Talk:St Pancras railway station

Previous discussion archived off to /Naming and /2008 on 2008-09-29.

Archiving

Does anyone object if i move all of the naming discussions, including the current Queen's statement one, to a separate page? Simply south (talk) 15:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic. Yes, please do; I suspect even more of the page could be archived aswell (it's huge at the moment). —Sladen (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I think i have moved the correct ones, i hope. Is the page named correctly? I also hope i haven't deleted any by accident. Etc. Simply south (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Done the rest now aswell. Note at the top. Phew! —Sladen (talk) 19:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

It is likely the naming discussions are likely to continue though, that is why i suggest they occur in the Naming section, so if no objections i will reinstate the note. Simply south (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The disadvantage with sub-pages is that they are hard to find. Whilst WP:SB doesn't actually prevent the use of Talk: sub-pages for discussion, it's not encouraged. Largely on the basis of subpages being hard to find. I think it would be unfortunate if it was felt that a consensus had been reached on a subpage, only to find out that this understanding may have been because the discussion had not been found by editors ...who may have wished to contribute their views.

Whilst encouraging discussion to continue outside of the normal Talk: space might reduce the noise reassuringly; it would also lose the benefit of having a "watching glance" held over topics. Sweeping something under the carpet may turn out to be annoying later. Either the naming episode will die down (it seems to be), or as you note, if it's going to stick around—then it's probably useful to ensure it's easy to review and keep tabs on.

I think the secret in the future is to be more responsive with archiving, and/or to delegate to one of the archive bots to automatically do once a week after each topic has died down. —Sladen (talk) 20:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, the anniversary of the re-naming is fast approaching! best, Sunil060902 (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Freedom of information requests

I made some freedom of information requests about the name of the station:

• http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/st_pancras_official_name
• http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/st_pancras_official_name_2
• http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/st_pancras_official_name_3

So far the Department for Transport and London Borough of Camden have responded. They both say it is St Pancras International. I'm still waiting for a response from Transport for London. Edward (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Any reason why the article name should continue to not match the new name for the station? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 02:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"Mu". Loaded question. —Sladen (talk) 02:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Well it's primarily (though not entirely) because of you that this article has a different name from the station's official name! best, Sunil060902 (talk) 04:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd be surprised if they don't concur, since it appears as such on the Tube Map and the signage on the concourse linking KXSP with the mainline station. And we all know what HM the Queen called the station in her concluding remarks almost a year ago. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 22:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia generally prefers common names to official ones, and you can't always change common usage just by putting a new name on a sign, or even by getting the Queen to use it in a speech. David Arthur (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Define "common usage" without going WP:POV please. Whittlesford ----> Whittlesford Parkway is your other example of name-change from 2007. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 21:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME —Sladen (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

And the evidence of "common" usage is? Whittlesford ----> Whittlesford Parkway is your other example of name-change from 2007. You might also find Argumentum ad populum worth a peek. Sunil060902 (talk) 22:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Southeastern on Thameslink

In the section on Southeastern, it says that from December there will be a service running from Sevenoaks to Bedford. Can this be sauced? Simply south (talk) 00:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, exactly the same info exists on the Southeastern page! Sunil060902 (talk) 12:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I think March '09 seems to be the real date that Southeastern begin providing Thameslink type services:

• Thameslink Programme FAQ

best, Sunil060902 (talk) 13:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

To mark the Anniversary of the formal re-opening

HM The Queen's speech, 6th November 2007:

“ The remarkable re-birth of this great and gleaming station means that people across the whole of Britain, not just the south-east, are suddenly quite a bit closer to Europe. From now on, Sheffield is closer to Paris, Nottingham closer to Brussels. And as we look forward to the London Olympics in 2012, it is good to know that a journey from here to the new High Speed 1 station at Stratford will take spectators a mere seven minutes. All these things will bring real differences to people's lives.

My warmest congratulations go to everyone involved in this project, which is a wonderful illustration of what can be achieved through working in partnership, and it says a good deal about how we can take a twenty-first century approach whilst at the same time having due consideration of our heritage. Looking around me I am filled with hope that people of all backgrounds and ages, some of whom are not yet born, and most of whom we will never meet, will greatly benefit from the quality and the attention to detail which is at the heart of this significant undertaking; and will come to regard St. Pancras not just as a station but as a destination.

It gives me great pleasure to officially launch High Speed 1, Britain's first High Speed Railway and to re-open this magnificent station, St. Pancras International.[1]

”

best, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be useful if you could state: (a) what point/proposal you are trying to make; (b) how the above is relevant; (c) how it is different from the identical content that has archived off previously; (d) why (probably copyright-infringing) copying-and-pasting is needed instead of pasting a link. —Sladen (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

What is your problem? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 00:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

That you have failed state to "what point/proposal you are trying to make". —Sladen (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Just commemorating the re-opening. No Copyvio because the above is in quotes and, if you care to look carefully, a link is provided at the end of it. What axe do you have to grind? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)