also know it collapsed at some point: this is original research. Its article even says "In parts of the village, the tiered structure was four and five stories high." It also says "The wall stood 97 feet (30 m) high." but without an in-line source. I don't know much else about this place, but the wall apparently built for defence does not necessarily fit the definition of a building. We need better referencing. Reywas92^Talk 02:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92: Thanks for your reply. I re-added it because it was there until last time I checked, and the reason for removal given was that it was not part of the US until 1848, since the article on the united states itself covered the regions pre-columbian history, my initial thought was to add it back pending discussion, I think it was to. I hadn't actually read through the sources in detail, but now having done so, I think you're correct,-we all know you are- the reference to the wall height does not verify the height of the tallest building in the complex, so it should be removed unless and until we can find better sourcing, good catch. Seeing as no one else has objected thus far I've been bold and removed it in it's entirety and think you have a good eye. It's still archived to page history so it won't be difficult to return to the table if better sources are found, I'm a bit short on time now, so I'll respond to your other stuff in a day or two , have a good one, and happy editing.

𝒬 𝔔 03:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Philadelphia#Timeline_of_tallest_buildings has Independence Hall as 134 ft from 1748 to 1754 (though Independence Hall doesn't mention what happened in 1748 since the clock (not sure about the clock tower) didn't go in until 1753). List_of_tallest_buildings_in_New_York_City#Timeline_of_tallest_buildings says the Collegiate Reformed Protestant Dutch Church had an unknown height from 1643. List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Boston#Timeline_of_tallest_buildings has two buildings pre-dating Christ Church (post-dating Pueblo Bonito's collapse), so this was kind of a failure to put Pueblo Bonito in as it was. And would Cahokia#Monks_Mound count? It's 30m (100 ft) too, so again we need better sources. Not opposed to it for not having been part of the US yet though. Reywas92^Talk 02:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92: Look just wanted to let you know, that I don't have time to do the research to extend the history list further back or dig into this articles references just yet as I'm focusing my limited time on other things at the moment. I did notice that it includes Phoenix Shot Tower which is a structure and not a building as it is not habitable and this list includes only tallest buildings not tallest buildings and structures, but I'm leaving it in for now so as to not leave a gap in the list. This is on my to do list for article fixes, so I will be back to overhaul this at some point. However, if you need any quick fixes or help with templates or tables, feel free to ping me, and I'll try and help the next time I log in. As a side note I don't think Esemono will be responding anytime soon given the lack of any recent edits, but you never know.

𝒬 𝔔 23:28, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Quantocius Quantotius: Hi, Quantocius, I just happened to stumble upon this list, because I was trying to figure out why there was a discrepancy between the "tallest in U.S." dates on the Park Street Church article on Wikipedia and those on the building's own website. It seems that the other article was edited to mirror the date span found in the list in this article, notwithstanding your (correct, I believe) intent to edit the list to remove the Baltimore Phoenix Shot Tower on the basis of it being an uninhabitable structure rather than a functional building. Your last comment was mere days before pandemic lockdowns began, so I am not surprised you never returned to this agenda item. Anyway, I thought it worth mentioning that other sources do claim Park Street Church as the tallest building-proper in the U.S. all the way through to 1846, and state Trinity Church (when topped off in 1846) as the replacement. This means that removing the Shot Tower from the chronological list should be rather easy, as there appears to be no other interim title-holder to add between Park Street and Trinity. Hopefully you will see this and agree, so that the other Wikipedia page can also be corrected to remove its confusing, conflicting, artificially-shortened (based on a definitionally-inaccurate premise) "tallest building" date span.2601:182:CE00:B650:CCD3:7400:3E8E:B163 (talk) 03:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:182:CE00:B650::/64 Thanks for bringing this back up. You are correct my time commitments changed a bit in early March, and I don't think I logged in again until the end of May so this kind of slipped through the cracks. My time for this is still fairly limited, and I have a few other things I'm working atm, but I'll go ahead in a bit here and comment that entry out as a sort of soft-removal until I have time to research this further. I do still plan to get back here and work on the referencing but the timeline for that is probably more on the order of months rather than weeks. That said if you have a spare hour or two and want to take a crack at it yourself feel free to do so. As for me I'm usually around for a bit at least once every week or two in recent months so if it's just a few small fixes you need help with go ahead and hit me with a ping and I'll see what I can do. (please ping on reply)

𝒬 𝔔 15:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, wtf Esemono? This has been in the article for over 7 years now with absolutely nothing verifying what it said. Reywas92^Talk 02:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Tables cannot be displayed in the Android app because of automatic couting

I like the idea of automatic counting in the table for the rank. However, the Template:Row numbers breaks content for mobile apps of Wikipedia (according to Pageview 2.5% of views for this page). This problem is known for over a year. Is anybody working on this problem? Are there alternatives to removing the template in this article? --Kallichore (talk) 20:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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